Massive Financial blow to PKK

[Neptune]

@Keyxusraw So you rely on Germany. Is this the country that's been postponing Turkey's EU Candidate for years? Is this the same Germany that was a hater of Turkey for centuries?

You say PKK doesn't occur drug trafficking. So who were those 34 guys leaving from a PKK hideout. Yeah they were smugglers carrying cigarettes, drugs...etc. Do you know why the Air Force accidentaly identified them as "Terrorist Militants"? Because they were caught leaving from a PKK basement. And this was not from Turkish intel. the intel was from a USAF Reaper drone. You know what? I wish them a bad hell nightmare as bloody as their deaths by our Air Force.

And my friend this my first and last warning to you,

You can debate about PKK's drug trafficking. But it's stricky forbidden to supporting&convicting Terrorism in this forum.

 

[Keyxusraw]

@ Bismarck: That article is from 2008 and has no evidence as I already stated. My report is from the BfV ( German Intelligence Service) and is from 2012. Any questions?

@ Neptune: What evidence do you have that they were carrying drugs? What evidence do you have that they were leaving a PKK military base? All evidence ( read the reports) point to the fact that every single military base in the area knew that these people had to smuggle gasoline and tobacco in order to make a living. Even AKP's own report states this.

If people are so certain these 34 innocent Kurds were ''terrorists'' then let UN or an independant human rights group conduct a proper report on the matter. It has been over two years now and yet not a single honest and trustworthy report has been conducted by the turkish government. Go read IHD's report on the matter. You know what is even more silly? The police in the Sirnak area are constantly herassing the Encu family by arresting the young ones because they demand justice. They were even charged when they said no to money from the turkish state.

You wanna ban me? Go ahead. You are justifying the killing of 34 innocent people. You should ban yourself for supporting and justifying such act of state terrorism. I am not the one boldly claiming stuff or shouting slogans. I can back every single one of my statements up with true, trustworthy, neutral and proper sources and evidence. I wish you could do the same.

 

[BronzePlaque]

@ Bismarck: That article is from 2008 and has no evidence as I already stated. My report is from the BfV ( German Intelligence Service) and is from 2012. Any questions?

@ Neptune: What evidence do you have that they were carrying drugs? What evidence do you have that they were leaving a PKK military base? All evidence ( read the reports) point to the fact that every single military base in the area knew that these people had to smuggle gasoline and tobacco in order to make a living. Even AKP's own report states this.

If people are so certain these 34 innocent Kurds were ''terrorists'' then let UN or an independant human rights group conduct a proper report on the matter. It has been over two years now and yet not a single honest and trustworthy report has been conducted by the turkish government. Go read IHD's report on the matter. You know what is even more silly? The police in the Sirnak area are constantly herassing the Encu family by arresting the young ones because they demand justice. They were even charged when they said no to money from the turkish state.

You wanna ban me? Go ahead. You are justifying the killing of 34 innocent people. You should ban yourself for supporting and justifying such act of state terrorism. I am not the one boldly claiming stuff or shouting slogans. I can back every single one of my statements up with true, trustworthy, neutral and proper sources and evidence. I wish you could do the same.

French law enforcement estimates that the PKK smuggles 80 percent of the heroin in Paris.

Crime-Terror Alliances and the State: Ethnonationalist and Islamist ... - Lyubov Grigorova Mincheva, Ted Robert Gurr - Google Books page 64

http://epsilennyt.com/NYTContent/Test/Template33/Images/threadconvergorgancrime.pdf page 3

but you keep telling to yourself that those pkk low life terrorists have no connection to drug traffic bro...The world knows the truth, your opinion has no weight

 

[Keyxusraw]

French law enforcement estimates that the PKK smuggles 80 percent of the heroin in Paris.

Crime-Terror Alliances and the State: Ethnonationalist and Islamist ... - Lyubov Grigorova Mincheva, Ted Robert Gurr - Google Books page 64

http://epsilennyt.com/NYTContent/Test/Template33/Images/threadconvergorgancrime.pdf page 3

but you keep telling to yourself that those pkk low life terrorists have no connection to drug traffic bro...The world knows the truth, your opinion has no weight

Thank you. Funny though. It says PKK still operates drug trafficking in Germany. But I just showed you two very clear reports from BfV ( Internal Affairs German Intelligence Service) saying very clearly that PKK is not involved in drug trafficking. Your sources lack credibility. So I don't know... Should we trust a book that nobody has ever heard of and from which we do not know where it has its sources from, or should we simply trust Germany's own intelligence service telling us that PKK does not operate drugs trafficking?

