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LeT group of savages needs to be crushed: US lawmakers

So you want to support a terrorist organization and want a full scale nuclear war in order to defend terrorists. Now what better explanation can be for the sorry state of Pakistan :woot:

Who said I support a terrorist organization. I dont support india who is using water TERRORISM against Pakistan that will eventually lead to a full scale war over water.

LeT's only beef with india is over Kashmir, thats why it was created because of india's occupation of Kashmir.

Solve Kashmir, half of your headache is over.
 
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Not only Gary L Ackerman, bet several others are supporting it too. For those who think Sen Ackerman works for India's interests.

Pak reluctant to rein in LeT, say S Asia experts - Yahoo! India News

The ISI continues to maintain links with Lashkar-e-Toiba, the terrorist outfit responsible for 26/11, and Islamabad is reluctant to take action against its leaders and its network, several eminent US scholars and experts of South Asia have categorically told US lawmakers.

Attending a special Congressional hearing yesterday on 'Lashkar-e-Toiba and the Growing ambition of Islamic Militancy in Pakistan', Congressmen unanimously expressed concern that despite best of the efforts by the Obama Administration, the ISI continues to maintain links with LeT and that Pakistan is not taking decisive action against the terrorist outfit.

"The LeT is a deadly serious group of fanatics. They are well financed, ambitious, and most disturbingly, both tolerated by, and connected to, the Pakistani military," said Gary L Ackerman, Chairman of the House Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia of the House Committee on International Relations.

And it is the same Pakistani military, to which the Obama Administration is selling advanced arms, he pointed out.

Testifying before the Congressional committee, Marvin G Weinbaum, from the Middle East Institute - a Washington-based think tank, said despite the government official ban of LeT, ISI continued to consider the organisation as an asset.

The ISI is believed to continue to share intelligence and provide protection to LeT, he said.

"It is a measure of the impunity with which LeT is allowed to operate in Pakistan that the authorities have been unwilling to contain LeT chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed. His inflammatory remarks would be expected to land him among the hundreds of disappeared political activists in the country. Although he has been periodically arrested, his house detentions have been cosmetic," Weinbaum said.

Noting that LeT poses a threat to the US national security interests, Lisa Curtis from the Heritage Foundation said the appearance of LeT leader Hafiz Muhammed Saeed at a recent public rally casts grave doubts about Pakistan's commitment to reining in the group's activities.

Curtis said it has been a failure of US policy to not insist Pakistan shut down the LeT long ago. US officials have shied away from pressuring Pakistan on the LeT in the interest of garnering Pakistani cooperation against targets the US believed were more critical to immediate US objectives, that is al-Qaeda shortly after 9/11 and the Afghan Taliban more recently.

"To degrade the overall international terrorist threat emanating from Pakistan, the US must convince Islamabad to confront those groups it has supported against India," Curtis said.

The Mumbai attacks and subsequent Headley investigations reveal that the LeT has the international capabilities and ideological inclination to attack western targets whether they are located in South Asia or elsewhere.

Eminent Pakistani scholar Shuja Nawaz too conceded that the relationship between the ISI and LeT has stayed overtime.

Nawaz is currently the director, South Asia Center, The Atlantic Council of the United States. "The LeT's emerging role as a trans regional force that has broadened its aim to include India and perhaps even Afghanistan, by linking with the Students Islamic Movement of India or SIMI and the Harkat ul Jihad al Islami or HUJI of Bangladesh poses a serious threat to regional stability," Nawaz said.

"Another Mumbai-type attack involving the LeT might bring India and Pakistan into conflict, a prospect that should keep us awake at night. In Pakistan, both the civil and the military now appear to recognise the existential threat from home grown militancy.

"The army appears to have dislocated the Tehreek e Taliban of Pakistan. Yet, it faces a huge and, to my mind, greater threat in the hinterland, in the form of the LeT," he said.

Ashley J Tellis, senior associate at the prestigious Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, told lawmakers that today LeT relies on the ISI primarily for safe haven and political protection for its leadership, intelligence on selected targets and threats, campaign guidance when necessary, and infiltration assistance, particularly in regard to long distance operations involving transits through third countries.

"Although the interrogation of David Headley has now established that there were clearly some shadowy ISI connections with the Bombay attacks, the management of the LeT detainees by the Pakistani state and the tortured progress of their trial demonstrates that, whatever the outcome of this charade, the ISI has simply no intention of eviscerating LeT (or any other anti-Indian jihadi groups) because of their perceived utility to Pakistan¿s national strategy vis-à -vis India," Tellis said.

