Make in India' for 90 medium combat jets

[Viper0011.]

NEW DELHI: In another major step towards self reliance in the defence sector, a plan is being finalised to produce 90 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) in India, informed sources said.

According to the sources, the air force does not have enough squadrons in the event of a joint war with Pakistan and China..

So does India expect the Chinese and Pakistan to stop procure more jets overtime so they can maintain this parity that they are looking for? What happens if both the Chinese and the Pakistanis procure more jets????

This fever of parity will never end. Its sad to see a country with over half a BILLION people without basic needs, just focusing too much on being a military muscle guy, without having the genetics for it (economy and public welfare at a specific level like its in the US, the West, in Israel and in China).

 

[CrazyEagle9]

From this link and what dassault's CEO has said ( L'Inde abandonne le contrat MMRCA, Défense - Actualité aéronautique ::: Le Journal de l'Aviation) my thoughts are,

• New deal will also go to dassault
• In new deal, dassault will be in control and free to choose Indian partner ( in previous deal, clause was to have HAL as partner)
• That's why new tender ( to change conditions regarding partnership as "Make In India" program)

I believe dassault may choose some private player as a manufacturing partner instead of HAL. If it is true, then it's actually a good initiative.

 

[Sarjen29]

So does India expect the Chinese and Pakistan to stop procure more jets overtime so they can maintain this parity that they are looking for?

how did you get into this from that??? Jesus your mind is broken, ain't it.

So we'll buy more jets...and better ones. do tell me why US is building thousands of jets when u don't even have a enemy who share your border.. India share borders with 2 nuclear powered enemy states.. we need to safeguard and ready our self. best example why the f you people started to mount nuclear weapons in thousands of numbers during cold war???

And the country with a super power status need to spend money on the social welfare, health care for it citizens.. don't mind about us, we're a third world country with corruption and so on, (by the way you're crazy to think that with all the problem indoor, we shouln't spent money on the defence to safeguard the nation,) while you're a super power who's citizens are becoming crazy that they'll take guns to the schools,colleges and streets and spray the bullets on innocent people... so Ask your government to cut short some fighters and set up more mental hospitals.

 

[Viper0011.]

how did you get into this from that??? Jesus your mind is broken, ain't it.
So we'll buy more jets...and better ones. do tell me why US is building thousands of jets
And the country with a super power status need to spend money on the social welfare, health care for it citizens.. don't mind about us, .

Response to your line number 1: Care to explain the rationale and logic behind maintaining X amounts of squadrons for a "two front war"?

2): You lost the argument the SECOND your brought the US into the discussion. How about when your economy grows 50% of the size of the US economy, you let me know and we'll talk and then we can discuss why the US is building thousands of jets and all. The US has about 330 million people and they ALL have access to all nice basic necessities of life, including Beds and Bathrooms!!!

In India, over 600 million people as of TODAY, don't have proper bedding, bathroom and other basic necessities in life. So when you provide those and come closer to the US in providing quality of life to your citizens; you can start to compare yourself with the US. Till then, sadly, you are a third world country and your government, instead of helping its citizens, is in a weapons buying fever.

You know what your leaders can actually do if they wanted to REALLY help average Indian people? They'd ask the Chinese and the Pakistanis to do a no war pact for 20-30 years, or a economic zone setup arrangement like the European Union. The ENTIRE half the world in this region alone would benefit from it. But NO, why do that? Let's keep building jets and the hell with average Indian citizen, but let's be ready for a "two front war" while over 600 million people don't have access to basic necessities in life!!!

 

[Sarjen29]

Response to your line number 1: Care to explain the rationale and logic behind maintaining X amounts of squadrons for a "two front war"?

X amount of squad to stop enemy's offense( I know its not a land battle, but IAF has their own strategy) .. Just like enemy need 3:1 to beat the opponent in the land given the terrain

 

[Viper0011.]

X amount of squad to stop enemy's offense( I know its not a land battle, but IAF has their own strategy) .. Just like enemy need 3:1 to beat the opponent in the land given the terrain

Ok genius, I think my dog sitting next to me understood there was a ratio needed when I read the thing out loud to him. What I was asking was that what was that ratio like that the IAF is after? Like the Pakistanis shoot for 2:1 India: Pakistan. If you don't know it, just say so and its ok to be a fan boy and not know stuff. We deal with those folks every day!!

 

[OrionHunter]

Whatever happened to the FGFA project??

It's a chaotic situation beyond comprehension! Or is it a strategy to confuse the enemy?

