Lucky I wasn't raped and murdered: Read Haryana IAS officer's daughter's harrowing tale

[LeGenD]

I cant. You have left me totally outmatched with your experience. I feel like all this time that i was raising my daughters for 24 years all gone to waste.

I am sorry but you lost me at your post (#130 in this thread). My remark was: I don't buy silly Feminist narratives anymore.

And what was your response to me again?

Do you understand what Feminism is about? You clearly don't. Please go through following articles to get an idea:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebec...omen-dont-need-your-protection_b_9301836.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/magazine/do-women-need-legislative-protection.html

Feminism is an ideological movement that challenges traditional notions of gender in a society and is pushing for "gender equality" in a society in true sense of the word.

You may also need to check remarks of female members in this thread:

"Most of time , the male refuse to allow you for the education and job . This is what am pointing at , it's the face of our society where a woman's life has to be obedient to the males ." (post # 99)

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"I was pointing at that women doesn't need to have ask a male for their decisions in life . It's her life she is looking for a living so why does she need to ask for your approval ." (post # 99)

Feminism 101

They are demanding equality (of opportunity) and freedom (in decision-making). They are not craving male-guardianship. They are sick and tired of this patriarchal thought.

And here you are, trying to berate me for my views without any grasp of Feminist ideology and misreading my statements.

 

[salarsikander]

I am sorry but you lost me at your post (#130 in this thread). My remark was: I don't buy silly Feminist narratives anymore.

And what was your response to me?

Do you understand what Feminism is about? You clearly don't.

Please go through following articles:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebec...omen-dont-need-your-protection_b_9301836.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/magazine/do-women-need-legislative-protection.html

Feminism is an ideological movement that challenges traditional notions of gender in a society and is pushing for gender equality in true sense of the word.

You may also need to check remarks of female members in this thread:

"Most of time , the male refuse to allow you for the education and job . This is what am pointing at , it's the face of our society where a woman's life has to be obedient to the males ." (post # 99)

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"I was pointing at that women doesn't need to have ask a male for their decisions in life . It's her life she is looking for a living so why does she need to ask for your approval ." (post # 99)

Feminism 101

They are demanding equality of opportunity and freedom in decision-making. They are not craving male-guardianship. They are sick and tired of this patriarchal thought.

This reminds me of my schools days when we used to have the petty arguments about who is best, girls or boys. This time wrapped up in cloak of modernism lacking total class and gentlemanship. I will ignore and pass since my arguments will hardly bring any difference to you or your understanding. Good luck and lets just all strive to make world a better place for our future generations

 

[LeGenD]

This reminds me of my schools days when we used to have the petty arguments about who is best, girls or boys. This time wrapped up in cloak of modernism lacking total class and gentlemanship. I will ignore and pass since my arguments will hardly bring any difference to you or your understanding. Good luck and lets just all strive to make world a better place for our future generations

Problem is that you continue to miss my point. I am trying to make my views clear to you but you are not seeing it.

Your freakishly judgmental mindset is a problem and not a demonstration of class and gentlemanship - words that you love to parrot around but fall short in acting upon.

 

[salarsikander]

Your freakishly judgmental mindset is a problem

Sure which is why you have no takers here

 

[LeGenD]

Sure which is why you have no takers here

I am not craving likes and patronage for my views here; they are not a benchmark of truthfulness and fairness.

You failed to challenge my points and you resorted to taking jabs at me which is not very gentleman-like. You need to revisit your approach to discussions instead.

 

[salarsikander]

You failed to challenge my points

There is no point in discussing and wasting further with someone who is not ready to learn. I can better utilise it elsewhere where people are more willing to learn and where i too can learn from them. I have clearly presented my views on this matter and i cant get any clear than that. My message has gone through for those who intend to receive it.

 

[LeGenD]

There is no point in discussing and wasting further with someone who is not ready to learn. I can better utilise it elsewhere where people are more willing to learn and where i too can learn from them. I have clearly presented my views on this matter and i cant get any clear than that. My message has gone through for those who intend to receive it.

What's with selective quoting? You find it difficult to address an entire statement?

Secondly, I am not into [sweeping generalizations] about plight of women and behavior of men in Pakistan and other well-known states. I have seen enough to formulate a realistic perception of these matters insofar.

