Malaysian PM: We have no Muslim country to protect us, but that doesn't mean this should be forever

[Philip the Arab]

As much as Pakistan might be dysfunctional one thing I can tell these neo Arab nationalists hey at least we managed to be one nation one state along the Indus river

Arab world is very hard to unite because is so big and so spaced apart. You were united because of the UK grouping you all together and because France controlled some Arab land like Syria in which case unification was made more difficult.

 

[313ghazi]

Wrong.. you don't see Brazil, Argentina, Philippines or Ethiopia in the examples u have shown.its a racial thing. Eventually Islam will lose out over race I think.

You think the South Americans are a different race to the Latin European countries?

Only those without knowledge of hadith will expect that Islam will be overcome by race.

We over come caste, tribe, genetics - to form man made artificial nation states.

You think race will overcome Islam... Lol

I tell you what will over differences - financial benefit and military might.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Not only that a good chunk of the Indian diaspora is also from across the border. Look at Canada. Most Indians there are Sikh Punjabi.

It's in the Northeast US as well Sikh Punjsbis are prolly the only nicest Indians you can meet as a Pakistani abroad unfortunately because of that many Pakistanis abroad think all Indians in other states are like that man Gujaratis and Bengalis are the worse in that regard

 

[313ghazi]

All of the countries are far from united and are not united by religion but by race and the commonality they share with eachother. Europeans are all mostly white, Americans are white. In your logic all Christian African countries would be united with European Christian countries which obviously won't happen.


These countries are all SECULAR because religion is irrelevant today. Do you actually think Europeans are religious or are you dumb?

You said they are not united, I gave you examples of exactly how they are united.

I dont care for the motivations behind thier unity. The fact is they are united. If we could manage similar unity we'd be safe, we'd prosper.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Lol, Arab isn't a race as I said before. You can be mostly black and still be Arab, its an ethnicity if you know what than means.

I know. It's like me calling myself "Indus the Human". You can be anything but as long as you talk, walk, breath like a human you are a human.

Mostly Semites which are all related to us.

No. Depending on which country there are strong doses of European [Lebanon etc], Sudan [Negro], Algerian [Berber] etc.

Going back to the original point just because some Pakistani's might have underlying Dravidian strain does not detract from the fact that we have unique population cohort made up of by Baloch, Sindhi, Punjabi, Pashtuns etc. This makes us as differantiated from most Indians as Jordan is from Africans even if some of you might have touch of Negro to finish off your hairstyle and help with future athletic teams.

 

[guest9999]

This seems to be a pretty accurate prediction of what has happened in Muslim history and what is to come:

Ḥudhayfa b. al-Yamān (rA) reported that the Prophet ﷺ said, “Prophethood will remain amongst you for as long as Allah wishes. Then Allah will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it, and there will be a caliphate upon the prophetic methodology. It will last for as long as Allah wishes it to last, then Allah will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it. Then there will be an abiding dynasty, and it will remain for as long as Allah wishes it to remain. Then Allah will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it. Then there will be tyrannical (forceful) kingship, and it will remain for as long as Allah wishes it to remain. Then He will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it, and then there will be a caliphate upon the prophetic methodology.”
Collected by Aḥmad (18406); deemed ḥasan by al-Arna’ūṭ, and “at least ḥasan” by al-Albāni in as-Silsila aṣ-Ṣaḥīḥa (5).

Our history has been summed up by No# 1, 2, 3 below. No# 4 is what comes next:

1. Caliphate based on Sunnah - First 30 years of Islamic Caliphate (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali)
2. "Abiding dynasty" - monarchy throughout pretty much most of our history. It ended with Ottoman Caliphate in 1924
3. "Tyrannical (forcefule) kingship" - sounds a lot like military dictatorships - look at Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Indonesia, Algeria, etc. So many Muslim countries were under military rule at one point.
4. Caliphate based on Sunnah

 

[Philip the Arab]

You said they are not united, I gave you examples of exactly how they are united.

I dont care for the motivations behind thier unity. The fact is they are united. If we could manage similar unity we'd be safe, we'd prosper.

Ok, I wish you good luck in your unrealistic ideology. Fact is most Muslims want united Ummah but most people know it is close to impossible today. If this was 100 years ago when many countries were gaining independence this could be more realistic but govs are not going to budge bub.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Semite

That term so often bandied about is so wide, so vacuous that it does not mean much. I mean the entire region from Ireland, UK, Germany, Russia to Iran, to Pakistan, to India, to Bangladesh is Caucasian.

We used to have your compatriot bragging about the Semite achievements. Would that mean we Pakistani's begin to brag about European, Russian, American, Canadian achievements as we are all Caucasian.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Arab world is very hard to unite because is so big and so spaced apart. You were united because of the UK grouping you all together and because France controlled some Arab land like Syria in which case unification was made more difficult.

UK may have provided the framework and infrastructure yes but I am just trying to poke the bubble some Arabs have regarding South Asia by claiming Pakistanis and Indians are the same while we are not

 

[Philip the Arab]

That term so often bandied about is so wide, so vacuous that it does not mean much. I mean the entire region from Ireland, UK, Germany, Russia to Iran, to Pakistan, to India, to Bangladesh is Caucasian.

We used to have your compatriot bragging about the Semite achievements. Would that mean we Pakistani's begin to brag about European, Russian, American, Canadian achievements as we are all Caucasian.

Are we talking about the same word? Semetic comes from son of Shem. Caucasian is a different term all together.
Its a wide area including a lot of Africa and Syria/Iraq.

