Malaysia: First World By 2020?

[Gibbs]

Even if Kra canal is finished, no other countries in region who can providing first rate port services and first rate investment regulation in shipping industries like Singapore. Thailand with their archaic regulation and Vietnam with their so-so services can't match Singapore.

Not to mention, Singapore for decades had been chosen as the central hub for Shipping lane and central trade at South East Asia region, been backed by many Nation with powerful military and intensive lobbys from various mega corporation around the world. The tag of Israel from the East is just not for nothing

I'm not implying that Singapore will collapse just by opening of the canal.. They're economy is more diversified now and will be able to withstand the effect on shipping somewhat

But the very success of Singapore was based on it's strategic location at the tip of the Malacca straits, So with the canal coming in to operation, Circumnavigating the straits will not be necessary.. Saves time and money, And it's a bit treacherous,

So in the long run Singapore will definitely loose out on it, Especially if the proposed infrastructure port projects materialize along indochina

 

[Nike]

even if Cra canal can cut the operating distances, the fact is that's not so great distances. And cost in shipping industries is not only depend on fuel when the ships is sailing, other is when the ships must docking at ports and docks. And in ASEAN region, Singapore is already gain the fame as a country who can provide world class shipping and ports facilities with all world class regulation and management.

 

[prima99]

even if Cra canal can cut the operating distances, the fact is that's not so great distances. And cost in shipping industries is not only depend on fuel when the ships is sailing, other is when the ships must docking at ports and docks. And in ASEAN region, Singapore is already gain the fame as a country who can provide world class shipping and ports facilities with all world class regulation and management.

i doubt that. kra canal were proposed even knowing that singap provides world class shipping. in short, even if singap has world class shipping and ports, it's not much of a big deal. kra canal were proposed to cut operating distances and that's what important in maritime circumnavigation.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Even if Kra canal is finished, no other countries in region who can providing first rate port services and first rate investment regulation in shipping industries like Singapore. Thailand with their archaic regulation and Vietnam with their so-so services can't match Singapore.

Not to mention, Singapore for decades had been chosen as the central hub for Shipping lane and central trade at South East Asia region, been backed by many Nation with powerful military and intensive lobbys from various mega corporation around the world. The tag of Israel from the East is just not for nothing

You miss one important point, the VN port is backed by USA and build with US standard/ So, it will be as good as Sing's port. SK-JP's ships will dock in Viet's port instead of Sing's one to reduce the cost and time. CN ships may have to dock in VN's port to reduce the cost ,too.

So, MY-SIng's miracle will be gone soon.

 

[Nike]

i doubt that. kra canal were proposed even knowing that singap provides world class shipping. in short, even if singap has world class shipping and ports, it's not much of a big deal. kra canal were proposed to cut operating distances and that's what important in maritime circumnavigation.

how much operating distances to be cut with the opening of Kra Canal? a day or less than that ? it's a big deal for major shipping company? and how about loitering time at Vietnamese and Thailand ports, and compared them with loitering time at Singapore port? and how about other facilities like free tax, and other freebies the Singaporean can offer? can Vietnam and Thailand match them? and how about the security issue? as you can see Kra Canal is located at southern edge of Thailand, a nesting place for Muslim Insurgencies, you must add that's factor before speaking about shipping industries

 

[Gibbs]

even if Cra canal can cut the operating distances, the fact is that's not so great distances. And cost in shipping industries is not only depend on fuel when the ships is sailing, other is when the ships must docking at ports and docks. And in ASEAN region, Singapore is already gain the fame as a country who can provide world class shipping and ports facilities with all world class regulation and management.

I'm not sure you fully understand how global shipping work.. First of all given an option any shipping corporation will take the shortest route possible, Global trade goes not bank on fame but by money, The Kra canal would cut the navigational costs tremendously.. It will cut 1200km of distance between the Andaman sea to the Gulf of Thailand, Thats saving millions

Also this is basically a project to protect Chinese oil imports from the middle east and trade, Almost 99% of the cargo ships that will cross the canal would be heading to and from China, Where would you think they'd prefer to use ? Go around the Malacca straits or cut the distance by 1200 Km though Chinese funded canal ?

 

[Nike]

You miss one important point, the VN port is backed by USA and build with US standard/ So, it will be as good as Sing's port. SK-JP's ships will dock in Viet's port instead of Sing's one to reduce the cost and time. CN ships may have to dock in VN's port to reduce the cost ,too.