Your second source is from the year 2000 which automatically deems it outdated given that both my reports are from 2011 and 2012; meaning very updated.

Nice try though.

 

[BronzePlaque]

Thank you. Funny though. It says PKK still operates drug trafficking in Germany. But I just showed you two very clear reports from BfV ( Internal Affairs German Intelligence Service) saying very clearly that PKK is not involved in drug trafficking. Your sources lack credibility. So I don't know... Should we trust a book that nobody has ever heard of and from which we do not know where it has its sources from, or should we simply trust Germany's own intelligence service telling us that PKK does not operate drugs trafficking?

Your second source is from the year 2000 which automatically deems it outdated given that both my reports are from 2011 and 2012; meaning very updated.

Nice try though.

Yeah i knew you would question the creditibility as you always do when it comes to sources which dont fit your agenda... But may be this one will open up your eyes;

Treasury Sanctions Supporters of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) Tied to Drug Trafficking in Europe

The U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) today announced the designation of Moldovan-based individuals Zeyneddin Geleri, Cerkez Akbulut (a.k.a. Cernit Murat), and Omer Boztepe as Specially Designated Narcotics Traffickers (SDNTs) for acting for or on behalf of the PKK Date : 2012

“Drug trafficking is one of the PKK’s most lucrative criminal activities and it uses the illicit proceeds to obtain weapons and materials,” OFAC said yesterday.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/u-s-names-europe-based-pkk-supporters-on-drug-sanctions-list.html

The PKK derives most of its financial resources from drug trafficking, which is reported to generate hundreds of millions of US dollars for the group..(This one is from Australian Government)

The PKK derives most of its financial resources from drug trafficking, which is reported to generate hundreds of millions of US dollars for the group

 

[-SINAN-]

Some earlier reports (2011, 2009) related to PKK's drug traffic by The U.S. Department of the Treasury

Treasury Designates Five Leaders of the Kongra-Gel as Specially Designated Narcotics Traffickers
Treasury Designates Three Leaders of the Kongra-Gel as Significant Foreign Narcotics Traffickers

 

[Jungibaaz]

OP nearly gave me a heart attack. I read the title as 'Massive financial blow to KPK.'

phew...

Good news then after all.

 

[Keyxusraw]

Yeah i knew you would question the creditibility as you always do when it comes to sources which dont fit your agenda... But may be this one will open up your eyes;

Treasury Sanctions Supporters of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) Tied to Drug Trafficking in Europe

The U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) today announced the designation of Moldovan-based individuals Zeyneddin Geleri, Cerkez Akbulut (a.k.a. Cernit Murat), and Omer Boztepe as Specially Designated Narcotics Traffickers (SDNTs) for acting for or on behalf of the PKK Date : 2012

“Drug trafficking is one of the PKK’s most lucrative criminal activities and it uses the illicit proceeds to obtain weapons and materials,” OFAC said yesterday.

U.S. Names Europe-Based PKK Supporters on Drug Sanctions List - Bloomberg

The PKK derives most of its financial resources from drug trafficking, which is reported to generate hundreds of millions of US dollars for the group..(This one is from Australian Government)

The PKK derives most of its financial resources from drug trafficking, which is reported to generate hundreds of millions of US dollars for the group

Again. Not a single evidence. In one of your links it mentions the name Zeyneddin Geleri. Who is this guy? He is definitely not a part of PKK. He never was a member and nobody has ever heard of him. Do you have evidence that he is a member of PKK? If not, then there is no credibility once again.

Look it is very simple. If the drug dealers are not connected to PKK then you can not hold PKK responsible for it. Again, there is no photos, no videos, no footages of PKK dealing with drugs. What USA does in their reports is to make up names of people that they believe are connected to PKK but without any evidence at all.

Sabri Ok and Remzi Kartal are mentioned thousands of times in those reports of yours and Sinan's. They say the two persons ( who are top people in PKK) are connected to drug dealing. Then how come none of them have been imprisoned yet? Remzi Kartal and other top ranking PKKers have been captured several times in Germany, France and Belgium. They were supposed to be tried for drug trafficking but not once were they persecuted due to lack of evidence. So that pretty much kills the credibility in all of your reports right there. I mean, let us take a logical look at it. In all your reports, Remzi Kartal is said to be a top drug trafficker. But not once has he been judged and imprisoned for his supposed crimes in a judicial and legal system. How do you explain that?

