Malaysia: First World By 2020?

[70U63]

I already gave the evidence above. the top 3 rich southeast countries happened to relate to the percent of Chinese people in the same order. you can call that a coincidence if you like.

For a country to become developed, it depend on a lot of things. The whole society need to play the role, not just the Chinese in that country (for example: in Malaysia). If only Chinese dominate the whole economy and politic, i would say race riot can easily happen if the inequality between rich and poor is not manage properly.

In my opinion, Malaysia should be easier to become developed nation because she got resources, manageable population and relative safe from natural disaster. However, the country got their priority wrong. Some issues since independent, more than 50 years ago have not be solved.

 

[DarkElf]

Singapore with mix population is richer than Hongkong, China or Taiwan......

Another thing that's most people forget, how the countries get their independence does matter. Singapore and Malaysia get their independence in a silver platter, with all the necessary institutions and educated elite. While Thailand is never got colonized. Compare that to Indonesia who need to fight for years and must shoulder part of Dutch debt. A long struggle against foreign power usually left a long lasting if not permanent impact on nation's psyche.

 

[antonius123]

Singapore with mix population is richer than Hongkong, China or Taiwan......

Another thing that's most people forget, how the countries get their independence does matter. Singapore and Malaysia get their independence in a silver platter, with all the necessary institutions and educated elite. While Thailand is never got colonized. Compare that to Indonesia who need to fight for years and must shoulder part of Dutch debt. A long struggle against foreign power usually left a long lasting if not permanent impact on nation's psyche.

Singapore start earlier than China.
Singapore is smaller than Taiwan (hence higher gdp per capita)
Singapore position is better/more strategic than Hongkong. Both are head to head.

 

[DarkElf]

Singapore start earlier than China.
Singapore is smaller than Taiwan (hence higher gdp per capita)
Singapore position is better/more strategic than Hongkong. Both are head to head.

Thanks for making my point, minor correction, Singapore is no longer head to head, they have a decent lead against HK now, at least as long as Kra canal not ready. And it depends on someone point of view, whether Singapore or China starts earlier.

Basically, it shows that degree of development depends on lots of things, not just the number of Chinese in one country. In the meantime, don't forget South Korea and Japan with their small overall Chinese population.

 

[powastick]

I already gave the evidence above. the top 3 rich southeast countries happened to relate to the percent of Chinese people in the same order. you can call that a coincidence if you like.

Don't bother, a lot Indonesian and Malays reject Chinese contributions. They call us thieves or settlers(pendatang) plundering their wealth.

 

[Cossack25A1]

Philippines can achieve first world status but 2051 CE is "too soon".

2070 CE give or take... that is, if there is still a "Philippines" beyond 2030 CE.

 

[VALKRYIE]

Singapore start earlier than China.
Singapore is smaller than Taiwan (hence higher gdp per capita)
Singapore position is better/more strategic than Hongkong. Both are head to head.

Singapore more like a city than a country. If you compare it to other cities like Hong Kong, Seoul and Tokyo the standard of living is about the same.

no way, if we are talking with your logic Vietnam along with Laos, Myanmar and Philippine has a large number of Chinese diaspora to at their respective country and along with their descendants and mixed blood can easily rival the number of local population, but their development still hindered until today.

Nope, in Vietnam just like Japan and Korea the Hoa (Chinese Vietnamese) are a minority and have no influence in the economy and politics unlike other countries like Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines & Thailand.

Vietnam got fuked up by so many wars and US embargo till the 90's. And thereafter the VCP government policy screwed the economy even more. Laos is isolated and landlock country that depends on Thailand, Vietnam and China for trade and investment. Myanmar with its ongoing military junta and ethnic rebel wars are limiting its economic potential.

I talk about percent of Chinese origin in a country's whole population, do your math then. singapore 70%, malalysia 25%, thailand 10%, etc.

Are you implying that these countries got richer because of the Chinese and that locals are incompetent and lazy?

If Malaysia and other SEA countries want to emulate the success of the four Asian tigers: Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, and Taiwan.

It requires three factors: 1) Democractic Government 2)Work Culture (confucianism) 3) High IQ ( Ex. PISA results) A highly educated workforce to create high tech products and global name brand.

