Local production of US F 16 & F/A 18 not attractive: HAL Chairman Suvarna Raju

[Beast]

You still relies on Russian engine, as your engine only last for 100 hrs, so your engines is their only for photo ops .

you still not find the right metals yet, that's why engines are not ready. when you find the metals that will fitted in any engine , including your WS-10A and for light weight engine for JF-17.

many countries develop from light weight to heavy weight , you are first country which claims to make AC but cant make small fishing ship.

That is a lies. It true we can't ramp up the production fast. But we are not 100 % dependent like you. The J-11B send to intercept and rock n roll with USN P-8 equipped with domestic engine. They are not there just for show. They are real operation.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

"Do you think the recent US offer for the production of F 16 and F/A 18 fighters in India are viable? Neither aircraft could win the (air force's) medium multirole combat aircraft ( MMRCA) competition. So I really don't know. It is not very attractive and I sincerely don't know how serious they are. The F 16 production has stopped and I am sure a parallel line for the F/A 18 won't be worth it. There are reports that the fighters are being considered as we may have a gap of 200 ai .. "

No Rafale, No F/16, No F/18

So Tejas on a Truck?

No Tejas is on Serial production.

That is a lies. It true we can't ramp up the production fast. But we are not 100 % dependent like you. The J-11B send to intercept and rock n roll with USN P-8 equipped with domestic engine. They are not there just for show. They are real operation.

Told you your engine plane capacity is till 100 hrs, one can Judge from the fact that , when you Govt. claims that attack chopper is design by China , but in fact it was designed by Russian agency on contract .

what more you can accept.

 

[Bad Guy]

Both critical component of engine and radar are imported.

Not all critical components.
Anyway, I asked for basis of 80% claim.
Otherwise, I can say JFT is 100% Chinese so easily.

 

[Bheemsen]

rafale is not good.
F16 or F18 local production is not good
SU35 is not good...

It seems that Indians are looking for next generation alien technology!

All these dirty politicians and corrupt PSU official are interested in cut backs , if enough cut back is provided even they will buy Iranian fighter Saegheh

 

[zebra7]

Both critical component of engine and radar are imported.

So what about J-10, the engine is Russian AL-31, and Radar is rp25 of Zhuk Me, which china designated as KLJ-7, which have Chinese Gimplet Antenna, with Russian Backend.

 

[Beast]

So what about J-10, the engine is Russian AL-31, and Radar is rp25 of Zhuk Me, which china designated as KLJ-7, which have Chinese Gimplet Antenna, with Russian Backend.

There is no danger of engine source cut off from Russia and in no hurry to setup another production to over product the engine once order is stable. As for the radar, everything is made by Chinese, the article abt J-10 Chinese radar is just BS. I bet the author don't even know a single Chinese and just conjure up lots of nonsense to write that article.

Just like the stupid article claimed Chinese AWACS radar is from Russia when Russian themselves haven even field a AESA AWACS.

 

[zebra7]

There is no danger of engine source cut off from Russia and in no hurry to setup another production to over product the engine once order is stable. As for the radar, everything is made by Chinese, the article abt J-10 Chinese radar is just BS. I bet the author don't even know a single Chinese and just conjure up lots of nonsense to write that article.

Just like the stupid article claimed Chinese AWACS radar is from Russia when Russian themselves haven even field a AESA AWACS.

Beast, let be realistic, what ever you or anyone else can talk or discuss of the Indian defense product, is because, the Indian source are more open, and usually DRDO gives statement in front of the media, and what ever you got the information of the Chinese are from the Blogs. Hope you know that those blogs are written by many Chinese Defense Personals who might have a PR agenda or from the blogs who makes speculative claims of the Chinese supermacy and the so called US losing an edge in the South China sea to create sensations.

 

[Abingdonboy]

"Do you think the recent US offer for the production of F 16 and F/A 18 fighters in India are viable? Neither aircraft could win the (air force's) medium multirole combat aircraft ( MMRCA) competition. So I really don't know. It is not very attractive and I sincerely don't know how serious they are. The F 16 production has stopped and I am sure a parallel line for the F/A 18 won't be worth it. There are reports that the fighters are being considered as we may have a gap of 200 ai .. "

No Rafale, No F/16, No F/18

So Tejas on a Truck?

No Rafale? What makes you say that.

+ there's nothing inaccurate in what he has said- the F-16 and F-18 DID lose the MMRCA on technical criteria.

rafale is not good.

Who said the Rafale is not good?