 

[Sarjen29]

2): You lost the argument the SECOND your brought the US into the discussion. How about when your economy grows 50% of the size of the US economy, you let me know and we'll talk and then we can discuss why the US is building thousands of jets and all. The US has about 330 million people and they ALL have access all nice basic necessities of life, including Beds and Bathrooms!!!

No... i never lost..When We grow our economy 50% of yours we'll by more jets in accordance with the cash we have. we spend 2.3 % of GDP for our Defence while you spend upto 4.6%.. you should reduce that spend t on mental hospitals.

No they Ain't.. not all of them, i see lots of people live in the cars, secure a motel for a night and another for a next day.. i even see beggars who shouldn't be because acc to the Americans they're Super power with big Economy, they all got basic necessity and so.

 

[C130]

is it Rafale ?
is it typhoon ?
is it Gripen ?
is it Pak Fa ?

30 billion $ is damn expensive for 90 aircrafts.
thats a 1 billion $ for 3 aircrafts

F-18 ASH=$65 million=less than $5.8 billion+ other small stuff like weapons and building maintenance center=less than $8 billion total.

F-18 can serve as a dual role. either as a land fighter or based from Indian future aircraft carriers.

 

[sathya]

F-18 ASH=$65 million=less than $5.8 billion+ other small stuff like weapons and building maintenance center=less than $8 billion total.

F-18 can serve as a dual role. either as a land fighter or based from Indian future aircraft carriers.

That's good but selling point would be 100% tot ie sanction proof
Will USA agree to that ?

 

[Sarjen29]

In India, over 600 million people as of TODAY, don't have proper bedding, bathroom and other basic necessities in life. So when you provide those and come closer to the US in providing quality of life to your citizens; you can start to compare yourself with the US. Till then, sadly, you are a third world country and your government, instead of helping its citizens, is in a weapons buying fever.

So like i said.. we've problem inside so that doesn't mean we shouldn't spent money to keep safe the border.. Let Mexico and get Nukes and threaten to attack US then you'll know the pain of it.

You know we've one of the largest social welfare program and its effects are taking place. India is one of the coutry to reduce poverty faster than any other country in Asia and Africa, google that first then come and try to bad mouth.

I'm not comparing, I'm showing you even with the Super status you've social problems. Again go learn about our social welfare programs and come and talk... India has a huge population, it'll take years to completely reduce them.

 

[Bang Galore]

F-18 ASH=$65 million=less than $5.8 billion+ other small stuff like weapons and building maintenance center=less than $8 billion total.

F-18 can serve as a dual role. either as a land fighter or based from Indian future aircraft carriers.

Why I thought the MMRCA tender was a messed up one. Would have liked an F-18 quote for the whole tender & then compare it to Rafale's quote. The Rafale may be the better aircraft but I would have liked to know how much more we would have paid for that difference. The Rafale is atleast twice as costly as the SH (by your figures, 3 times as costly), also would have liked to see the F-35's cost against the Rafale's. $200+ million for the Rafale is pretty absurd.

 

[Sarjen29]

You know what your leaders can actually do if they wanted to REALLY help average Indian people? They'd ask the Chinese and the Pakistanis to do a no war pact for 20-30 years, or a economic zone setup arrangement like the European Union. The ENTIRE half the world in this region alone would benefit from it. But NO, why do that? Let's keep building jets and hell with the average Indian citizen, but let's be ready for a "two front war" while over 600 million people don't have access to basic necessities in life!!!

Ya.. and Pakistanis would be happy to accept it.. We've signed amount of Agreements, tryig peace talk but next day there'll be fight in the border.. you don't know nothing about Indian-Pakiskitan tensions so don't go into that topic. Pakistan add new new Anti-indian stands evry year. and we're not at war to sign such a deals.

We've SAARC but every step that's taken to improve economy of the saarc nations were countered by pakistan becasue it benefits India more than that benefits pakistan. So now we started to by pass Pakistan and trying to focus on BD,Nepal,Bhutan by land and Afganistan from land and sea routes

 

[C130]

That's good but selling point would be 100% tot ie sanction proof
Will USA agree to that ?

no one would give 100% ToT besides maybe the Swedes.

but I can say maybe 50% ToT and 50% offset.


Indian needs help with making it's own engines. ToT on the F-414 would save India a lot of trouble.

 

[Sarjen29]

Ok genius, I think my dog sitting next to me understood there was a ratio needed when I read the thing out loud to him. What I was asking was that what was that ratio like that the IAF is after? Like the Pakistanis shoot for 2:1 India: Pakistan. If you don't know it, just say so and its ok to be a fan boy and not know stuff. We deal with those folks every day!!

From Tibet China can put around 20 same with pakistan from all its bases around 25 may be. you get the msg why AF need certain no of jets