Lets take on the Arjun tank

[Bull]

In the thread "Lets take on LCA" there has been some rather misleading facts written about Arjun tank,so i thought rather than refuting those in that thread and hijacking that thread rather start a new one and continue the discussion..

 

[Bull]

The engine itself has really no problem,The Arjun's mobility with its 1400 horsepower engine is very good.

The integrated fire control system had a lot of problems. We had got it from the Dutch, but it had an American component in it. Suddenly we were throttled as the Americans said that the Dutch could not supply this to us. After some time, we were able to get France to redesign the entire fire control system. Now we have an excellent fire control system. Arjun is a fine weapons system, though it looks big and very heavy, its tactical silhouette is very low. The T-72 and the Arjun in a hull down position are not very different. In a hull down position, the tank gives you the same silhouette as any other small tank. Also, its speed provides security in the battlefield. Its firepower is tremendous. Particularly on the move, its firepower is very accurate and good. Some people say that the Arjun is not strategically feasible due to its size and weight. However the Arjun has been running all over the railway systems of India and has been running all over the western deserts as well, on or without tank transporters.

When Israel first produced the Merkava MBT, Ariel Sharon (presently Prime Minister of Israel) was the DG Combat Vehicles. He walked up to the team and asked them what was the problem. After the team explained the problems, he said that this particular tank would be called Mark I and that they would produce it despite all the problems. The Mark I would be given to the troops and work would start on the Mark II, which would be better than this one. That is how the Israelis did it. Somewhere we have to start producing. Somewhere we need to have the capacity within ourselves to be able to do that and then improve that equipment. Presently this is just not happening

By Lieutenant General Niranjan S. Malik, PVSM (Retd.) © SAPRA India​

 

[Bull]

The "Arjun" Main Battle Tank has classical arrangement. It's design has some external similarity to the "Leopard 2" Main Battle Tank.
Hull and turret was welded from Indian "Kanhan" developed multi-layer armor which is most likely a variant of the British "Chobhem" armor. Frontal armor plate is placed with a great inclination providing additional defense. Hull boards and chassis are covered with steel anti-cumulative screens. Projecting the new Main Battle Tank designers considered to anthropometrical height of an ordinary Indian solider. This feature allowed to position optimally controllers and other internal devices.
"Arjun's" armament consists from 120-mm rifled gun stabilized in both planes. Main gun is fed by modular projectiles fitted with armor-piercing, cumulative, High-Explosion - armor piercing, and High-Explosion fragmentation warheads. The main gun aiming and turret rotation mechanisms are based on electro hydraulic. Gun is reloaded manually by loader what significantly decreases rate of fire, reaching 6 shots per minute. The gun has a maximum elevation range from -9º to +20º.
The Main Battle Tank has an integrated semi-automatic fire control system based on ballistic computer. It is provided by Spanish company "ENOSA". This system automatically considers such factors as external temperature, atmosphere pressure, wind speed and direction, projectile's temperature and other.
It is claimed that "Arjuns" fire control system provides high fire accuracy. Hit probability when tank is moving is approximately 90% what is a really impressive number.
"Arjun's" gunner uses day sight with stabilized viewing field, thermo vision device (common with tank commander), and a laser rangefinder. Commander uses panoramic battlefield observation sight.
Additional armament is similar to all Soviet/Russian made main battle tanks: the 7.62-mm coaxial machine gun, and 12.7-mm anti-aircraft machine gun, placed on the roof. Grenade launcher blocks are mounted from the both sides of the turret. They are intended for setting up smoke screens.
The main designers problem was to choose a suitable engine as far as India's western regions are desert type, while northern are mostly alpine regions. In desert regions day temperature passes over +50ºC, while tanks face engine ignition problem in alpine regions, where temperature is below 0ºC.
As far as Indian designers were unable to develop their own reliable engine suitable for the new Main Battle Tank it was completed with German "MTU" 838 KA 501 ten cylinder diesel engine. This diesel has a turbo charging system and liquid cooling. It reaches 1 400 h.p. and provides for almost 60-tone "Arjun" high h.p. to weight ratio in 24h.p./t.
Hydromechanic transmission including hydro transformer and "Renk" planetary gear box, is blocked with engine. The gear box is manual and provides four forward and two backward gears.
"Arjun's" suspension is hydro pneumatic. Seven bearing rolls and four supporting rolls are placed from the both sides of the hull. Tracks are made from steel with a rubber-metallic hinges and are fitted with rubber pads.
Main Battle Tank's ground pressure is quiet low (0.84 kg/cm²) what alongside with a powerful engine provides high maneuverability and cross-country performance. "Arjun" manages 2.43 m wide trench, fords 1.4 m water obstacle without preparation. It is fitted with a Nuclear, Biological, Chemical protection system, automatic fire extinguishing system and radio equipment. "Arjun" Main Battle Tanks will replace "Vilijanta" and T-72M out-dated main battle tanks in India armed forces. Overall India's armed forces require approximately 2 000 new main battle tanks

http://www.enemyforces.com/tanks/arjun.htm

 

[Bull]

So basically the main issue in inducting the Arjun is the Transportation. The tank protrudes 6cm beyond the permissible 3cm limit on either side of tank transporters used for India's current MBT, the T-72M1.