 

[Fattyacids]

The function of the Malaysia government is to look after the interest of the Malay ethnic, not the country. As long as the Malay supremacy party is in charge, the country will not progress to first world.

 

[powastick]

Are you implying that these countries got richer because of the Chinese and that locals are incompetent and lazy?

After 40 years of affirmative action, the Malays are still far behind
After 40 years of affirmative action, the Malays are still far behind - Lok Wing Kong - The Malaysian Insider

Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad said: “Europeans used to call Malays as lazy Malays; incompetent Malays and untrustworthy Malays”.

Why didn't Dr Mahathir fight back as it was a great insult to the Malay race? The reason for not doing so is best known to him.

A long 40 years had passed, affirmative action for the Malays seemed to achieve very few of its goals.

It appears the Malays have not been spoon-fed enough as Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak has introduced the new Bumiputera Economic Empowerment (BEE) Agenda to intensify spoon-feeding by the powers-that-be.

This, in fact, is admitting that the European view of Malays is actually true – lazy, incompetent and untrustworthy. Why don't the powers-that-be want to prove the Europeans wrong?

The National Economic Policy was supposed to expire in 1990. Somehow Umno leaders were not happy with the policy's achievement and insisted it be continued.

But for how long? Perpetual may be, judging by the introduction of the BEE.

The BEE is also an open-ended policy, no one knows when it will end. Spoon-feeding the Malays is good but there must be a day that the spoon-feeding stops.

Prolonged spoon-feeding will make the Malays weaker by the day. We don't need a environmental scientist to tell us that the orang utan cannot survive in the wild after being in captivity for a few years.

It is because the orang utan has lost its instinct to hunt food. Human beings and animals are quite similar.

After being spoon-fed for decades, the Malays also have lost their instincts to stand on their feet. Why can’t the powers-that-be come up with a policy that will strengthen the survival instinct of the Malays so that they can compete in the global environment?

This spoon-feeding programme will put a lot of hardship on other races in this country. Out of 29 million Malaysians, only about 1.7 million pay tax.

In this 1.7 million, some 80% of them are non-Malays. In Malaysia, those who pay taxes the most are not being treated at par with the Malays.

There is an urgent need to introduce need-based policies as poverty does not recognise ethnicity. There are hardcore poor across all races.

Until today, mediocrity has been maintained and widely practised in all fields of human endeavours. This is not good for the country.

It promotes brain drain. The world will not wait for Malaysia to catch up.

Doomsday will fall on Malaysia if the spoon-feeding of Malays continues.

One more aspect that must be done is that only the plantation sector is allowed to employ foreign workers, all other industries shall upgrade to high technology industries.

Low tech labour intensive types must gradually be phased out. This will speed up the country towards becoming a high-income nation. Otherwise, Malaysia will continue to mire in the middle-income trap. – November 5, 2013.

- See more at: After 40 years of affirmative action, the Malays are still far behind - Lok Wing Kong - The Malaysian Insider

"What is obvious and the truth is that they, in their own country, have to depend on other races to build up the country's prosperity, and various affairs of the community are planned and implemented by other races." Mahathir Mohammad.

 

[luoshan]

The function of the Malaysia government is to look after the interest of the Malay ethnic, not the country. As long as the Malay supremacy party is in charge, the country will not progress to first world.

The bhumiputera laws are unjust, racist and discriminatory. Malays are basically lazy and want to enrich themselves on others hard work. Malaysia is running our of oil and gas. The Chinese and Indian population of Malaysia is immigrating out. The Malays have to now work for their living now.

 

[macnurv]

Under current circumstances, it is highly unlikely Malaysia will be able to achieve its 2020 vision. When Mahatir set the 2020 Vision, he overlooked several key parameters. At the same time comparing Malaysia to its next door neighbour Singapore is unfair, although some lessons can be learned.

Malaysia as a country divided into 3 groups along the racial lines, and the distrust among them runs deep. The current political elite have ensured that these divides not only are maintained but are deepen to ensure their survival. Yes there was a need for affirmative action when it was started, but now it is nothing but state funded patronage to gain political milage on expense of others.

