Lieutenant Colonel in J&K shots himself up

[vnomad]

We are also not talking about suicides by Farmers in India. nor normal suicide arround the world.

In what context are talking Jana? Colonels aren't forced to shoot anyone. I'm sure even you would agree with this.

 

[Adux]

Well dear i was replying to uir countryman who was trying to make it suicide the world over as far attrocities !

there are videoes of Hindus who;s houses were raided by Indian soldeirs in Indian Occupied Kashmir abbused the women rapped them, dragged their men out of home, killings. The families been shown telling the foreign channles who had riaded them.
Adux one must accpet realities in such zones if u say that both sides are angels and they dont commit any crime than it would be so unfair.
As far suicides by Indian Soldiers in IHK its a reality lets not cover or deny it by quoting Kashmiri trouble. its a fact why not to adress it. It has also been echoed in the Indian parliament.

We have nothign to loose if they kill themselves. we had even allowed topics too much against Pakistan here , cuz we willing to debate and find solution to things instead of narrow mindedness if u had noticed this u will also agree with me.

jana,
If you look into my previous posts, its quite evident that i dont support extreme actions from both the forces, but Terrorist wont be given the same weightage as lets say an Pakistan POW, they will be crushed, i suggest you read upon the plight of kashmiri shia and pundits..It is quite saddening. It is not an epidemic mind you, in an hot zones so men kill themselves cuz they cant handle the situation.

This is a good board, therefore i post, otherwise i am a lurker,
it does have its share Dick waving idiots and trolls.
Mukthar Mai episode, are you telling me all of pakistani soldiers are rapiest, i dont think so...

I dont understand this idea of further ur agenda's by making a storm in a tea cup.

Adu

 

[TomCat111]

Jana the news article in this thread already points to Lt.Col death to his superiors fault,

Be a good chap and share with us exactly where it ‘points to Lt.Col death to his superiors fault’?

What you are trying to achieve is somehow to make the indians say we are wrong to be in kashmir,

Oh, how sometimes the baggage of guilt can be overwhelming. Don’t fret it, we understand....

if you talking about atrocities by forces, he can keep harping about the atrocities by the terrorist, including the raping of kasmhmiri muslim and hindu women...

Of cource, I recognize the Indian state terrorism like rest of the world does, including the US State Department, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and etc.

Lets not try to show parity rag tag afghan,pakistani and kashmiri civilians holding guns, who doesnt know about discipline or anything,

We aren’t. IA’s record stands for itself.

 

[TomCat111]

In what context are talking Jana? Colonels aren't forced to shoot anyone. I'm sure even you would agree with this.

I wonder, if the Col was ever a Lieutenant, Captain or a Major, or if he was inducted straight as a Col?

And who said ordering a massacre bares the same level of guilt as of the one who pulls the trigger?

 

[TomCat111]

Terrorist wont be given the same weightage as lets say an Pakistan POW, they will be crushed,

What kind of 'weightage' do you give to the State Terrorism?:buck:

i suggest you read upon the plight of kashmiri shia and pundits..It is quite saddening.

:cry1:

It is not an epidemic mind you, in an hot zones so men kill themselves cuz they cant handle the situation.

1. Leave-and-live policy for Indian soldiers: "Defence Minister AK Antony told the Rajya Sabha that 23 cases of fragging were reported this year from Jammu and Kashmir and the Northeast."
2. 'They cant handle the situation', because they lack the discipline or due to their unprofessional behavior?

it does have its share Dick waving idiots and trolls.

Are you pointing a finger yourself?:hrr:

 

[Adux]

Be a good chap and share with us exactly where it ‘points to Lt.Col death to his superiors fault’?



Oh, how sometimes the baggage of guilt can be overwhelming. Don’t fret it, we understand....



Of cource, I recognize the Indian state terrorism like rest of the world does, including the US State Department, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and etc.



We aren’t. IA’s record stands for itself.

IA doesnt have a tag of that sort in the world community, but in your la la land i am sure it does,

lets see for PA, Mukthar Mai 3,00,000 bangladeshi's...they must have died cuz of common cold...right.

Get a life

 

[TomCat111]

IA doesnt have a tag of that sort in the world community, but in your la la land i am sure it does,

lets see for PA, Mukthar Mai 3,00,000 bangladeshi's...they must have died cuz of common cold...right.

Ahh....... the when in doubt jump on Bangladesh defense.... how original....

Get a life

:lol1:

 

[Adux]

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?id=97333&frmsrch=1&txtsrch=army,colonel

Kumar Shakti Shekhar

Sunday, December 3, 2006 (Bhopal):


The body of Lt Col Pankaj Jha arrived in his native town of Bhopal on Sunday.

The 38-year-old Lt Colonel had allegedly committed suicide on Friday.

But Lt Col Jha's family is not convinced that he took his own life. They say that he was harassed by his commander who they claim wanted him to sign forged documents.

"Give justice to my son and daughter-in-law," said Jha's mother.

Lt Col Pankaj Jha's mother refuses to believe her son would commit suicide. She believes he was forced to shoot himself by his senior officer, who wanted him to sign some forged documents.

"My son was not a coward. He was harassed by his commander. Panjak would tell us that his commander had a foul tongue," said his mother.

Work pressure

Pankaj, posted with the Rashtriya Rifles in Udhampur, had visited Bhopal on Dussehra.