 

[Zain Malik]

If the engines were any good PAF JF-17 would not running on Russian RD-93 jet engines

Pakistan will purchase engines from China.......We don't rejected them we have given some time for improvemnets and they are showing good results.......And production of JFT is not stopped we will purchase engines from China for Block-4 or further blocks.....

 

[zebra7]

Pakistan will purchase engines from China.......We don't rejected them we have given some time for improvemnets and they are showing good results.......And production of JFT is not stopped we will purchase engines from China for Block-4 or further blocks.....

Which engine ??
1. For JF-17, the official statement, was that PAF is sattisfied with the present engine, and do not want replacement.

 

[Zain Malik]

Which engine ??
1. For JF-17, the official statement, was that PAF is sattisfied with the present engine, and do not want replacement.

WS-13A.....only 150 RD-93 are imported and Pakistan is going to procure 250+ JFT block II and III....Do you really think that they fly without engines....the next 80-100 should be with WS-13A

 

[帅的一匹]

Sorry to disappoint you, half of Chinese combat aircraft engine are domestic made. JH-7A turbofan is home made WS-9A. Z-10 gunship using WZ-9 turboshaft. Y-9 transport aircraft using WZ-6 turboshaft. Z-9 gunship and transport uses WZ-8 turboshaft.

J-11A series aircraft running on WS-10A engine. Even our J-7PG uses domestic WP-13 turbojet.

While India has non of domestic engine or turboshaft to talk about if somebody decide to stop selling or jerk up the price. India has to bite the bullet.

Everybody know joint venture is basically an assemble job with key component of advance chips still need to be import from Israel. Key technology cannot be bought with money. Our radar is 100% made in China and technology fully absorbed by us.

China's investment On WS10 engine equals to 330 tons gold, mammoth amount!

 

[shree835]

Sorry to disappoint you, half of Chinese combat aircraft engine are domestic made. JH-7A turbofan is home made WS-9A. Z-10 gunship using WZ-9 turboshaft. Y-9 transport aircraft using WZ-6 turboshaft. Z-9 gunship and transport uses WZ-8 turboshaft.

J-11A series aircraft running on WS-10A engine. Even our J-7PG uses domestic WP-13 turbojet.

While India has non of domestic engine or turboshaft to talk about if somebody decide to stop selling or jerk up the price. India has to bite the bullet.

Everybody know joint venture is basically an assemble job with key component of advance chips still need to be import from Israel. Key technology cannot be bought with money. Our radar is 100% made in China and technology fully absorbed by us.

Are u talking about this.....????...THE COPY CAT VERSION.....

 

[Beast]

Are u talking about this.....????...THE COPY CAT VERSION.....

That is not the point. The point is China is self sufficient and no countries can blackmail China in military hardware by her security or milking her badly for large sum of money. You can act ignorant and think you are on the higher ground but end of the day. The one being mock for gettng milk and has her security under the hands of other control is India when you failed to master the core technology to be self sufficient.


NEW DELHI — The Indian Defence Ministry — faced with a shortage of ammunition for its Russian-made T-90 tanks, coupled with an inability to produce ammunition at home — has no choice but to give in to Russian terms and purchase marked-up ammo from Moscow, an MoD source said.
The MoD reluctantly agreed to the deal last month, despite the fact that Russia hiked the price by 20 percent and refused to accept offset obligations.
Russia will receive a $197 million contract for the fin-stabilized armor-piercing discarding sabot. In 2011, the asking price for the same order was $163 million.
Besides jacking up the price, the Russians also refused to transfer technology for making the rounds to the state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), a demand India has been making for the past five years, the MoD source added. A diplomat from the Russian Embassy merely said the sale of T-90 ammunition was on agreed-upon terms, and refused to give details.
India was forced to agree to the terms because OFB’s efforts at making the ammunition failed, an Indian Army official said.
“India bought T-90 tanks from Russia without transfer of technology for ammunition, which has resulted in perpetual shortages for the ammunition,” the official said.
“There were reportedly multiple problems in procurement of T-90 tank ammunition,” said Rahul Bhonsle, retired Indian Army brigadier general and defense analyst. “The ammunition produced in India was not compatible with the fire-control system of the tanks, thus these have to be modified. The Defence Research and Development Organisation [DRDO] has not been able to resolve the problem, hence there is a challenge. Meanwhile, there was apparently no fallback plan, thus orders had to be made to the single supplier, which hiked the prices thus compounding the problems.”
A DRDO official said technology for the ammunition actually has been developed and transferred to OFB.
The Indian Army official, however, said the ammunition developed by DRDO is only for the T-72 tanks. The ammunition failed when it was used in the T-90 tanks.
“The OFB has failed to produce ammunition for T-90 tanks because it is far more sophisticated than ammunition for Russian made T-72 tanks,” Bhonsle said. “Because in the case of T-90 ammunition, there are intricate linkages with the fire-control computer.”
“The way out of the ammunition crisis is the need to tie up with overseas original equipment manufactures [OEMs],” said defense analyst Nitin Mehta. The rise in demand for T-90 ammunition as the fleet strength increases will be an attraction for OEMs to come forward to partner with Indian companies in producing the required ammunition, Mehta said.
The Indian Army operates more than 500 T-90 tanks, and plans to increase the strength to more than 1,300 by 2020 through license-production at Indian facilities.
An executive at a domestic private company said OFB has a monopoly on ammunition.
“The private companies [focus on] propellant and explosives, and not in the filling of the shell or rocket motor,” the executive said