The author assumptions regarding Malaysian economy are fictitious, currently Malaysia have the highest House hold debt in the ASEAN region (150% of GDP), coupled with low salaries, higher cost of living and inflated property prices are contributing towards this downward trend. The latest tax of 6% GST is already taking its toll on nerves of middle class further weakening their confidence.
Malaysians deeply distrust each other and the population is divided. Malays feel that it is their land so they should have more rights compared to others, Chinese feel and rightly so that they are discriminated against and quite frankly they are still being treated as 2nd class citizens and Indians, well they got the shortest end of stick. Having said that all hope is not lost as in last general elections urban Malaysians voted for policies rather than race, as a result current government and prime minister only have 47% of popular vote. Because of such huge loss BN suffered, especially among Malays BN have shifted more towards Malay nationalism which essentially boils down to that Malays as a race are under attack by forces who wishes to reduce them, their culture and religion to a minority. Evidence of this can be seen as BN's tacit support for groups such as Perkasa and ISMA.
The alliance of opposition parties is a story of bigger failure, it is them who have let down Malaysians the most and have failed miserably to galvanize the Malaysian public which voted for change in the last GE.

Why Malaysia has so many Muslim population?

Because Malays are the predominant group and all Malays are muslims. They account for over 68% of the population.

For a country to become developed, it depend on a lot of things. The whole society need to play the role, not just the Chinese in that country (for example: in Malaysia). If only Chinese dominate the whole economy and politic, i would say race riot can easily happen if the inequality between rich and poor is not manage properly.

In my opinion, Malaysia should be easier to become developed nation because she got resources, manageable population and relative safe from natural disaster. However, the country got their priority wrong. Some issues since independent, more than 50 years ago have not be solved.

I agree, in multiracial countries the perceived notion of one race dominating the economy and the perception of them reaping all the rewards will lead to such tensions and sooner or later that will lead to clashes. Same is true for Malaysia. Malaysia is failed by its leadership the most, the true potential of this country is not being realized.

Don't bother, a lot Indonesian and Malays reject Chinese contributions. They call us thieves or settlers(pendatang) plundering their wealth.

Sadly, what you say is true. But there is another side to this story as well, Chinese also suffer from the same communalistic mindset as they accuse others of, there is strong resistance on all sides to assimilation. Chinese feels that they are treated as 2nd class citizens in their own country, which is not entirely false but all sides are to be blamed. Ofcourse the predominant group must share the most of this burden.

The function of the Malaysia government is to look after the interest of the Malay ethnic, not the country. As long as the Malay supremacy party is in charge, the country will not progress to first world.

Breaking news, the political elite of Malaysia only exist to look after their own interests, race is just a ploy they use to blind Malaysians. A common Malay is not doing any better when compared to a common chinese or indian for that matter.

 

[Gibbs]

Four of Singapore's most competent ministers and politicians are Singaporean Indians (check out Tharman Shanmugaratnam's conversation with Stephen Sackur on YouTube, Tharman is Singapore's Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister, so he literally *runs* Singapore's economy). Singapore's military and financial policy was largely the work of a Singaporean Indian politician who along with Lee Kuan Yew, whipped the country into shape when it was ejected from Malaysia. Singapore's main religion? Buddhism, an Indian religion. Singapore's name? Descended from Sanskrit.

Tharman Shanmugaratnam is of Sri Lankan Tamil ancestry not Indian.. Being Singaporean you should have known that

 

[Gibbs]

I am aware of that, thank you very much. You, on the other hand, just demonstrated a lack of awareness of Singapore's demographics. All Singaporeans of South Asian descent are grouped under the 'Indian' umbrella, because they immigrated to the city-state in the 1800's and early 1900's when India was still a single entity. For all intents and purposes, he is considered a Singaporean Indian, because Singapore only has three official 'races' that get counted in the census, dubbed the 'CMI' (Chinese, Malay, Indian) groups. The sub-groups don't get counted. It's pretty much the same case in Malaysia as well.

