Malaysia: First World By 2020?

[Gibbs]

You are correct in general. During peak Chola dynasty in general, they had influence only over the North and East. Even raja raja only got as far as taking Anuradhapura kingdom. Extreme South of Ceylon still remained independent and resisted him.

However during the period of Rajendra Chola I is when Chola achieved their maximum direct territorial extent illustrated in the map...and also maximum influence in South East Asia.

Rajendra Chola I did conquer and annex the entire Sri Lanka for a short period.

Chola rule in Sri Lanka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The South Ruhuna yes but not the South West.. Sinhalese used the central highlands to much affect, Chola's could never penetrate that natural barrier, Centuries later they used the same natural fortifications to ward off the Portuguese, Dutch and British for centuries until the fall of Kandiyan Kingdom, Through internal conflict

you can always do yourself a favor and google it, the result will be another "that map is incorrect".

but regarding Chola Dynasty territory in Indonesia, it did correct as there aren't any traces of Chola in indonesia, so the map were right for this case.

Wikipedia is'nt exactly a very valid source of information

 

[Nilgiri]

Hahaha Malay as a race does not existed according to studies made public quite some time by both Singapore and Malaysia anthropologists supported by the Westerners. The so-called Austronesian is based on a theory that Malay migrated from Africa. That is a myth.

Yah I have heard these wingbat theories from various different cultures. Native Americans have postulated they were their own source as well. I have heard these fringe theories from Australian aborigines and various highly racist/nationalist groups who cannot accept they all originally trace their roots from the original African migration of Homo Sapiens Sapiens species.

I will stick with the mainstream accepted scientific view thank you very much.

You obviously have not read into any detail about the original African migration.

I have already given you a clue. Where are all the descendants of the so-called Austronesian in Africa? Malay do not have any distinct markers in their DNA unlike the other races.

Uh sure they do.

To quote: Genetic studies have been done on the people and related groups.[39] The Haplogroup O1 (Y-DNA)a-M119 genetic marker is frequently detected in Austronesians, as well as some non-Austronesian populations in southernChina.[40] Other genetic markers found in native Austronesian populations are Haplogroup C (Y-DNA), Haplogroup O2a (Y-DNA), and Haplogroup O3 (Y-DNA).

Austronesian peoples - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you implying that Malays are a native, independent source of Homo Sapiens Sapiens like African Rift Valley? Are you Malay BTW?

I am too lazy to find those info. as they can easily be found in the internet. Please do your own rersearch.

Yah, wingbat "bumiputra"-racist sources that have no mainstream acceptance. You are free to believe in these fringe theories all you want....they can be found for pretty much every type of Race on this planet when they want to deny their common source (from Africa) for whatever reason.

Very convenient that you are too lazy to post the sources, seeing how they will probably be ridiculed as soon as you post them.

The Malay migrated from Yunnan and their forefather is the Miao tribes who are also practitioners of SHAMANISM or BOMOH or in Indonesia called Chahaya or something like that. Now they incorporated it into Islam in Malaysia. That is why the orang asli in Malaysia practice these distinct black magic found in Southern China.

OK, and do you accept these Yunnan Miao people came from the original African migration. All genetic roads lead back to the Ethiopian highlands/Rift valley....remember that!

Before you said that Malays have no genetic markers and now you are saying they come from Yunnan. How do you think scientists traced them back to Yunnan/Taiwan/Southern China genius? Genetic markers!

 

[prima99]

Hahaha Malay as a race does not existed according to studies made public quite some time by both Singapore and Malaysia anthropologists supported by the Westerners. The so-called Austronesian is based on a theory that Malay migrated from Africa. That is a myth.

I have already given you a clue. Where are all the descendants of the so-called Austronesian in Africa? Malay do not have any distinct markers in their DNA unlike the other races.

I am too lazy to find those info. as they can easily be found in the internet. Please do your own rersearch.

The truth is out there somewhere.

The Malay migrated from Yunnan and their forefather is the Miao tribes who are also practitioners of SHAMANISM or BOMOH or in Indonesia called Chahaya or something like that. Now they incorporated it into Islam in Malaysia. That is why the orang asli in Malaysia practice these distinct black magic found in Southern China.

or you can't find the source.

i can easily internet it out for similiar sources like this

or this

or this

or this

or this

or this

or this

or this

oops! image limit reached. anyway i'm done dealing with you today.

here is your fact from the internet that you told me to look for it! it goes well with Chilli Crap too! enjoy!

Wikipedia is'nt exactly a very valid source of information

so does the majority of internet contents

 

[Nilgiri]

nope, i'm not. i don't quite get about this africa thing either as i said before. yes i do know that human migrates from africa. however the discovered 20.000 years old structure would like to say some things too. it is currently the oldest Megalithic site ever discovered (according to the scientists)

OK, thanks for clearing that up. They will have to study it more precisely till we can conclusively say if its the oldest ever (say older than Egyptian, Sumerian and Mehrgarh original hearth structures. These are the 3 mainstream oldest areas of human civilisation.

