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From Investment Week-Nick Paler and Katie Holliday

"Stocks in the US and Asia rallied overnight after Italy turned to China for help with its debt crisis.


According to reports, Italy has held talks with China about the super-power purchasing Italian government bonds, and investments in key companies in the region, in a move it hopes will keep a lid on spiking yields.


The Financial Times said Italian officials had revealed Lou Jiwei, chairman of China Investment Corp, one of the world's largest sovereign wealth funds, had led a delegation to Rome last week for talks with Giulio Tremonti, finance minister.

Italian officials have also travelled to Beijing in the last two weeks to meet CIC and China's State Administration of Foreign Exchange (Safe), which manages the bulk of China's $3,200bn foreign exchange reserves.

Vittorio Grilli, head of treasury, met Chinese investors in Beijing in August. Italian officials said further negotiations were expected to take place soon, the FT said.

China has been purchasing European assets throughout this year, buying both corporate and government debt, and other assets.

However, commentators have warned purchases made by China so far this year have been relatively small.

The potential new lifeline for Italy lifted markets, with the Dow closing up 69 points at 11,061. Its top gainer was the Bank of America, which climbed 1.3% after announcing a cost-cutting programme that could lead to 30,000 job losses.

The S&P 500 also gained 8 points, or 0.7%, to close at 1,162.3.

However, Asian markets were mixed. Japanese investors were boosted by the move, with the Nikkei 225 index rising 1% to close at 8,616.55 points, while the Toppix index gained 1.2% to reach 749.82.

Investors in the region hope the move could aid the eurozone and help tackle the crisis, protecting Japanese exports.

However, reactions in Hong Kong were negative, with the Hang Seng index plunging 4.29% to reach 19,030.50."
 
if CHina keep bailing out some Western country then her inflation rate can not reduce , just like USSR keep helping Eastern europe and then bankrupted after that.
 
if CHina keep bailing out some Western country then her inflation rate can not reduce , just like USSR keep helping Eastern europe and then bankrupted after that.

Man, you and your trolling! As long as China has a strong manufacturing base, they wouldn't have any problems in the long term.

@Topic: Not a bad idea, although it might raise some 'concerns', lol. Man, so much economic uncertainty in the West.
 
However, Asian markets were mixed. Japanese investors were boosted by the move, with the Nikkei 225 index rising 1% to close at 8,616.55 points, while the Toppix index gained 1.2% to reach 749.82.

Investors in the region hope the move could aid the eurozone and help tackle the crisis, protecting Japanese exports.

However, reactions in Hong Kong were negative, with the Hang Seng index plunging 4.29% to reach 19,030.50."
Hong Kong have correct reaction to Italya bail out.

By classifying China as a nonmarket economy, the European Union allows its antidumping investigators to compare the price Chinese exporters to Europe charge with the price of goods from other low-cost countries. Antidumping duties, which can exceed 100 percent, are assessed if Chinese prices are lower.

But if China were labeled a market economy, antidumping investigators would have to compare the export prices Chinese companies charge with the prices they charge for the same goods in China. Virtually all prices in China are very low in terms of other currencies, partly because of China’s extensive intervention in currency markets to keep its currency, the renminbi weak.
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When China keep Renminbi in weak , the deficit between CHina- EU & USA will keep growing up, USA will have No choice but keep printing USD and make inflation rate of the whole world keep jumping up.

USA have lots of food for the poor , so no problem for them, but poor CHinese may not able to buy food in higher price, and CHina will be in Big trouble.

Just let wait and see, I think 80 % that CHina inflation rate will keep climbing higher next month .
 
Bailout the Italy is a good choice, as long as that money don't flow into your own , everything is ok, and you have more option -real option then wait for the US bond which is dead if you don't do anything.
The really bad thing for China, really bad, is the begining to consider any Viet comments is serious, they have more than 20% now.
Ignore them, and that's a good thing.
 
USA have lots of food for the poor , so no problem for them, but poor CHinese may not able to buy food in higher price, and CHina will be in Big trouble.