India Gives In to Russia's Terms For High-Priced Tank Ammunition | Defense News | defensenews.com

 

[shree835]

That is not the point. The point is China is self sufficient and no countries can blackmail China in military hardware by her security or milking her badly for large sum of money. You can act ignorant and think you are on the higher ground but end of the day. The one being mock for gettng milk and has her security under the hands of other control is India when you failed to master the core technology to be self sufficient.


NEW DELHI — The Indian Defence Ministry — faced with a shortage of ammunition for its Russian-made T-90 tanks, coupled with an inability to produce ammunition at home — has no choice but to give in to Russian terms and purchase marked-up ammo from Moscow, an MoD source said.
The MoD reluctantly agreed to the deal last month, despite the fact that Russia hiked the price by 20 percent and refused to accept offset obligations.
Russia will receive a $197 million contract for the fin-stabilized armor-piercing discarding sabot. In 2011, the asking price for the same order was $163 million.
Besides jacking up the price, the Russians also refused to transfer technology for making the rounds to the state-owned Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), a demand India has been making for the past five years, the MoD source added. A diplomat from the Russian Embassy merely said the sale of T-90 ammunition was on agreed-upon terms, and refused to give details.
India was forced to agree to the terms because OFB’s efforts at making the ammunition failed, an Indian Army official said.
“India bought T-90 tanks from Russia without transfer of technology for ammunition, which has resulted in perpetual shortages for the ammunition,” the official said.
“There were reportedly multiple problems in procurement of T-90 tank ammunition,” said Rahul Bhonsle, retired Indian Army brigadier general and defense analyst. “The ammunition produced in India was not compatible with the fire-control system of the tanks, thus these have to be modified. The Defence Research and Development Organisation [DRDO] has not been able to resolve the problem, hence there is a challenge. Meanwhile, there was apparently no fallback plan, thus orders had to be made to the single supplier, which hiked the prices thus compounding the problems.”
A DRDO official said technology for the ammunition actually has been developed and transferred to OFB.
The Indian Army official, however, said the ammunition developed by DRDO is only for the T-72 tanks. The ammunition failed when it was used in the T-90 tanks.
“The OFB has failed to produce ammunition for T-90 tanks because it is far more sophisticated than ammunition for Russian made T-72 tanks,” Bhonsle said. “Because in the case of T-90 ammunition, there are intricate linkages with the fire-control computer.”
“The way out of the ammunition crisis is the need to tie up with overseas original equipment manufactures [OEMs],” said defense analyst Nitin Mehta. The rise in demand for T-90 ammunition as the fleet strength increases will be an attraction for OEMs to come forward to partner with Indian companies in producing the required ammunition, Mehta said.
The Indian Army operates more than 500 T-90 tanks, and plans to increase the strength to more than 1,300 by 2020 through license-production at Indian facilities.
An executive at a domestic private company said OFB has a monopoly on ammunition.
“The private companies [focus on] propellant and explosives, and not in the filling of the shell or rocket motor,” the executive said

India Gives In to Russia's Terms For High-Priced Tank Ammunition | Defense News | defensenews.com

No country can blackmail china …WOW…What a Statement..!!!!…Definitely I would have respected it ,if you would have achieved something with your own R&D….Coz CHINI are very good in stealing the technology from all around the world….No wonder why every Chinese product always looks a copy other product in this world…No matter it is a vehicle , Smartphone , food chain , fighter aircraft…ETC…

In short one line is fit for china....IF YOU CANNOT MAKE IT…JUST FAKE IT.

Please go through it if you are unknown or pretending to be unknown.

http://www.businessinsider.in/China...ce-of-the-real-thing/articleshow/48425914.cms


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http://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-copy-coins.html

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ETC

If we Indian cannot make something we are trying hard to achieve it … we are ready to take help from others…But a big NO to copy paste job.