You either challenge my arguments on merit or stop pretending that you know better. More importantly, avoid taking jabs at people.

 

[salarsikander]

You either challenge my arguments

It woulndt matter if you have already made up ypur mind and have taken this as challenge. Unfortunately not as a learning opportunity. I am not here to fidt fight with you. It is obvious where youre coming from. Please dont bother to quote me again.

 

[LeGenD]

It woulndt matter if you have already made up ypur mind and have taken this as challenge. Unfortunately not as a learning opportunity. I am not here to fidt fight with you. It is obvious where youre coming from. Please dont bother to quote me again.

You took a jab at me unnecessarily and now you are trying to run away from this situation.

I am more then willing to end this conversation [if you are not interested] but I won't let your jabs slide away without warning. Let this be a lesson for you.

You weren't much serious about this conservation in the first place or you would have been addressing my responses in a fair manner with convincing counterarguments. Not the repeat of "samaj aa jaee gaa jab baap bano gey" BS again and gain until it got old.

 

[salarsikander]

You took a jab at me unnecessarily and now you are trying to run away from this situation.

I am more then willing to end this conversation [if you are not interested] but I won't let your jabs slide away without warning. Let this be a lesson for you.

You weren't much serious about this conservation in the first place or you would have been addressing my responses in a fair manner with convincing counterarguments. Not the repeat of "samaj aa jaee gaa jab baap bano gey" BS again and gain until it got old.

Alright you asked for it !

Like an insecured little prick you really cant seem to handle the truth can ya ?

So lets go one by one. You failed to answer my simple question. During sinking of ship, which person is supposed to leave last out of this combination. Woman, old person, man or pet? Just tell me the last person

You weren't much serious about this conservation in the first place or you would have been addressing my responses in a fair manner with convincing counterarguments. Not the repeat of "samaj aa jaee gaa jab baap bano gey" BS again and gain until it got old.

The fact that You constantly demanded equal standing of woman with men, because you as a man with a fragile ego, cant seem to comprehend the fact that, there is no comparison to begin with. As a man I find it truly insulting that you are actually demanding goods most beautiful creation (Woman) to actually stand with you because your sense insecurity is too much. It seems you cant handle the way women have progressed lately in all the fields they can.

Do actually want to put ladies in a situation, such as say miners to compete with men ? are you that dense ???

now you are trying to run away from this situation.

Run away ? i didnt relaise that you still havent outgrown the typical muhalla teenage mentality. I should have known when you presented your narrow-minded views on the subject. There is nothing wrong in learning but the fact that when ones starts to act like a jerk because he cant actually change for better is most disgusting of all

 

[salimpheku]

I am sorry but you lost me at your post (#130 in this thread). My remark was: I don't buy silly Feminist narratives anymore.

And what was your response to me again?

Do you understand what Feminism is about? You clearly don't. Please go through following articles to get an idea:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebec...omen-dont-need-your-protection_b_9301836.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/magazine/do-women-need-legislative-protection.html

Feminism is an ideological movement that challenges traditional notions of gender in a society and is pushing for "gender equality" in a society in true sense of the word.

You may also need to check remarks of female members in this thread:

"Most of time , the male refuse to allow you for the education and job . This is what am pointing at , it's the face of our society where a woman's life has to be obedient to the males ." (post # 99)

---

"I was pointing at that women doesn't need to have ask a male for their decisions in life . It's her life she is looking for a living so why does she need to ask for your approval ." (post # 99)

Feminism 101

They are demanding equality (of opportunity) and freedom (in decision-making). They are not craving male-guardianship. They are sick and tired of this patriarchal thought.

And here you are, trying to berate me for my views without any grasp of Feminist ideology and misreading my statements.

Feminism is over rated.

They already have the greatest gift a human can have - giving birth to another human. No man can, how ever much he cries about gender equality can ever give birth.

What feminists demand is equality but in actuality it's not what they are demanding.
For example, take Tennis, Both get same pay but men play 5 sets and woman play 3 sets. For record, woman don't get to play men. Do feminists truly want equality? Then they should demand abolition of segregation of men & woman in various aspects like sports that we see every day.

Men can do few things better. Woman can do few things better. That's evolution in work supporting our required strengths to propagate humanity.

 

[salarsikander]

Do you understand what Feminism is about

And you honestly in all your naivety thinks that this is practised in Pakistan ?