UK may have provided the framework and infrastructure yes but I am just trying to poke the bubble some Arabs have regarding South Asia by claiming Pakistanis and Indians are the same while we are not

They are deff not the same as pakistanis but are related genetically like we are related to the MENA jews and not the European invader Jews. We don't call ourselves the same but we are definitely related.

 

[Falcon29]

Do you see Christians uniting? It's 2019 and religion is becoming irrelevant in most of the world. You can imagine some "ummah" in your wet dreams but the muslim community is too big for it. Prophet Muhammad probably never imagined it would grow to be 1 billion people when at the time of his death it was not over ten thousand at the most.

Allah gave him knowledge of the future, so indeed he knew to an extent what our state will be well after his death. Anyway, I don't like it being framed as 'Muslim unity'. Muslims are not Muslims if they aren't observing Islam and showing appreciation of their Lord. I don't care if they can unite or not. It's called being obedient to God. We in Arab world for example, have disobedient people ruling us. So all the obedient/competent/fair/reasonable/educated Arabs have no authority in areas of government. And the ones with authority just wait for higher up decisions. And the higher up is a unqualified piece of garbage. Hence we are in a sad state economically/politically/socially.

Some Muslims today still looking for ethnic exclusive rule over other Muslims. And these Muslims are very misguided and think this is the way of life and reason why God created us. So yes, unfortunately as a collective whole we will still remain disobedient to God and not realize what we are doing wrong. If one is a obedient Muslim that fears God, he will do his best in whatever field and deliver to his people. Whether that be someone in charge of economic portfolio, military, health, environment, etc.... And if Muslims are obedient to God, they wouldn't talk about Muslim unity. Because Muslim unity of 1.6 billion people is fake.

We have cheapened the title of Muslim so we have permitted tons of disobedient, misguided Muslims to wedge themselves into the main voice of the Ummah and so you have a bunch of jokers who don't pray, don't make any effort to avoid sin, come around and tell us they should rule the Ummah just because their history or ethnicity. And because they cherish the power that comes with it. You want Muslim unity, you need to put your ethnicity and nationality behind you. All that matters is your character and to what extent you went to avoid sins and stick to tenets of Islam and stay by the side of God. That's all that matters, it is varies individual by individual. So why the hell are there are Muslims trying to make it seem it is a collective ethnicity/nationality thing? That's illogical and unIslamic nonsense.

The retards in the Muslim world don't understand anything. Look at the Prophets, they all went into seclusion from their own people, our great Prophet being the best example. He was raised in his society, but he recognized people are not obedient to God. And segregated himself since childhood to 40 years old because he wanted to avoid sin and he was depressed by a way of life that doesn't show appreciation to the Creator. And you know how much suffering he went? How much of a toll it had him on him mentally? He was alone and relying on faith to keep going through all those years. It's not because of him being Arab, it is because of what he realize and what he did. All the way until 40 years old he threw away fun, his childhood, teenage hood, adult hood, etc.... He said to himself I will give up these pleasures and desires for the sake of my Lord even though the personal cost was too high to bear. And Allah tested him to his ability, and he is the best human being ever to walk on earth. And Allah finally communicated with him at 40 years old, told him that you are surely on the right path and have a great character and I will guide you to reveal and establish Islam.

 

[B.K.N]

Ever seen the range of Pakistani's fro north to south? From almost black to blondes. We als have a wide spectrum and instead of disparate "Arab world" this is in one country on the Indus.

Most of Pakistanis are in different shades of brown mostly medium brown and in pashtuns case lighter side of brown though i have seen few dark pashtuns
I have never seen any Indian but those I see at their news channels are much darker compared to Pakistanis
And blonde Pakistanis are extremely rare

 

[Falcon29]

This seems to be a pretty accurate prediction of what has happened in Muslim history and what is to come:

Ḥudhayfa b. al-Yamān (rA) reported that the Prophet ﷺ said, “Prophethood will remain amongst you for as long as Allah wishes. Then Allah will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it, and there will be a caliphate upon the prophetic methodology. It will last for as long as Allah wishes it to last, then Allah will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it. Then there will be an abiding dynasty, and it will remain for as long as Allah wishes it to remain. Then Allah will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it. Then there will be tyrannical (forceful) kingship, and it will remain for as long as Allah wishes it to remain. Then He will remove it whenever He wishes to remove it, and then there will be a caliphate upon the prophetic methodology.”
Collected by Aḥmad (18406); deemed ḥasan by al-Arna’ūṭ, and “at least ḥasan” by al-Albāni in as-Silsila aṣ-Ṣaḥīḥa (5).

Our history has been summed up by No# 1, 2, 3 below. No# 4 is what comes next:

1. Caliphate based on Sunnah - First 30 years of Islamic Caliphate (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali)
2. "Abiding dynasty" - monarchy throughout pretty much most of our history. It ended with Ottoman Caliphate in 1924
3. "Tyrannical (forcefule) kingship" - sounds a lot like military dictatorships - look at Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Indonesia, Algeria, etc. So many Muslim countries were under military rule at one point.
4. Caliphate based on Sunnah

Exactly, thanks for this brother.

 

[Falcon29]

I'm not saying Arabs are better than non-Arabs but saying we should stick together because Islam should be a personal matter and not a uniting or dividing factor.

I'm talking about Muslims as a whole.

 

[Mithridates]

an Islamic union/ummah could benefit every one, Pakistan is able to develop nukes, turkey exports weapons to west, Iran produces laser to blind enemy satellites and drone jammers before France and US do, Persian gulf countries hold world energy sources, we control the pass of west to east and considerable population of world.
we just are scattered.