"So long as the Pakistani Army and the security establishment more generally conclude that their private interests (and their conception of the national interest) are undermined by a permanent reconciliation between India and Pakistan, they will not rid themselves of the terrorist groups they have begotten and which serve their purposes - irrespective of what New Delhi or Kabul or Washington may desire," he said.

"This fact ought to be understood clearly by the Obama administration. Once it is, it may push the United States to either compel Pakistan to initiate action against LeT or hold Pakistan responsible for the actions of its proxies.

If these efforts do not bear fruit, the United States will have to contemplate unilateral actions (or cooperative actions with other allies) to neutralize the most dangerous of the terrorist groups now resident in Pakistan.

Doing so may be increasingly necessary not simply to prevent a future Indo-Pakistani crisis, but more importantly to protect the United States, its citizens, its interests, and its allies," Tellis said.
 
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the pigLeTs also have hyderabad and junagarh in their agenda........ and then they say indians want akhand bharat.
 
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Then get ready for a 4th full scale Indo-Pak war, this time may be going to be a nuclear war.

Oh Bhaisaab, do you think war is like playing playstaion?
thats the problem, extremism, has to be rejected!!
You just gave a fine example why!
 
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Who said I support a terrorist organization. I dont support india who is using water TERRORISM against Pakistan that will eventually lead to a full scale war over water.

LeT's only beef with india is over Kashmir, thats why it was created because of india's occupation of Kashmir.

Solve Kashmir, half of your headache is over.

Last time i checked LeT is a terrorist organization banned internationally for terrorist activities. As far as water terrorism is concerned go to world courts who stopped. if you dont have good lawyers hire them from outside. what can we do if you end up loosing cases.

And do you think you can scummb india into pressure using such proxies then my friend India can continue on the same stance for next 20 years but does your economy have the might to sustain the cold war with India for next 20 years. we wont fight a war and we wont let the peace and continue on the current trend. you will end up training these guys and one day the dogs will turn to masters when they will be devoid of resources. i think you already have an example. dont try to set the another one.
 
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U.S. needs Pakistan's help in bringing peace in Afghanistan and reconciling the Taliban with the Afghan government, they cant afford to be on Pakistan's bad side.

Ever thought of what will happen after US's goal is met. ?? Any leverage created on the basis of blackmail only stays till the threat is maintained. Once the threat is removed or it manifests itself, the leverage is gone.. In case of Afg, that state is not too far.

Pakistan has already made too many sacrafices for this War OF terror, we are not going to make more sacrafices certainly not for india's interests.
Crushing a terrorist organization is a sacrifice??
 
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And who will crush them? This congressman in U.S. who obviously is in love with indians, indians are even giving him awards for serving indian interests in the U.S. congress.

U.S. needs Pakistan's help in bringing peace in Afghanistan and reconciling the Taliban with the Afghan government, they cant afford to be on Pakistan's bad side.

Pakistan has already made too many sacrafices for this War OF terror, we are not going to make more sacrafices certainly not for india's interests.

Dan Burton, the top Republican on the panel, said LeT's growing influence had serious implications for regional and international security.

"Dismantling and eliminating the threat posed by LeT is clearly no easy task but we cannot shy away from it," said Burton. "As we all know, Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal which would pose a grave threat to the entire region should it fall under the control of extremists."


Does this name Dan Burton ring a bell ? It should ! He was for many years considered to be Pakistan's best friend in the U.S. congress. He seemed to agree with the guy you say is India's friend.

Then get ready for a 4th full scale Indo-Pak war, this time may be going to be a nuclear war.

Better to risk a terrible end than suffer terror without end.
 
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Dan Burton, the top Republican on the panel, said LeT's growing influence had serious implications for regional and international security.

"Dismantling and eliminating the threat posed by LeT is clearly no easy task but we cannot shy away from it," said Burton. "As we all know, Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal which would pose a grave threat to the entire region should it fall under the control of extremists."


Does this name Dan Burton ring a bell ? It should ! He was for many years considered to be Pakistan's best friend in the U.S. congress. He seemed to agree with the guy you say is India's friend.

And what are these people going to do. Drone attacks in Punjab province of Pakistan? The most populated province of PAKISTAN, while Pakistan is helping U.S. fight Taliban !!!
Only in india's dreams !!!