Where even educated female lawyers face harassment at workplace ?

You seriously have a beef with successful woman and you cant actually exhibit, what we call as a real manly behaviour.

You really need get checked out

True equality favors no gender - keep this fact in your fragile mind. Anybody who gets to the boat first, deserves to sit on it

This shows your lack of understanding and wisdom. When you have developed both then come back and talk

And for the record My statements were confined to the region of PAkistan only !

I am more then willing to end this conversation

End the convo or to salvage and score few points ?

Trust me it is total waste of time conversing with you. I really didnt expect that you would stoop so low for your misplaced ego.

 

[LeGenD]

Alright you asked for it !

Like an insecured little prick you really cant seem to handle the truth can ya ?

You are really showing your gentlemanship and class. Contrary to your words, you do not fit these criterion.

So lets go one by one. You failed to answer my simple question. During sinking of ship, which person is supposed to leave last out of this combination. Woman, old person, man or pet? Just tell me the last person

Do you think that people are actually accommodating [like that] in that kind of situation?

Read and learn:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...an-for-himself-on-a-sinking-ship-7987975.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...olly-curtis/2012/jan/16/costa-concordia-women

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Assuming that my family is in the picture; I would try to save my family members [FIRST] and then myself [AFTER] in that kind of situation. I would be hardly in the position to think about others and neither I expect strangers to give a damn about my life or that of my family members [male or female]. I am not an idealistic fool.

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Do you think that men are expendable? That their loss has no implications for their families?

What is the point of having a woman who is actually OK with loosing you in a dire situation? We try to save each other or die together. I will definitely prioritize safety of my woman in a dire situation but I am sure that she would not want me to commit suicide for strangers who don't care about me (and her).

My point is that there is no easy answer for these kind of questions. Life of every human being has value in my eyes but I am not an idealistic fool.

The fact that You constantly demanded equal standing of woman with men, because you as a man with a fragile ego, cant seem to comprehend the fact that, there is no comparison to begin with.

What makes you think that there is no comparison to begin with? Women are just as capable as men in many aspects of life. Your assumption is misplaced, if you think otherwise.

If by "fragile ego," you presume that I value my life as much as that of a woman? I am glad about it. I am being realistic and honest in my views, not trying to garner praise from White Knights with idealistic talk. People love to talk big but fall short in practice.

As a man I find it truly insulting that you are actually demanding goods most beautiful creation (Woman) to actually stand with you because your sense insecurity is too much.

Subjective nonsense.

It seems you cant handle the way women have progressed lately in all the fields they can.

Is this a joke?

I am fine with equality (of opportunity) for women in all fields/professions. In-fact, a 'working woman' is a greater asset than the one who sits at home and depends entirely on a man to handle her expenses - not a feasible arrangement under the prevalent socio-economic circumstances for many families, I'm afraid.

Do actually want to put ladies in a situation, such as say miners to compete with men ? are you that dense ???

Women [desire] equality (of opportunity) in all fields/professions themselves - why you berating me for this?

- Women wanted to join the army? State (and their family members) let them.
- Women wanted to join the mining industry? State (and their family members) let them.
- Women wanted to join the Fire Fighting Brigade? State (and their family members) let them.
- Women wanted to become an astronaut? State (and their family members) let them.
- Women wanted to climb mountains? State (and their family members) let them.

I cannot control the actions of state and neither I am in the position to dictate women [in general] in regards to choice of professions.

Run away ? i didnt relaise that you still havent outgrown the typical muhalla teenage mentality. I should have known when you presented your narrow-minded views on the subject. There is nothing wrong in learning but the fact that when ones starts to act like a jerk because he cant actually change for better is most disgusting of all

Please spare me the lecture on manners when you are the culprit here. You took a jab at me first [refer to post # 130 in this thread].

I attempted to address your misconception in post # 151 in good faith (see above) but you overlooked it and continued on the track of personal jabs.

You need to see the mirror.

And you honestly in all your naivety thinks that this is practised in Pakistan ?

Yes.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/764036/feminism-in-pakistan-a-brief-history/
https://www.theguardian.com/global-.../08/culpability-qandeel-baloch-death-pakistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pakistani_feminists

You would know if you had been observing developments carefully; you are only good at taking jabs however.