From your own article:

Volcanologist Sutikno Bronto believes that the structure isn’t a pyramid at all, but the neck of an old volcano and that the stones surveyed have been weathered by nature instead of being cut by humans.

Another anonymous expert is sceptical that such an ancient civilisation could have been advanced enough to build a pyramid so many thousands of years ago, when tools recovered from a nearby cave, dating to 7,000 BC were very primitive.

 

[Place Of Space]

Hahaha Malay as a race does not existed according to studies made public quite some time by both Singapore and Malaysia anthropologists supported by the Westerners. The so-called Austronesian is based on a theory that Malay migrated from Africa. That is a myth.

I have already given you a clue. Where are all the descendants of the so-called Austronesian in Africa? Malay do not have any distinct markers in their DNA unlike the other races.

I am too lazy to find those info. as they can easily be found in the internet. Please do your own rersearch.

The truth is out there somewhere.

The Malay migrated from Yunnan and their forefather is the Miao tribes who are also practitioners of SHAMANISM or BOMOH or in Indonesia called Chahaya or something like that. Now they incorporated it into Islam in Malaysia. That is why the orang asli in Malaysia practice these distinct black magic found in Southern China.

Very interesting. Language was power. If Malay written language can't originate back to their migration routine, nobody else can help them. All just are outsiders' deduction.

 

[Gibbs]

or you can't find the source.

i can easily internet it out for similiar sources like this



or this

So did Suriname get it's Malay origin population through the Dutch colonization ? It's the same with the Malay and Javanese populations of Ceylon.. Fascinating

Same with how the British colonists deposited South Indians to Sri Lanka, Malaya, Fiji , South Africa to Guyana and Trinidad

 

[Place Of Space]

or you can't find the source.

i can easily internet it out for similiar sources like this

or this

or this

or this

or this

or this

or this

or this

oops! image limit reached. anyway i'm done dealing with you today.

here is your fact from the internet that you told me to look for it! it goes well with Chilli Crap too! enjoy!



so does the majority of internet contents

The map is so weird. The Australia continent is so obvious there, why all of them just ignore the huge island and migrated to those pacific little islands?

 

[Nilgiri]

The South Ruhuna yes but not the South West.. Sinhalese used the central highlands to much affect, Chola's could never penetrate that natural barrier, Centuries later they used the same natural fortifications to ward off the Portuguese, Dutch and British for centuries until the fall of Kandiyan Kingdom, Through internal conflict

Interesting. Do you have a neutral source for this?

How big is this SW area that was never taken?

I have always read that Rajendra Chola took over the entire Sri Lanka

Chola dynasty | India | Britannica.com

Quote:

His son Rajendracola Deva I (reigned 1014–44) outdid Rajaraja’s achievements. He placed a son on the throne at Madurai, completed the conquest of Sri Lanka, overran the Deccan (c. 1021), and in 1023 sent an expedition to the north that penetrated to the Ganges (Ganga) River and brought Ganges water to the new capital, Gangaikondacolapuram. He conquered portions of the Malay Peninsula and the Malay Archipelago.

Wikipedia is'nt exactly a very valid source of information

Verbatim I agree. Hence why we must look at the base references of the wiki page.

 

[Borr]

You guys should not think that Africa thing as a linear one-direction motion.

Different peoples moves back and forth all the time in a few thousand years, the direction can oscillate multiple times. Think about how many time the peoples in your own area changed in the last 2000 years.

 

[Nilgiri]

The map is so weird. The Australia continent is so obvious there, why all of them just ignore the huge island and migrated to those pacific little islands?

Australia and New Guinea are two large landmasses with domestic Melanesian populations from an earlier wave of migration. Hence any austronesian landings here interbred and assimilated with the local Melanesian majority.....and only small traces at best can be found there compared to the uninhabited islands in the Pacific and Madagascar area (at that time).

 

[prima99]

So did Suriname get it's Malay origin population through the Dutch colonization ? It's the same with the Malay and Javanese populations of Ceylon.. Fascinating

Same with how the British colonists deposited South Indians to Sri Lanka, Malaya, Fiji , South Africa to Guyana and Trinidad

they aren't malay, they are Austronesians. Malay is austronesians just like the Philippines, Indonesians, Hawaiian, and others. about madagascar, they've been travelling there from the ancient times. see the face of the current Madagascar President.

btw you can always relate his name "Andry Rajoelina" to other names in indonesia as well

for Suriname's case, they're brought there by the Dutch during the colonial age.

