Mao Zedong's 120th birthday anniversary

[ChineseTiger1986]

That would partly thanked to Vietnam nailed the western imperialism in Vietnam and Russia for countered U.S. influence in Asia. Otherwise you Chinese could had be experimental for U.S. to test their supreme weaponry, let just say U.S. won the war in Vietnam, what the next step they could had done?

Another thing, it was not Mao that brought Communism to Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh was long time disciple of Stalin and Lenin. Mao's ideology has little to none influence on Vietnam. Vietnam's communist official stated that in an interview with BBC when was asked influence of Mao over Vietnam in the past.

Belittling Mao would simply make Vietnam's communism and Ho Chi-Minh looks bad.

Think about it, USSR didn't manage to survive, while China did.

At least we don't deny Stalin's contribution for communism even though he was even less friendly to China than Khrushchev, he laid the foundation for the superpower USSR.

While Mao laid the foundation for the modern China, every modern communist should know how great Mao was as a leader.

Peaceful? And it is 1928-1937, and Chiang Kai Shek did not rule most part of China, just the South East. You must have failed you history.

There is a 黄金十年 that Japanese destroyed.
黃金十年 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

Nevertheless I have to admit Stalin is able to perform greater feat, but Stalin started off much better as Russian was way better educated and more exposed to modern science.

Stalin did unite Russia. Chiang did not unite China.

黄金十年 was only good for my native city Shanghai, but elsewhere in China was still a sh1thole.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Belittling Mao would simply make Vietnam's communism and Ho Chi-Minh looks bad.

Think about it, USSR didn't manage to survive, while China did.

At least we don't deny Stalin's contribution for communism even though he was even less friendly to China than Khrushchev, he laid the foundation for the superpower USSR.

While Mao laid the foundation for the modern China, every modern communist should know how great Mao was as a leader.



黄金十年 was only good for my native city Shanghai, but elsewhere in China was still a sh1thole.

Because Chiang never managed to ruled elsewhere. The KMT at 1927 was just a bunch of officer cadet and new recruits. What you expect of them?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Nevertheless I have to admit Stalin is able to perform greater feat, but Stalin started off much better as Russian was way better educated and more exposed to modern science.

Stalin did unite Russia. Chiang did not unite China.

Too bad Chiang was not even close to Stalin's capability to manage a country.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Too bad Chiang was not even close to Stalin's capability to manage a country.

China was not at Russian level. Just not long ago, China was still Qing in 1911, women 3 inch lotus, eunuch still running in Beijing. You want these people to go against Japan war machine in 1937, 26 years later?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Because Chiang never managed to ruled elsewhere. The KMT at 1927 was just a bunch of officer cadet and new recruits. What you expect of them?

Chiang cannot even put China together, even you do admit that he would definitely lose Xinjiang and Xizang from China's map.

How do you expect this man to lead China into prosperity?

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Chiang cannot even put China together, even you do admit that he would definitely lose Xinjiang and Xizang from China's map.

How do you expect this man to lead China into prosperity?

This is the reason I say Mao is a mix bag. I never say he is 100% bad.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China was not at Russian level. Just not long ago, China was still Qing in 1911, women 3 inch lotus, eunuch still running in Beijing. You want these people to go against Japan war machine in 1937, 26 years later?

Russia was partially industrialized, and Stalin made it fully industrialized.

China was a stone age country, while Mao laid a good foundation to be nearly fully industrialized in his successors' hand.

Chiang did nothing, China was still a stone age country under his rule.

 

[Viet]

Sad that Ho passed away before Vietnam reunified. If Ho was still alive by the 70's and 80's, China and Vietnam would of been allies.

Too bad that's not the case.

You don´t know the root cause. China under Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai played foul. The Chinese did not want to see a strong and united Vietnam on their southern border. So Zhou Enlai sided with the French, the Americans and the British when Vietnam negotiated over its future on the peace conference in Geneve. Vietnam was divided as the result. The Vietnamese position was not strong enough to force another solution.

That revealed the long served Vietnamese PM Pham Van Dong later.

If China backed Vietnam, if Chinese were honest, Vietnam would NOT have been suffered the 3 devasting wars afterwards, millions lives would not have been lost. Not to mention the lost 50 years of economics development. Vietnam would look different today. And China and Vietnam would be of allies today.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Russia was partially industrialized, and Stalin made it fully industrialized.