So, MY-SIng's miracle will be gone soon.

the last time i go to Singapore is in July, and i still see some US Navy warships in Singapore along with other USN facilities there, and i can tell Singapore ports is built in much better standard than New York and Boston ports standard

 

[prima99]

how much operating distances to be cut with the opening of Kra Canal? a day or less than that ? it's a big deal for major shipping company? and how about loitering time at Vietnamese and Thailand ports, and compared them with loitering time at Singapore port? and how about other facilities like free tax, and other freebies the Singaporean can offer? can Vietnam and Thailand match them? and how about the security issue? as you can see Kra Canal is located at southern edge of Thailand, a nesting place for Muslim Insurgencies, you must add that's factor before speaking about shipping industries

i did. don't forget about pirates in Malacca Straits too!

Piracy in the Strait of Malacca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

let's not start the Islamo stuff. they can be EVERYWHERE in the world. don't forget the fact that Malaysia is an islamic country too.

i don't need to repeat myself. like i said, it cuts distance. and what's so important about distance?

it's..
1. Time,
2. Time,
3. Time

 

[Viva_Viet]

the last time i go to Singapore is in July, and i still see some US Navy warships in Singapore along with other USN facilities there, and i can tell Singapore ports is built in much better standard than New York and Boston ports standard

VN port haven't completed yet, same thing to Kra canal, so, of course US ships will still stay in Sing.....until Kra canal open .

 

[Gibbs]

And this is not a recent project that just came up, Quite similar to the Hambantota port in Sri Lanka but been on the books for centuries, But colonialism and global power interests hampered such developments.. The simple notion that the British came to an agreement with the Siam king to stall the project in the 1800, Shows it's direct threat to Singapore

A canal through the Kra Isthmus, which would shorten shipping times around Asia, was suggested as early as 1677. Thai King Narai asked the French engineer de Lamar to survey the possibility of building a waterway to connect Songkhla with Marid (now Myanmar), but the idea was discarded as impractical with the technology of that time.[1]

In 1793, the idea resurfaced; the younger brother of King Chakri (Rama I) suggested it would make it easier to protect the west coast with military ships. In the early 19th century, the British East India Company became interested in a canal. After Burma became a British colony in 1863, an exploration was undertaken with Victoria Point (Kawthaung) opposite the Kra estuary as its southernmost point, again with negative result. In 1882, the constructor of the Suez canal, Ferdinand de Lesseps, visited the area, but the Thai king didw not allow him to investigate in detail. In 1897, Thailand and the British empire agreed not to build a canal so that the regional dominance of the harbour of Singapore would be maintained.

i did. don't forget about pirates in Malacca Straits too!

Piracy in the Strait of Malacca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

let's not start the Islamo stuff. they can be EVERYWHERE in the world. don't forget the fact that Malaysia is an islamic country too.

i don't need to repeat myself. like i said, it cuts distance. and what's so important about distance?

it's..
1. Time,
2. Time,
3. Time

And time is

1.Money
2.Money
3.Money

 

[prima99]

And this is not a recent project that just came up, Quite similar to the Hambantota port in Sri Lanka but been on the books for centuries, But colonialism and global power interests hampered such developments.. The simple notion that the British came to an agreement with the Siam king to stall the project in the 1800, Shows it's direct threat to Singapore





And time is

1.Money
2.Money
3.Money

E-x-a-c-t-l-y!

 

[DarkElf]

You are hard to understand.

You were saying countries that were colonized were better off. ..... now what is all that mumble jumble.

Huh? Where/when i was saying that county that colonized where better off?

That all mumble jumble if you read again, just to explain and give example of my point that it's not solely because of their people Sgp can success, the way country get their independence does matter too.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Look at the distance that being cut from Panama canal & Suez canal development... they're huge... economicaly justified. Now look at the distance that can be cut from Kra canal... not so much...

 

[Nike]

Look at the distance that being cut from Panama canal & Suez canal development... they're huge... economicaly justified. Now look at the distance that can be cut from Kra canal... not so much...

not worth the cost, it's only a dream Kra canal can made trio ASEAN Islands like Indo-SG-Malay suffer so much

 

[prima99]

not worth the cost, it's only a dream Kra canal can made trio ASEAN Islands like Indo-SG-Malay suffer so much

ROFL how can such small canal would make Indonesia suffers? we're literally keeping Australia, New Zealand, PNG, and Oceania hostages. would the creation of this canal damages Indonesia? nope. is that why you're so bitter about the canal issue, dude?