 

[BronzePlaque]

Again. Not a single evidence. In one of your links it mentions the name Zeyneddin Geleri. Who is this guy? He is definitely not a part of PKK. He never was a member and nobody has ever heard of him. Do you have evidence that he is a member of PKK? If not, then there is no credibility once again.

I cant know all the terrorists, sorry.But it seems you know all those pkk terrorists as you claim Geleri is not one of them as if you are pkk`s book keeper..How do you know he is not a part of pkk? you know all the members?

Look it is very simple. If the drug dealers are not connected to PKK then you can not hold PKK responsible for it. Again, there is no photos, no videos, no footages of PKK dealing with drugs. What USA does in their reports is to make up names of people that they believe are connected to PKK but without any evidence at all.

Actually there are tones of footages, videos etc...But you wont accept them..its all rainbows and unicorns with peace loving pkk according to you...So, no point in wasting my time any further on this

Sabri Ok and Remzi Kartal are mentioned thousands of times in those reports of yours and Sinan's. They say the two persons ( who are top people in PKK) are connected to drug dealing. Then how come none of them have been imprisoned yet? Remzi Kartal and other top ranking PKKers have been captured several times in Germany, France and Belgium. They were supposed to be tried for drug trafficking but not once were they persecuted due to lack of evidence. So that pretty much kills the credibility in all of your reports right there. I mean, let us take a logical look at it. In all your reports, Remzi Kartal is said to be a top drug trafficker. But not once has he been judged and imprisoned for his supposed crimes in a judicial and legal system. How do you explain that?

apo was at the heart of Europe(italy) stayed there for months...Was he persecuted? Do you know how many terrorists( not just talking about pkk) residing in Europe, living freely? Your argument has no merit.

But i want to ask you a question now...So why do you think did The U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control sanction those people and put PKK in narco-terror organization list?

 

[Oublious]

USA lost the war against pkk?

 

[BronzePlaque]

Well if he is a PKK member then find me some kind of source. The rest of your reply screams of strawmen arguements so I hope you will improve your argumentation. If not, do not bother replying.

well actually its the other way around..The level of how brainwashed you are is amazing

For the same reason USA has been arming Turkey to its teeth for several decades now. For the same reason that Clinton armed Turkey to its teeth fighting PKK in the 90's. Arms that were later used to eradicate 4.000 Kurdish villages. For the same reason USA has been silent about the major human rights abuses against Kurdish inmates

Lots of gibberish memorized set lines without any logic...Whats that "same" reason then, you tell me?

For the same reason it arms FSA via Turkey to fight the PYD autonomy in Syria

Yeah right, USA arms FSA to fight PYD..Thats their biggest concern...distorting mirror syndrome huh?

For the same reason that CIA was heavily involved in capturing Serok Apo.

Yup that half monkey half human inbred

its always best thing to do to crush such terrorists heads..Good for CIA, bad for us, as that child murderer monkey is still alive

The reasons are many. But USA lost its war against PKK that is why it now has to support the peace process. That is why both AKP and USA now has to ''negotiate with terrorists''. I thought they said they never would have?

It has been 30 years since PKK has established ...And yet it has failed to accomplish any of its objectives..Now who lost what? They are in their caves now as thats the best place for them atm...Living in caves..Here is a happy kurd

 

[LegionnairE]

And what evidence do you have that this is the work of PKK and not the MIT or JITEM? Or even AKP?

Yeah, like they would destroy their own merchandise... what a joke you are

 

[-SINAN-]

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Finally Cracked ehh....

By the way BronzePlaque referred PKK Terrorists as caveman not the whole Kurdish nation... But you have showed us your mindset.

Insulting a whole Nation is forbidden in this forum.
@Neptune

 

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Masks are off.

 

[BronzePlaque]

@Keyxusraw you are funny.. I said pkk terrorists are cavemen..You swing like a belly dancer, twisting my words..Show me, where did i even mention about Kurds being cavemen? I was talking about those animals

But i think its when i called apo monkey made you itchy, right? you, apo worshippers have no sense of humor..Shame