China was a stone age country, while Mao laid a good foundation to be nearly fully industrialized in his successors' hand.

Chiang did nothing, China was still a stone age country under this rule.

You can say that, but Chiang did not really rule China. He got too much of disturbance. He manage to hold off the Japanese. It was easier to mobilize Russian than Chinese then. Qing left the ROC an stone age bureaucracy.

Communist scantly fight.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You don´t know the root cause. China under Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai played foul. The Chinese did not want to see a strong and united Vietnam on their southern border. So Zhou Enlai sided with the French, the Americans and the British when Vietnam negotiated over its future on the peace conference in Geneve. Vietnam was divided as the result. The Vietnamese position was not strong enough to force another solution.

That revealed the long served Vietnamese PM Pham Van Dong later.

If this sad thing did not happen, Vietnam would NOT have been suffered the 3 devasting wars afterwards, millions lives would not have been lost. Not to mention the lost 50 years of economics development. Vietnam would look different today. And China and Vietnam would be of allies today.

From your comment, I feel regret for Mao and Zhou for helping you guys.

Mao even conceded some territory to his communist brother Vietnam.

The anti-Mao KMT guys here always use this excuse to bash Mao for treason.

You can say that, but Chiang did not really rule China. He got too much of disturbance. He manage to hold off the Japanese. It was easier to mobilize Russian than Chinese then. Qing left the ROC an stone age bureaucracy.

Communist scantly fight.

Now don't blame Qing for ROC's failure, Qing left a larger China for ROC, while ROC left an even more fragmented China for PRC.

 

[kankan326]

Peaceful? And it is 1928-1937, and Chiang Kai Shek did not rule most part of China, just the South East. You must have failed you history.

There is a 黄金十年 that Japanese destroyed.
黃金十年 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

Nevertheless I have to admit Stalin is able to perform greater feat, but Stalin started off much better as Russian was way better educated and more exposed to modern science.

Stalin did unite Russia. Chiang did not unite China.

Producing match and flour has nothing to do with "golden decade". Neither had it any help to the war. I'm talking about heavy industry.

Of course I know Chiang only controlled part of China. But this part was the richest and most developed part. I'm not asking Chinag did the same as Stalin. Do you know Yan Xishan(who only controlled Shanxi province) had better military industry than Chiang's? Don't excuse for his inability.

 

[Viet]

Mao and Ho were good buddies, of course he supported the unification of Vietnam, but he and CPC didn't realize that Vietcong had became so ungrateful after the death of Ho.

the split between China and Vietnam began to exist before Ho died. Indeed Mao and Ho were good buddies, but they respresented two countries with a history loaded past, with two conflicting strategic interests. Sad.

From your comment, I feel regret for Mao and Zhou for helping you guys.

Think again! What happened if VN lost the wars against the French or the Americans?
China would have their troops at your southern border today. Do you want see that?

Mao even conceded some territory to his communist brother Vietnam.

can you tell me which parts were ceded to VN?

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

Mao is abnormal. A man required to make his body as a bacon and let others to watch it. Normal people will not do this. His is so abnormal

 

[JSCh]

And that is Bo Xi Lai's father. And Bo Xi Lai is according to some media a hardline Maoist.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

From your comment, I feel regret for Mao and Zhou for helping you guys.

Mao even conceded some territory to his communist brother Vietnam.

The anti-Mao KMT guys here always use this excuse to bash Mao for treason.



Now don't blame Qing for ROC's failure, Qing left a larger China for ROC, while ROC left an even more fragmented China for PRC.

That is why I am not saying ROC is 100% good and I give credit to Mao. ROC did not leave China more fragmented but Mao did unite China.

Producing match and flour has nothing to do with "golden decade". Neither had it any help to the war. I'm talking about heavy industry.

Of course I know Chiang only controlled part of China. But this part was the richest and most developed part. I'm not asking Chinag did the same as Stalin. Do you know Yan Xishan(who only controlled Shanxi province) had better military industry than Chiang's? Don't excuse for his inability.

I am not doubting heavy industries developed under communist.