Javanese Surinamese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The map is so weird. The Australia continent is so obvious there, why all of them just ignore the huge island and migrated to those pacific little islands?

many reasons. it could be that the Australia continent isn't as nice as it was ages ago.

do you know why the englishmen made the continent to banish english criminals and prostitutes? and why it has to be in the Australia? there goes your answer

 

[Gibbs]

Interesting. Do you have a neutral source for this?

How big is this SW area that was never taken?

I have always read that Rajendra Chola took over the entire Sri Lanka

Chola dynasty | India | Britannica.com

Quote:

His son Rajendracola Deva I (reigned 1014–44) outdid Rajaraja’s achievements. He placed a son on the throne at Madurai, completed the conquest of Sri Lanka, overran the Deccan (c. 1021), and in 1023 sent an expedition to the north that penetrated to the Ganges (Ganga) River and brought Ganges water to the new capital, Gangaikondacolapuram. He conquered portions of the Malay Peninsula and the Malay Archipelago.



Verbatim I agree. Hence why we must look at the base references of the wiki page.

Shall do some searching.. When Ruhuna was sacked it was to the South West that the Sinhalese fled to regroup, You may even notice if you have visited the island that even Hindu influence very much less than rest of the island in the South Western area's, It's because it was a Sinhalese stronghold with very little influence from South India

 

[Nilgiri]

You guys should not think that Africa thing as a linear one-direction motion.

Different peoples moves back and forth all the time in a few thousand years, the direction can oscillate multiple times. Think about how many time the peoples in your own area changed in the last 2000 years.

Correct. Exact migration process and routes and times are still being discovered/analysed today. It is quite complex.

However no one can deny (yet) that humanity itself originated in Africa (from scientific perspective).

Same with how the British colonists deposited South Indians to Sri Lanka, Malaya, Fiji , South Africa to Guyana and Trinidad

Yah British definitely transported Indians all around.

Though the selective majority depositing of South Indians in general only really happened in Sri Lanka and Malaya. The other areas have a good majority of North Indian peoples from Gangetic or Northern Deccan areas. Thats why if you go to Fiji, Mauritius and Guyana etc. it is mostly a dialect of Hindi/Bhojpuri spoken by the Indian-origin populace though there is some South Indian presence too. Compare this with Malaya and Sri Lanka where the indian related people mostly speak Tamil (with notable exceptions of course especially in Malaya).

There was also of course an earlier south Indian presence in malaya and Sri Lanka especially from earlier migrations/invasions/trade/intermixing etc... so there are a few "waves" of South Indians in this regard too....not just from British transplanting. In fact the later transplanting of almost solely South Indian people by British in these two areas might have been due to the earlier waves having occurred and a cultural presence already established which was simply expanded by the British.

There is also the most recent "migration" of Indians to Sri Lanka under post-colonial era....i.e the expat Indians you find in places like Colombo.

 

[Gibbs]

Correct. Exact migration process and routes and times are still being discovered/analysed today. It is quite complex.

However no one can deny (yet) that humanity itself originated in Africa (from scientific perspective).



Yah British definitely transported Indians all around.

Though the selective majority depositing of South Indians in general only really happened in Sri Lanka and Malaya. The other areas have a good majority of North Indian peoples from Gangetic or Northern Deccan areas. Thats why if you go to Fiji, Mauritius and Guyana etc. it is mostly a dialect of Hindi/Bhojpuri spoken by the Indian-origin populace though there is some South Indian presence too. Compare this with Malaya and Sri Lanka where the indian related people mostly speak Tamil (with notable exceptions of course especially in Malaya).

There was also of course an earlier south Indian presence in malaya and Sri Lanka especially from earlier migrations/invasions/trade/intermixing etc... so there are a few "waves" of South Indians in this regard too....not just from British transplanting. In fact the later transplanting of almost solely South Indian people by British in these two areas might have been due to the earlier waves having occurred and a cultural presence already established which was simply expanded by the British.

There is also the most recent "migration" of Indians to Sri Lanka under post-colonial era....i.e the expat Indians you find in places like Colombo.

No i agree.. I was specifically referring to those South Indians bought over as indentured labor first by the Dutch and then by the British in the 16th and later the 19th centuries.. There are native well long established Tamil population in the island by migration and by trade and invasions

Actually from my experience majority of South African and Guyanese Indians have distinct South Indian sounding names and even features

 

[Place Of Space]

they aren't malay, they are Austronesians. Malay is austronesians just like the Philippines, Indonesians, Hawaiian, and others. about madagascar, they've been travelling there from the ancient times. see the face of the current Madagascar President.

btw you can always relate his name "Andry Rajoelina" to other names in indonesia as well

for Suriname's case, they're brought there by the Dutch during the colonial age.

Javanese Surinamese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



many reasons. it could be that the Australia continent isn't as nice as it was ages ago.

do you know why the englishmen made the continent to banish english criminals and prostitutes? and why it has to be in the Australia? there goes your answer

I thought it's far away from England, those criminals lost all chances back to hometown.