 

[Bull]

Prashant,
Refer to you post below...


That is not true. Manual loading is faster than automatic. I have seen Vijayants tanks fire 20 rds on target in a minute, and that is faster than an infantryman who can empty his FN on a target (firing semi auto).

well u shud know that better,but wudnt an automatic free the gunner for someother work or help in reducing the no of people inside the cabin.

 

[sword9]

well u shud know that better,but wudnt an automatic free the gunner for someother work or help in reducing the no of people inside the cabin.

Auto loader helps in designing a smaller compact tank with a low profile like the T-72. But it reduces manpower for maintenance tasks and other duties.

 

[Comanche]

Auto loader helps in designing a smaller compact tank with a low profile like the T-72. But it reduces manpower for maintenance tasks and other duties.

when is this world class tank being induckted into indian army? it sounds better than a leopard2 ,challenger or M1A2 abrams.

 

[Bull]

when is this world class tank being induckted into indian army? it sounds better than a leopard2 ,challenger or M1A2 abrams.

Is it so,when did it sound like that.pls let us also know.

 

[Comanche]

Is it so,when did it sound like that.pls let us also know.

sorree i ddint meant to offense you but how many world class arjuns tanks does india have right now? 500 or more . i asked you because you ar fram inda and very clever about defensive matters. i saw a picture of it i think and it looks very modern. like the german leopard 1 design.

 

[Bull]

i asked you because you ar fram inda and very clever about defensive matters.

...makhan mat lagaaa my head is too hot rt now. just kidding.

 

[Comanche]

...makhan mat lagaaa my head is too hot rt now. just kidding.

now i told u i cant understand your language hinduan or whatever. but you nver told me how many arjuns india has? can you anser that ? thank

 

[Bull]

now i told u i cant understand your language hinduan or whatever. but you nver told me how many arjuns india has? can you anser that ? thank

oops sorry that was hindi.U r from pakistan right so i thought u will be able to understand it.

In a written reply to Parliament on 07 March 2001, Defence Minister George Fernandes said the first batch of Arjun Mk.1 MBTs are to be delivered to the Army during 2003/04. This first batch, consisting of 125 tanks to be produced at the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi, will equip two to three armoured regiments. The government has allocated $425 million for the purpose and reportedly the first of these have been delivered to the 2nd Independent Armoured Brigade. The MoD was considering diverting a large number of the 125 Arjun chassis to its self-propelled (SP) 155mm howitzer program (Bhim) that underwent a successful second round of trials in the Rajasthan desert in 1999. The South African SP system was successfully in 1998 and the MoD wanted another round of trials before opening negotiations of 120 units. The Army ultimately wants an inventory of around 400 SP 155mm systems through local manufacture.

 

[EagleEyes]

Commanche,

Avoid sarcasm, and read the rules please.

Thanks.

 

[Comanche]

oops sorry that was hindi.U r from pakistan right so i thought u will be able to understand it.

In a written reply to Parliament on 07 March 2001, Defence Minister George Fernandes said the first batch of Arjun Mk.1 MBTs are to be delivered to the Army during 2003/04. This first batch, consisting of 125 tanks to be produced at the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi, will equip two to three armoured regiments. The government has allocated $425 million for the purpose and reportedly the first of these have been delivered to the 2nd Independent Armoured Brigade. The MoD was considering diverting a large number of the 125 Arjun chassis to its self-propelled (SP) 155mm howitzer program (Bhim) that underwent a successful second round of trials in the Rajasthan desert in 1999. The South African SP system was successfully in 1998 and the MoD wanted another round of trials before opening negotiations of 120 units. The Army ultimately wants an inventory of around 400 SP 155mm systems through local manufacture.

thankew but did this really happen and is india using thise tank in its aresnal now or not or they just using the t90 tanks from russia.

 

[melb4aust]

...makhan mat lagaaa my head is too hot rt now. just kidding.

so that means ur aware of its failure and least qualities. I am pointing at ur above comments, the way u gave em.:crazy2: Im not using any butter or margerine like him!!!!