If we're trying to be pedantic here, then Singapore's South Asian community is obviously quite varied and is mostly of Sri Lankan/Indian Tamil descent with some Malayalees, Punjabi Sikhs, and Sindhi Hindus, but they're all Indian. Same thing goes for the Chinese community: Regardless of their dialect or whether they're of Straits Chinese (Peranakan) ancestry, or from Taiwan, Hong Kong, or the Southern or Eastern Chinese provinces, they're just Chinese. Nobody cares if they're Hakka, Teochew, or Cantonese.
The same thing could be said for the Malay community, they are also quite varied and are mostly of Javanese, Bugis, Batak (Sumatran), etc. descent, but they're grouped under one category. This actually works in favour of our harmony because unlike people back in India or China we know how to coexist for the sake of our society and don't harp on about irrelevant, unnecessary differences. We have let go of some aspects of our culture in order to forge a more unified national identity, and it has worked splendidly.
The problem is that foreigners from the latter countries come here and end up acting in the same way they would back home. Some Pakistani expats have brought their petty subcontinental rivalry over to Singapore and turn their noses up at the local Indians when the local Indians have eff all to do with their nonsensical domestic issues back in the subcontinent. It is repulsive, but we are tolerant and just let it slide. The Malaysians on the other hand are starting to lose patience, and I can't say I blame them.

Not really.. Ceylonese community both in Singapore and Malaya are distinct though they are included in the sub group as Indian for political purposes.. Despite that they always identified themselves as Ceylonese and they still do

I find it funny though while you decried a Chinese poster on his general assumption that Chinese community in South East Asia is the reason for it's progress while finding it quite comfortable to bunch all people of South Asian origin as Indian

Btw Sri Lanka or Ceylon was never under a single Indian entity.. Even the Portuguese, Dutch and the British (Architects of modern India) Governed Ceylon as a separate distinct colony or nation.. Never amalgamated it with India even for colonial purposes.. Identifying it's distinct differences from rest of the sub continent

You could add S.Rajaratnam the former deputy premier to the list of Singaporean Ceylonese of repute

LKY's tribute to Ceylonese Singaporeans


“ In terms of numbers, the Ceylonese, like the Eurasians, are among the smallest of our various communities. Yet in terms of achievements and contributions to the growth and development of the modern Singapore and Malaysia they have done more than warranted by their numbers. In the early days of Malaysia's and Singapore's history the civil service and the professions were manned by a good number of Ceylonese. Even today the Ceylonese community continues to play a prominent role in these and other fields of civil life.

For example in Singapore, today, the Speaker of Parliament is a Ceylonese. So is our High Commissioner in Great Britain. So is our Foreign Minister. In the Judiciary, in the civil service, in the university, in the medical Service and in the professions they continue to make substantial contributions out of all proportion to their numbers. They are there not because they are members of a minority community but on the basis of merit.

The point is that the Ceylonese are holding their own in open competition with communities far larger than them. They have asked for no special favour or consideration as a minority. What they have asked for – and quite rightly – is that they should be judged on their merits and that they be allowed to compete with all other citizens fairly and without discrimination. This, as far as the Singapore government is concerned, is what is best for all of us. I believe that the future belongs to that society which acknowledges and rewards ability, drive and high performance without regard to race, language or religion."

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

What a hilarious thing to say. I'm a Singaporean, and your attitude is exactly why anti-mainlander Chinese sentiment in Singapore runs so high (just like in Hong Kong). You mainlander Chinese know nothing about Singapore and the way the country functions. You consider it an extension of China and view the country within your narrow-minded, PRC Chinese framework, and come here acting like you're still in Shanghai.
Four of Singapore's most competent ministers and politicians are Singaporean Indians (check out Tharman Shanmugaratnam's conversation with Stephen Sackur on YouTube, Tharman is Singapore's Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister, so he literally *runs* Singapore's economy). Singapore's military and financial policy was largely the work of a Singaporean Indian politician who along with Lee Kuan Yew, whipped the country into shape when it was ejected from Malaysia. Singapore's main religion? Buddhism, an Indian religion. Singapore's name? Descended from Sanskrit.

