Malala’s attacker was held, freed in 2009: sources

[Jango]

The difference only appears after guilt is proven. Otherwise all both the things are an accusation.

You want courts to start handing out sentences just because someone makes an accusation against them?

It's an accusation against a guy caught in a active war zone. Nobody goes to FATA and Waziristan to do sight-seeing!!!

It is an accusation against a guy caught making a bomb.

Okay, for one second it is granted that there isn't enough proof against other folks, but what more proof do you need against Lal Masjid Mullah?

 

[Icarus]

Everything has to be dealt case by case.

By the way its dreadfully wrong to say we don't have any convictions on terrorism. One of our ex-Mods actually took it upon himself to meticulously document terrorism convictions. We have a pretty extensive thread on that.

Who are those judges who don't care about their lives and are giving sentences against terrorists till now?

This no conviction bull crap is typical Indian propaganda. Humara media thaka hua hai, that doesn't highlight things properly. Convictions are there, where they fail are ALWAYS the fault of the prosecution. Koi tees maar khaan defence lawyer unko nahi bacha raha.

The best conviction we have is for the guy who attacked Musharraf, he pleaded guilty and referred to the president as a "Kafir" in court. He was handed down a life sentence and was broken out of prisoner earlier this year, now enjoying celebrity status in NWA.

 

[Leader]

So much for 'lanat' on the faces of government, political parties, courts as well civilians.

Let the army and intelligence do their job, by any means we wish for. The 'missing persons' cases are same as this, once the courts give them bail, we are let with no choice but to kidnap them and keep in our military jails. They are a threat to the people of the country, and unless we do something, nothing will change. But well, if you think otherwise, then you are paying for what you sow i.e. are against the military secretly arresting militants.

apparently he was held by Pakistan Army during the operation. So the lanat goes back and I become a troll

 

[FaujHistorian]

This is what Malala's father said to a news reporter.

''We had terrorists in our valley,'' he told me. ''They wanted to negate our right to culture and poetry, and they wanted to destroy the special musical heritage of our valley. They want to impose their culture on us.''

Then Yousafzai got to the point that most disturbed him: Pakistan's political leaders were failing to tell their own people that the Taliban presented a mortal threat, and could only drag the country backward.


Read more: A trigger for Pakistan

And yet our Taliban Khan and his internet poodles want to hug and kiss the Talibaboons.

Strange. Isn't it?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

This is what Malala's father said to a news reporter.

''We had terrorists in our valley,'' he told me. ''They wanted to negate our right to culture and poetry, and they wanted to destroy the special musical heritage of our valley. They want to impose their culture on us.''

Then Yousafzai got to the point that most disturbed him: Pakistan's political leaders were failing to tell their own people that the Taliban presented a mortal threat, and could only drag the country backward.


Read more: A trigger for Pakistan

And yet our Taliban Khan and his internet poodles want to hug and kiss the Talibaboons.

Strange. Isn't it?

I never quite understood why such a progressive , forward thinking , well-spoken and well travelled man like Imran would have any soft corner for the Talibs . Any logical explanation ?

 

[Last Hope]

This is what Malala's father said to a news reporter.

''We had terrorists in our valley,'' he told me. ''They wanted to negate our right to culture and poetry, and they wanted to destroy the special musical heritage of our valley. They want to impose their culture on us.''

Then Yousafzai got to the point that most disturbed him: Pakistan's political leaders were failing to tell their own people that the Taliban presented a mortal threat, and could only drag the country backward.


Read more: A trigger for Pakistan

And yet our Taliban Khan and his internet poodles want to hug and kiss the Talibaboons.

Strange. Isn't it?

Taliban Khan? You mean Imran Khan?

Well, Imran Khan is a Pakhtoon and he would not allow any damage to his cousins. That is natural, not political. Initially, the units in KPK denied any participation in operation, as they would be fighting their own brothers and cousins, so units from other places were called in.

 

[FaujHistorian]

I never quite understood why such a progressive , forward thing , well-spoken and well travelled man like Imran would have any soft corner for the Talibs . Any logical explanation ?

To get a jist of his odd thinking, watch his youtube interview with the turkish guy.

In that interview it is strange to see how two Marxists were having intellectual orgasms about the so called "welfare" state.

A lot of educated elite in Pakistan believe in the mumbo jumbo history of Khalifa rashideen's economy and the so called welfare state. So they get down to creating one whenever they get a chance.

Imran too has a colored vision of Islamo-socialism not unlike zulfi bhutto.

That's why he will always support Islamists aka Taliban, and socialists aka Noam chomsky.


Hope this helps.

 

[Icarus]

Taliban Khan? You mean Imran Khan?

Well, Imran Khan is a Pakhtoon and he would not allow any damage to his cousins. That is natural, not political. Initially, the units in KPK denied any participation in operation, as they would be fighting their own brothers and cousins, so units from other places were called in.

He's a non-Pushto speaking Pukhtoon.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Taliban Khan? You mean Imran Khan?

Well, Imran Khan is a Pakhtoon and he would not allow any damage to his cousins. That is natural, not political. Initially, the units in KPK denied any participation in operation, as they would be fighting their own brothers and cousins, so units from other places were called in.

Imran khan born and bread in Punjab to parents who were born and bread in Punjab to forefathers who spoke Hindko (Punjabi dialect) is as Pashtoon as the "Bombay Khans" of the Bollywood (or is it Mollywood now).

So let's not bring the ethnic $hit in this thread.

Taliban Khan supports Taliban who in turn kill 1000s of Pashtoons. Na! You are off track buddy.

Imran supports Taliban no because he is a Pashtoon, but because he is a Punjabi-born-bread-Islamist no unlike Mansoora (Lahore) Jamatis.


Hope this helps.

 

[Peregrine]

When you are fighting a guerilla war, this is the biggest limitation for armed forces; you cant go around nabbing every person you consider suspicious, unless the accusations can be proven in the court of law.

 

[Developereo]

Why not try them in military courts but have an anonymous panel of civilian judges to oversee the process?

 

[Developereo]

I never quite understood why such a progressive , forward thinking , well-spoken and well travelled man like Imran would have any soft corner for the Talibs . Any logical explanation ?

Imran Khan doesn't support the Taliban; he supports the rule of law. The concept may seem quaint and inappropriate to people caught up in emotions, but it is precisely at these times that a true leader must hold true to core principles.

Only dictatorships bomb their own citizens en masse; civilized countries use a more nuanced approach where the hardcore elements are hunted down, their recruitment centers are decommissioned, and the redeemable followers are reeducated into mainstream society. This is precisely Imran Khan's plan.

 

[Jango]

Why not try them in military courts but have an anonymous panel of civilian judges to oversee the process?

This should be seriously considered.

Another option is to hide the whole trial, do the trials in some undisclosed location secretly and behind walls so that a trial did take place, but nobody knew about it. And when somebody in the judiciary or some other place inquires, you can say that you did indeed have a court proceeding.

 

[Developereo]

This should be seriously considered.

Another option is to hide the whole trial, do the trials in some undisclosed location secretly and behind walls so that a trial did take place, but nobody knew about it. And when somebody in the judiciary or some other place inquires, you can say that you did indeed have a court proceeding.

Transparent, albeit anonymous, civilian oversight is necessary to stem concerns about abuse of power.

 

[Jango]

Transparent, albeit anonymous, civilian oversight is necessary to stem concerns about abuse of power.

Along with the method of trial, evidence collecting procedures also need to be rectified.

An example is of that law that is still waiting in parliament at this moment AFAIK. MNA's are busy debating other less important things rather than just passing this law that will allow electronic evidence to be permissible in court.