Just let wait and see, I think 80 % that CHina inflation rate will keep climbing higher next month .

Vietnam will be affected.
 
good time to press them to lift arms embargo. they have some advanced subsystems that china lack..;)
 
Vietnam will be affected.
Correct, luckily, we can borrow money from CHina-Japan-ADB , but poor Chinese have to face with harder life when food's price keep going up .

qwerrty said:
good time to press them to lift arms embargo. they have some advanced subsystems that china lack
That's the main purpose of bailout plan , but I don't think France-Germany will give CHina some advance tech.
 
Correct, luckily, we can borrow money from CHina-Japan-ADB , but poor Chinese have to face with harder life when food's price keep going up .


That's the main purpose of bailout plan , but I don't think France-Germany will give CHina some advance tech.

no we will just buy rice from Vietnam in exchange for paper money into Vietnam. then we use that paper money to buy natural resources and extract them from vietnam at permanent and immense environmental damage.
 
Correct, luckily, we can borrow money from CHina-Japan-ADB , but poor Chinese have to face with harder life when food's price keep going up .

That's the main purpose of bailout plan , but I don't think France-Germany will give CHina some advance tech.

If food prices go up, everyone, including Vietnam, will pay a higher price. I'm in Canada and we're paying a higher price for staple foods too.
 
If food prices go up, everyone, including Vietnam, will pay a higher price. I'm in Canada and we're paying a higher price for staple foods too.
So who can endure the high food & medicine price will survive . VN just recoverd from long war, lots of people got used to with poor life already, and we're no 2 in rice export now, so I think we will not collapse .

Part of traditional Chinese medicine prices soared 10 times the brokers lose money holding on

Business Chen Shuangfu are introducing the medicines he had just buying the Fritillaria, he said: 'This year's traditional Chinese medicine prices soaring, but he is far less than last year's profit.' 'In a month time, how you so much, even the Chi
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Business Chen Shuangfu are introducing the medicines he had just buying the Fritillaria, he said: 'This year's traditional Chinese medicine prices soaring, but he is far less than last year's profit.' 'In a month time, how you so much, even the Chinese can not afford to eat.' The very fact that people in Hangzhou to the pharmacy to buy fritillary, stewed pears intended to ruleCough treatment, but found a Kechuan Bei has risen to more than 5 yuan, usually takes 5 Ke Chuanbei stewed pears, stewed Chuanbei have a light take up to 30 yuan.
Part of traditional Chinese medicine prices soared 10 times the brokers lose money holding on|General|China Finance Portal
 
So who can endure the high food & medicine price will survive . VN just recoverd from long war, lots of people got used to with poor life already, and we're no 2 in rice export now, so I think we will not collapse .

Dude, keep this in mind: the people of VN deserve a better life, especially after so much sufferings caused by the war.
You posts here just showed us your cold heart probably due to the very harsh environment in which grew up.

As already pointed out many times, Chinese government should issue more visas to Vietnamese to let them travel to Shanghai/Shenzhen/Beijing/Nanjing/Hangzhou/Guangzhou to see the Chinese development. Then they can start to question the brutal regime in Hanoi that systematically failed so many generations of Vietnamese.

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the very interesting thing here is some Vietnamese members are worrying our 6.2% inflation rate when their own is 20%.

what a bloody joke
 
They should sell China south Italy for 200 billion

Nope.

We will always fully respect their integrity. The south Italy clearly worth much much more than 200 billion. In fact, you can't put a price tag on it, even if you can, no one can afford it. China is not special in this case.

I believe it is a good idea to buy say $10 billion - $20 billion bonds issued by Italy, as:

1. this is bonds backed by the credit of the government of Italy. good deal for both nations.
2. as expected, it will come with political conditions -- Italy needs to fully recognize China as a market economy. You simply can't expect China to buy your bonds while you use excuse to delay such recognization.
 
US needs to do more to help its NATO allies out of these dire situations.
 
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