Djinn
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I said it might lead to the development of one.The only thing that is proven here is that, you didn't grasp my post. Perhaps they will bring some changes to the design, so i have to disagree with you on this.Hi,
There is no such thing as a 5th generation version of JF17----. That clearly shows that you have no clue what te term means----. JF17 will end as a 4--4.5 gen aircraft---that is the limit of the design.
I am sorry you have erected a long tirade of your subjective beliefs and targeted me for not having enough understanding of the situation, but what you yourself have overlooked is the fact that Pakistan-India environment doesn't bear any resemblance with what Iraqi's did and what the Germans did. NUCLEAR ENVIRONMENT is not a cyber play ground where cyber-warriors can easily fight any war they desire. A note out of history, Ever since Pakistan has acquired f-16's have they ever gone head to head against IAF..............Do you know why that didn't happen?This does not put to rest any claims that it was the right aircraft.
This would have been a right aircraft when the nation had FREE time and no threats from the enemy. It in itself is not the right aircraft to fulfill the need of the defense of Pakistan----because it has miniscule strike capabilities which are all defensive in nature.
The Iraqis suffered in the first gulf war---because they made it a DEFENSIVE war----they dug in and waited for the enemy----.
The German----were ploughing thru in Europe till they build a defensive line on the beaches of france.
Our measly navy----they died 2500 miles away---waging war on the other side of India---in the submarine hunting for the indian assets-----our soldiers died on the other side of the border during kargil----and our frigging air force wants to fight on our soil----?
Why----because they want to be called a defensive air force----defensive my ar-se----these guys are being led by cowards----that is what the air force has been for the last many years----.
14 years it has been and still no air superiority fighter to compete and take down the enemy one on one---nt a single aircraft that the enemy is concerned about----.
I don't give a sh-it about the slogan of the PAF we will give our live for the country----I want a slogan that we will kill the enemy in the land of the enemy----.
I don't give a sh-it about the slogan of we will give them a bloody nose----I want a slogan that we will smash them to kingdom come---.
Who gives a diddly sh-it about gaining knowledge with a puny little aircraft when we have to face 240 monster breathing death and destruction from everywhere.
This R&D is for those who have FREE TIME----or when you have secured your assets with the right aircraft and then you can develop these kind of aircraft.
So---400 million in development of this aircraft
20 million a piece----a total of 70 JF 17----being built and in operation----1.5 Billion dollars
So----for 14 years----is this what we have to show for-----2 Billion dollars of procurement that is all------
You don't even qualify to WIPE YOUR OWN NOSE YET----where come the no losing of your sleep----.
You have to know and understand the levels of threat that is being faced to lose sleep----if you are totally clueless---then off course----what losing of sleep---you can party 24/7 and have a good time because it matters nothing to you because you cannot comprehend the threat.
When you say there is gonna come a barrage of super duper high tech Indian jets from across the border, then to validate your subjectivity, you will have to mention under which circumstance would that ever happen in a nuclear environment.
Block3 is around the corner and the fact that PAF has been able to bring in some of the most advanced features, speaks volumes of how valuable experience and R&D are. Sorry to say but your stance is utterly flawed, If that was correct Pakistan would have upgraded F-16's to the block 70's level by now but that didn't happen, because it was not our aircraft, but JF is and is the the only best option Pakistan has got unless Pakistan goes for any other aircraft with full ToT.