Maoists attack train, kill 3 GRP jawans in Bihar

[janon]

develop the under developed areas so that ppl are happy and start rejecting maoists.
u know what??
dosen't work at all as maoism has become the tool by ppl to extort money from others.

Did you read me saying anything of that sort?

This is why you shouldn't preconceive what is on other people's minds.

 

[he-man]

Did you read me saying anything of that sort?

This is why you shouldn't preconceive what is on other people's minds.

what u said essentially meant the same
its utter useless policy,u need to take hard decisions if u want to kill insurgencies.
punjab is the perfect example

 

[janon]

what u said essentially meant the same
its utter useless policy,u need to take hard decisions if u want to kill insurgencies.
punjab is the perfect example

No. None of what I said means the same. In fact I did not say anything at all on what needs to be done, other than saying that good counter insurgency skills are called for.

In future, desist from assuming what may be on other people's minds, unless you have good reason to do so.

 

[he-man]

No. None of what I said means the same. In fact I did not say anything at all on what needs to be done, other than saying that good counter insurgency skills are called for.

In future, desist from assuming what may be on other people's minds, unless you have good reason to do so.

i have told u many times before.
be precise what u want to say,don't start with philosophical teachings.

 

[janon]

i have told u many times before.
be precise what u want to say,don't start with philosophical teachings.

I have heard you tell people not to be philosophical at least 3 times today. Are you sure you know what philosophy means? Where did I indulge in philosophical teachings? Is that a code word you use to describe anything you dont understand?

My point is simple - don't put words in other peoples mouths, don't assume you can read other people's minds, don't presume to know what other people's ideas or opinions are. Is that simple enough, or is that too "philosophical" for you?

 

[he-man]

I have heard you tell people not to be philosophical at least 3 times today. Are you sure you know what philosophy means? Where did I indulge in philosophical teachings? Is that a code word you use to describe anything you dont understand?

My point is simple - don't put words in other peoples mouths, don't assume you can read other people's minds, don't presume to know what other people's ideas or opinions are. Is that simple enough, or is that too "philosophical" for you?

ok then tell me if u are made pm today what will u do in case of maoists??
i told u what i will do already,lets see

 

[he-man]

@janon

what happened mate??
no decision?u will follow the same route as great manmohan singh?

 

[janon]

@janon

what happened mate??
no decision?u will follow the same route as great manmohan singh?

My apologies, I cannot reply because I am going on a self imposed ban.

A brief summary (despite the length, it is only a brief summary): I will do pretty much what Chidambaram has been doing since taking over. Equipping and training CAPFs in counter insurgency, and teaching them the skills they need to wage counter geurilla war. (Warfighting and peacekeeping are two different skills. Policemen are usually trained only to maintain law and order, not wage war against trained cadres.) Small unit tactics, especially in jungle terrain, ambush and counter ambush etc. Other than training and equipping them, also make sure to develop an effective intelligence and counter intelligence grid on the ground in all affected areas. Through this network, gain intel on the location and tactics of top leaders, and hunt them down. Do counter propaganda to ensure that the Maoists don't find new recruits easily.

These are the unglamorous, behind the scenes jobs that need to be done to effectively crush a potential insurgency. Pushing a few buttons and dropping bombs from the air makes for great Hollywood footage, but achieves little, against non uniformed fighters who live off the land and among people, and in small groups. It is not like they will assemble anywhere in division strength, so that we can conveniently drop a bomb - this is guerilla war, and is very different from conventional war and conventional armies. They may have fighters who during the day work as rural schoolteachers or doctors, but by night conduct an ambush on police forces. Without a proper intelligence network on the ground, comprising hundreds (if not more) agents who can surreptitiously live in these areas and mingle with the people, we will have no way of knowing who is an enemy and who is a friend, and where the enemies meet up and so on.

To catch Veerappan, who was no more than a brigand with a 100 or so men, some of the TN state policemen had to live a double life as hawkers and tea stall owners in jungle areas for decades, collecting info about Veerappan and his aides. So imagine what kind of a network would be needed to collect info about an enemy that is well trained in geurilla warfare.

If you are a pilot with a big bomb, where will you go drop it? Even if you drop it on the head of a fighter, how many will you kill? Only two or three will be assembled there. They gather together in strength only when they have to attack, and have the element of surprise on their side. Otherwise, they disperse themselves across huge states, in civilian clothes, doing civilian jobs.

You mentioned the Punjab insurgency earlier - was it crushed by big bombs dropped from above, or by agent orange? No, it was boots on the ground that did it. Also, in op blue star and black thunder we were able to break the back of their armed strength, and destroy most of their fighting capability. But Maoists don't operate like thatk, they don't have a temple as a base. They are few in number, spread across big states.

OK, you are the PM and the air marshal combined. You have the best bombers and bombs available. What will you do next? Where will you go drop it?

Sorry, but that ain't how CI works. It may be mouth watering for a jingo to think about mighty fighters dropping bombs on enemies, and not so satisfying to think about days and months of dull policing, intel collection, targeted attacks, counter propaganda and so on. But that is the reality of the world - it is the painstaking, dull work that gets the job done. There is a reason why the Indian army' CIJWS' motto is "Fight a guerilla like a guerilla", and not "Fight a guerilla by airpower and agent orange."

I cannot discuss further, because of my self ban.

 

[he-man]

I will have to simply disagree.

we need to act fast and hard arg we have way more personnel and ammunition.

if not this then we should capture each such affected district with force and setting a small camp of say 500-1000 people there

then move on to next

maoists don't stand a chance like this


right now we are mixing politics in strategic decision