His mother says he had told her that he would rather shoot his officer than agree to an irregularity.

Pankaj's wife is still in a state of shock but she'd rather believe it was the stress that finally got to her husband.

Their daughter, only nine-year-old, doesn't even understand what's happened.

"He was burdened with a lot of workload. On top of it, he was not well. He could not take this," said Mom Jha, Lt Col Pankaj Jha's wife.

Just before his death, Pankaj had been on leave for a medical check-up in Delhi.

Now the army has ordered a court of inquiry into what led the Lt Colonel to shoot himself just two hours after he returned to his office in Udhampur's Mahore area on Friday.

This June, Bhopal's Lt Sushmita Charaborty had committed suicide in Udhampur itself. The second such incident within six months is a proof of the stress under which the Army officers are working.

 

[vnomad]

I wonder, if the Col was ever a Lieutenant, Captain or a Major, or if he was inducted straight as a Col?

So he committed suicide because of something he had to do a decade back.

And who said ordering a massacre bares the same level of guilt as of the one who pulls the trigger?

If he felt so strongly about it, why the heck would he have ordered a massacre.

You're reasoning gets weirder(and more amusing) by the minute.

 

[TomCat111]

So he committed suicide because of something he had to do a decade back.

Good one.

I guess that explains it. He must have been a dead ender who was stuck with the same rank for last whole decade. That must have gotten to him. :cry1:

If he felt so strongly about it, why the heck would he have ordered a massacre.

Why don’t you ask him. Ops, my bad, he has already committed suicide.

You're reasoning gets weirder(and more amusing) by the minute.

and yours went from ‘I know because I lived there for 3 years ‘ to........... just because I know.....:crazy2:

 

[Adux]

Conveniently forgetting the news article in #133 post, Cant expect better from a troll

 

[TomCat111]

Cant expect better from a troll

Sweetheart, are trying to get my attention? Beside, it takes one to see one. :love:

 

[vnomad]

I guess that explains it. He must have been a dead ender who was stuck with the same rank for last whole decade. That must have gotten to him.

What are you getting at? Yes, ten years in an admin. position. What's so surprising about that?

Why don’t you ask him. Ops, my bad, he has already committed suicide.

I don't need to. He's not ordered any massacres.

and yours went from ‘I know because I lived there for 3 years ‘ to........... just because I know

Because, I've lived there, I know troops and officers from the RR. And can understand their psyche/reasoning.

 

[TomCat111]

Army plans to hire 400 shrinks to cut stress

[ 30 Dec, 2006 0135hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

NEW DELHI: The Army plans to recruit 400 psychiatrists to cope with stress within its ranks that has led to an increase in fratricidal killings and suicides.

"We have sent a proposal for recruiting 400 psychiatrists of officer rank so that senior officers can also approach them," Vice Admiral V K Singh, director general of the Armed Forces Medical Service, told reporters on Friday on the eve of the Army Medical Corps' Foundation Day.

Between taking potshots at Delhi's law and order situation — "woman cadets feel safer in Siachen than on the streets of Delhi" — and fielding questions on the rising cases of diabetes and hypertension in the armed forces — "we are a part of society. If something is on the rise in society, we cannot be left out" — vice admiral Singh unveiled the roadmap for the corps for the coming year.

"We have enough psychiatrists. But, now the kind of people we plan to recruit are post-graduates in psychology, who are good at counselling. The reason why we are looking at officer-rank is to ensure that officers too feel free to approach them," he said.
Denying reports that high stress levels in the armed forces are responsible for the spate of suicides, he said:"If there is one weakness of the Indian soldier, it is the family. Most have committed suicides after they returning from home and in most cases the cause has been found to be domestic rather than professional".

Describing HIV-AIDS an "enemy No. 1," the AFMS head also talked about a proposal under consideration in the ministry for making HIV screening mandatory at the time of recruitments.

The key, he said, is in driving home the message that "it is not a crime to get HIV, it is a crime to hide it". "Any jawan who comes to us the night after visiting a sex worker is started on anti-retroviral therapy. We distribute free condoms and even without screening we have achieved a HIV incidence of 0.028% which comparable to the figured for the US Army, which has a screening protocol. HIV+ people are retained in the forces, but once they become full-blown AIDS cases, their services are terminated."

Answering a question about the implementation of OBC quota in the Armed Forces Medical College, Vice Admiral Singh said: "The armed forces have been kept out of its ambit. The additional seats that are going to come, I have told the government, should also be kept out of the quota ambit and should be kept for people who are willing to join the forces for at least a short service commission of five years after their post graduation."

Efforts are on, he said, to modernise Army hospitals at all levels.

 

[TomCat111]

If that's how they treat their own soldiers, imagine how they must have been mowing down the innocent Kashmiris.


Indian army officer kills colleague in occupied Kashmir

SRINAGAR, occupied Kashmir, Jan 2 (AFP) An army officer gunned down a fellow soldier in occupied Kashmir late Monday, the fourth such incident within two months in the Himalayan region, police said. The incident took place at a party on the outskirts of Jammu, 300 kilometers south of Srinagar. "The officer opened fire from his service weapon after entering into a verbal duel with his subordinate," a police spokesman said, adding the officer has been arrested by the army. (Posted @ 13:25 PST)