As I said before, Pakistan will not make any sacrafices for India's interests.

Better to solve the root cause of existence of LeT, which is the Kashmir dispute.
 
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I dont know why they think they have a god given right to do anything they like since kashmir is a disputed territory. going by the same logic we can also finance things in P-o-K. And then the people start getting agitated

Lol, now thats playing hard bal!!!
 
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And what are these people going to do. Drone attacks in Punjab province of Pakistan? The most populated province of PAKISTAN, while Pakistan is helping U.S. fight Taliban !!!
Only in india's dreams !!!

As I said before, Pakistan will not make any sacrafices for India's interests.

Better to solve the root cause of existence of LeT, which is the Kashmir dispute.

Dont dodge this question this time Omar, like you did the last time!
In what way, is eliminating a TERRORIST ORGANISATION a sacrifice for Pakistan?
 
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And what are these people going to do. Drone attacks in Punjab province of Pakistan? The most populated province of PAKISTAN, while Pakistan is helping U.S. fight Taliban !!!
Only in india's dreams !!!
If they found Talibs there they will and they can and they have done in the past.

As I said before, Pakistan will not make any sacrafices for India's interests.
As i said we also know how to turn a blind eye and there are many contestants who would like us turn a blind eye and find a safe heaven in India. Ask China one old man and whole nation in frenzy. Remember they are china and you are just Pakistan.

Better to solve the root cause of existence of LeT, which is the Kashmir dispute.

Sorry we are in no mood to blackmailed and if any one tries to solve it with pressure sorry people will come down to streets in India.
 
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Dont dodge this question this time Omar, like you did the last time!
In what way, is eliminating a TERRORIST ORGANISATION a sacrifice for Pakistan?

Dont you read the news? Dont you see whenever we start an operation against a militant group theres terror attacks in other parts of the country because of retaliation.

If we go after every anti-india group in Pakistan, they wont just sit quiet, they'll relatiate and we are not going to make sacrafices for india as we did for this war of terror.

And no Pakistani will support it, because let me tell you most Pakistanis hate india more because of water disputes and Kashmir disputes with india than any anti-india group in Pakistan.
 
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Dont you read the news? Dont you see whenever we start an operation against a militant group theres terror attacks in other parts of the country because of retaliation.

If we go after every anti-india group in Pakistan, they wont just sit quiet, they'll relatiate and we are not going to make sacrafices for india as we did for this war of terror.

And no Pakistani will support it, because let me tell you most Pakistanis hate india more because of water disputes and Kashmir disputes with india than any anti-india group in Pakistan.

But too keep its standing in international community, Pakistan must crack down on such groups! Also, it was the your state which nurtured these terrorists, so you guys should be responsible to eliminate them.
These are all poisonous fruits you are bearing, because you planted the seeds of terror on your soil with your own hands.
 
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Dont you read the news? Dont you see whenever we start an operation against a militant group theres terror attacks in other parts of the country because of retaliation.

If we go after every anti-india group in Pakistan, they wont just sit quiet, they'll relatiate and we are not going to make sacrafices for india as we did for this war of terror.

And no Pakistani will support it, because let me tell you most Pakistanis hate india more because of water disputes and Kashmir disputes with india than any anti-india group in Pakistan.

And don't you read current affairs. Do you want the LET to turn its guns towards Pakistan and start creating trouble before you start to act on them. Similar Justification was there for Taliban, they only had "FREEDOM" of Afghanistan on their agenda. Rest as they say is history.

These are fanatics with no other skills then to kill or get killed. If you will not act upon them and their numbers keep on swelling, facing no progress on Kashmir front - THEY WILL turn back towards Pakistan. Then it will no longer remain a favour towards India, and it will not earn you the same amount of negotiating Powers than if done on your own, without the compulsions.

And since you are spokes person of entire Pakistani Population, I do sincerely believe that India does not even feature in their social discussions very frequently, Leave alone willingness to kill or to die for. And I did not see any major retaliation for arrest of either Lakhwi and his gang of goons or House arrest of Hafiz. I can understand India being included in discussion on this forum - Since it is defence related and we don't exactly get along. Although I might be referring to Pakistan in each of my posts, in my everyday discussion - Pakistan hardly features. So quit the rant comparing every Pakistani being obsessed hatred for india, while these scums do it as a full time job.
 
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