I don't care if you have an anti-Indian bias, but your biases are useless when it comes to Singapore because you're talking about Singaporeans here, not Indians from India. Chinese and Indian Singaporeans don't have the mannerisms of PRC Chinese or Indian nationals. You think a Singaporean Chinese will laugh along with you if you ridicule their compatriots in real life? They'll just tell you to go to hell. Singaporeans actually have some integrity and stick up for their own kind, unlike you and your lot. So you can be rest assured that Singapore will survive if it continues to be run by SINGAPOREANS, regardless of their ethnic background - which is pretty much a non-issue for the most part because we're a meritocracy and aren't bogged down by irrelevant matters of race. Singaporean Indians have about as much in common with Indian nationals as Barack Obama has with villagers in Kenya. Could say the same for the PRC Chinese - you behave like animals here, and are loathed by 90% of Singaporean Chinese, so you can stop trying to gain approval here because it won't work.

LOL There are 2 things I observed in here:

1. Pher’s remark was posted way back in 19 May 2015. NOBODY have flagged him “Thanks” meaning he did not get any support from trolling.

2. Your response to him was posted after 4 month and I personally find your content is equally contentious to a point of being a troll, a racist troll.

You claimed you are a Singaporean yet after reading your post, I can’t help feeling at the most you are just another new migrant to the city state.

1. You don’t seem to understand the history of Singapore and the remarkable effort made by one single man in achieving the INDEPENDENCE from the British and later Malaysia. All you seem to be more concerned about things that are connected with Indian e.g. the Sanskirt origin of the name SINGA. SINGA is in fact a Malay word for LION. SO do you know what is the original name of Singapore?

2. Recently I saw a live interview with both our PM as well DPM with Fareed Zakaria. Although I respect Mr. Tharman Shanmugaratnam a lot for his truly multiracial attitude but based on his answers given, I concluded he is still not as good as our PM Mr. Lee Hsiang Loong.

3. While the late Rajaratnam was a competent foreign minister, it was his loyalty that earn him the position as a trust aide of Mr. Lee Kuan Yew. But even in his best, he was not good enough to upstage or perform the incredible feat of Mr. Lee Kuan Yew i.e. the stunning speech by Mr. LKY in Malaysia Parliament House that got Singapore kick-out of Malaysia. The entire Parliament was mesmerized by his speech that eventful day.

4. If you are trying to imply Indians are very good at FINANCE then you are probably talking about the Chettiars community (the shrewd small time money lenders) who originated from Kerala. But was a single chettiar ever included into Mr Lee Kuan Yew team headed by the visionary Mr. Goh Keng Swee, the brilliant architect of Singapore Financial System. In Singapore, everybody works like team. Mr Tharman Shanmugaratnam was just another team member and the head of the team. So to solely accredit him maintaining for a system that was already set in place is simply overstating his role.

What is equally disgusting is your attitude. As a Singaporean, you should understand your role and position as minority in a diverse racial community dominated by 80% Chinese and not insulted the other race under the guise of attacking the Mainlander Chinese. During the recent riot by the Indians at Serangoon Road, Singaporeans for the first time discovered that the true hidden nature of the Indian community. But did we insult your community? Think before penning your opinion.

As for you, I am equally amused as a Singaporean that you have still been unable to shred the disgusting negative traits of your community which included BACKSTABBING and STEALING others people credit.

Next time stop naming Chinese Singaporean in defense, speak for yourself. I certainly disagreed with you.

Singapore can and will survived with or without the Indian community. While we practice meritocracy a policy hang down by Mr.LKY, don’t act as those your community is indispensable.

 

[prima99]

The bhumiputera laws are unjust, racist and discriminatory. Malays are basically lazy and want to enrich themselves on others hard work. Malaysia is running our of oil and gas. The Chinese and Indian population of Malaysia is immigrating out. The Malays have to now work for their living now.

except there are other Race Supremacy in SEA too!

hint: trilingual countries

also you want to blame the English for not letting the malaysians to fight them for their own independence. Malaysia, like India, is the creation of Englishmen

mind you that they're just following their master's Race Supremacy plan. our Bogan bros in our country's backyard has it too! like their Royal Englishmen counterpart

but it's not limited to them though. some countries who has better GDP and development also develop Race Supremacy attitude, even the Japanese has the Yamato Race Supremacy.

some developed country also follow this race supremacy attitude. i bet you already know who they are. some good example comes from the country who claims that they're a lot better than others in the region because of supa powah brainwashing orange chemicals.