Where even educated female lawyers face harassment at workplace ?

http://pcsw.punjab.gov.pk/protection_against_harrassment

They need to act.

You seriously have a beef with successful woman and you cant actually exhibit, what we call as a real manly behaviour.

You really need get checked out

This is funny.

Last time I checked, I wasn't complaining about women working in offices dominated by male staff. You on the other hand...

This shows your lack of understanding and wisdom. When you have developed both then come back and talk

And for the record My statements were confined to the region of PAkistan only !

Did it ever occur to you that your assessment could be faulty or shortsighted and that your jabs are unnecessary? I suppose not.

You [think] your observations are flawless and you have greater experience - but you are clearly misinformed and shortsighted.

End the convo or to salvage and score few points ?

Trust me it is total waste of time conversing with you. I really didnt expect that you would stoop so low for your misplaced ego.

You stooped low - not me. Don't blame me.

 

[Viking 63]

I'm happy that the girl was not harmed, any way what these goons were doing is totally unacceptable !!

 

[salarsikander]

You are really showing your gentlemanship and class. Contrary to your words, you do not fit these criterion.


Do you think that people are actually accommodating [like that] in that kind of situation?

Read and learn:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...an-for-himself-on-a-sinking-ship-7987975.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...olly-curtis/2012/jan/16/costa-concordia-women

---

Assuming that my family is in the picture; I would try to save my family members [FIRST] and then myself [AFTER] in that kind of situation. I would be hardly in the position to think about others and neither I expect strangers to give a damn about my life or that of my family members [male or female]. I am not an idealistic fool.

---

Do you think that men are expendable? That their loss has no implications for their families?

What is the point of having a woman who is actually OK with loosing you in a dire situation? We try to save each other or die together. I will definitely prioritize safety of my woman in a dire situation but I am sure that she would not want me to commit suicide for strangers who don't care about me (and her).

My point is that there is no easy answer for these kind of questions. Life of every human being has value in my eyes but I am not an idealistic fool.


What makes you think that there is no comparison to begin with? Women are just as capable as men in many aspects of life. Your assumption is misplaced, if you think otherwise.

If by "fragile ego," you presume that I value my life as much as that of a woman? I am glad about it. I am being realistic and honest in my views, not trying to garner praise from White Knights with idealistic talk. People love to talk big but fall short in practice.


Subjective nonsense.


Is this a joke?

I am fine with equality (of opportunity) for women in all fields/professions. In-fact, a 'working woman' is a greater asset than the one who sits at home and depends entirely on a man to handle her expenses - not a feasible arrangement under the prevalent socio-economic circumstances for many families, I'm afraid.


Women [desire] equality (of opportunity) in all fields/professions themselves - why you berating me for this?

- Women wanted to join the army? State (and their family members) let them.
- Women wanted to join the mining industry? State (and their family members) let them.
- Women wanted to join the Fire Fighting Brigade? State (and their family members) let them.
- Women wanted to become an astronaut? State (and their family members) let them.
- Women wanted to climb mountains? State (and their family members) let them.

I cannot control the actions of state and neither I am in the position to dictate women [in general] in regards to choice of professions.


Please spare me the lecture on manners when you are the culprit here. You took a jab at me first [refer to post # 130 in this thread].

I attempted to address your misconception in post # 151 in good faith (see above) but you overlooked it and continued on the track of personal jabs.

You need to see the mirror.


Yes.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/764036/feminism-in-pakistan-a-brief-history/
https://www.theguardian.com/global-.../08/culpability-qandeel-baloch-death-pakistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pakistani_feminists

You would know if you had been observing developments carefully; you are only good at taking jabs however.


http://pcsw.punjab.gov.pk/protection_against_harrassment

They need to act.


This is funny.

Last time I checked, I wasn't complaining about women working in offices dominated by male staff. You on the other hand...


Did it ever occur to you that your assessment could be faulty or shortsighted and that your jabs are unnecessary? I suppose not.

You [think] your observations are flawless and you have greater experience - but you are clearly misinformed and shortsighted.


You stooped low - not me. Don't blame me.

Total waste of bandwith and my time. Welcome to my ignore list. You have clearly displayed your juvenile behaviour here. As expected the entire conversation was somehow directed to you to attack you. Lol. Insecurity is rather prominent here