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Hello

Basically my aunt is giving loan to one of her friend's husband who wants to buy a shop in London. He promises to return the money after 12 months and also promises to share agreed amount of net profit with my aunt who trusts her a lot.

Now she wants me to bear witness of this transaction but as usual I am sceptical about all such transactions outside family so I insisted her to have a written agreement so that she has some sort of proof that she lend her money to her friend's husband. I have also convinced her to do bank transaction as she was about to hand over the money in cash. It's not a small amount but she somehow managed to arrange cash. Now I insist her to have at least the basic agreement something like this

Sample-Loan-Agreement.png


But what is the legal value of this agreement? What can she do to ensure that in case he refuses to pay the amount she has some sort of authority to demand her money back.

PS: Please do not come with posts like she shouldn't lend money, it's not right, whatever... as it's beyond my control. The money is going to her friend's husband and I have already tried to change her mind, but in vain. My job is to witness the transaction but I have forced her to do bank transfer + written agreement. I wanted it to happen through some sort of solicitor or legal channel but I am not sure if they take such cases. The money will be handed over today so I thought why not ask from friends before its too late

Thanks for advice
 
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1. Transfer cash through the bank, account to account.
2. Defintely see a solicitor and ask them to write up something formal for you. It'll cost you a bit of money, but it is nothing compared to the amount you're likely risking. Solicitors defintely do this sort of thing.
 
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You have already taken safe steps so consider further addition as follows.

Transaction must be made through bank account. Yes & Must.

Legal agreement must be signed in presence of two minimum witnesses, enclose valid IDs, witnesses will sign agreement acknowledging terms & conditions of agreement.

As in Pakistan mostly legal papers/agreements are made through Stamp (Duty) Paper duly attested by oath commissioner. Not sure how it works in UK but it may be something like that. If agreement amount is huge, as you said, advocate can guide you further about procedure of Legal Paper.
 
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1. Transfer cash through the bank, account to account.
2. Defintely see a solicitor and ask them to write up something formal for you. It'll cost you a bit of money, but it is nothing compared to the amount you're likely risking. Solicitors defintely do this sort of thing.
i second that; make sure this is done via a legal framework and formal transfer process.
 
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There are official documents and templates which should available to you through some legal agency or website. I think bank transfer is important if the amount is larger than a certain threshold.
 
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Hello

Basically my aunt is giving loan to one of her friend's husband who wants to buy a shop in London. He promises to return the money after 12 months and also promises to share agreed amount of net profit with my aunt who trusts her a lot.

Now she wants me to bear witness of this transaction but as usual I am sceptical about all such transactions outside family so I insisted her to have a written agreement so that she has some sort of proof that she lend her money to her friend's husband. I have also convinced her to do bank transaction as she was about to hand over the money in cash. It's not a small amount but she somehow managed to arrange cash. Now I insist her to have at least the basic agreement something like this

Sample-Loan-Agreement.png


But what is the legal value of this agreement? What can she do to ensure that in case he refuses to pay the amount she has some sort of authority to demand her money back.

PS: Please do not come with posts like she shouldn't lend money, it's not right, whatever... as it's beyond my control. The money is going to her friend's husband and I have already tried to change her mind, but in vain. My job is to witness the transaction but I have forced her to do bank transfer + written agreement. I wanted it to happen through some sort of solicitor or legal channel but I am not sure if they take such cases. The money will be handed over today so I thought why not ask from friends before its too late

Thanks for advice

Having a written agreement is a must.

Don't know how the law works in the UK but in India such an agreement would have legal validity provided it is a registered agreement. Meaning thereby that stamp duty has to be paid to the revenue department. It has to be registered at the sub-registrar's office in the district where it is signed. Then it becomes a legally valid document and if any party breaches any terms of the agreement, you can approach a court.

I would suggest consult a local lawyer for what kind of terms the agreement must have. Only consult at a basic level since the amount here wont be much i assume. You can use online templates as well but I would still suggest show it to a local lawyer and certainly have it registered once it is signed by both parties and witnesses.

UK must have something similar since both India and UK are common law countries.
 
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I wanted to involve solicitor but I don't have time. She was phoning me since last 10 days but due to my work commitment I had no time to talk to her properly. She know that I have a day off today so she organised everything in 1 day. I have only sought couple of hours before I will have to go to her house.

So should I make an agreement similar to shown above and then ask him to accompany me for solicitors office later on. But the amount is going today regardless

Having a written agreement is a must.

Don't know how the law works in the UK but in India such an agreement would have legal validity provided it is a registered agreement. Meaning thereby that stamp duty has to be paid to the revenue department. It has to be registered at the sub-registrar's office in the district where it is signed. Then it becomes a legally valid document and if any party breaches any terms of the agreement, you can approach a court.

I would suggest consult a local lawyer for what kind of terms the agreement must have. Only consult at a basic level since the amount here wont be much i assume. You can use online templates as well but I would still suggest show it to a local lawyer and certainly have it registered once it is signed by both parties and witnesses.

UK must have something similar since both India and UK are common law countries.
It's £50,000 for 33% share for 1 year when he promises to return the entire sum to retain 100% share of his business
 
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@Zaki bro, see the common denominator, everyone is saying that,
  1. It should be a bank transfer
  2. Written legal document duly signed with witnesses
I would say if these two conditions are not agreed by all, then you should stay away from it and spare yourself from any future troubles. However, included some soft clauses that allow the recipient of the loan to feel easy in case of some unforeseen situation etc. It should be qarz-e-hasana (interest free) otherwise everyone who participates in it will be a sinner except who is compelled by circumstances.
 
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The agreement and bank transaction is a must but also 2 witnesses are also a must witness should sign and give proof of id
 
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I wanted to involve solicitor but I don't have time. She was phoning me since last 10 days but due to my work commitment I had no time to talk to her properly. She know that I have a day off today so she organised everything in 1 day. I have only sought couple of hours before I will have to go to her house.

So should I make an agreement similar to shown above and then ask him to accompany me for solicitors office later on. But the amount is going today regardless


It's £50,000 for 33% share for 1 year when he promises to return the entire sum to retain 100% share of his business
By the way any agreement is valid if it is signed by people. Make a video with voice recording if it is comfortable for all :)
 
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Zaki, I highly recommend you to read the following. I copied and pasted it from the website. (https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13180/writing-a-debt-and-having-it-witnessed)

Lending money to a person and having it witnessed

Question

Can you please tell me what is the correct procedure for giving debt (Lending money to a person).
I am comitting a mistake/sin if i dont keep a witness and lend some money to another person.


Answer


Praise be to Allaah.

The correct way of lending money is that mentioned by Allaah in Soorat al-Baqarah, in the aayah on debt, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! When you contract a debt for a fixed period, write it down. Let a scribe write it down in justice between you. Let not the scribe refuse to write as Allaah has taught him, so let him write. Let him (the debtor) who incurs the liability dictate, and he must fear Allaah, his Lord, and diminish not anything of what he owes. But if the debtor is of poor understanding, or weak, or is unable to dictate for himself, then let his guardian dictate in justice. And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her. And the witnesses should not refuse when they are called (for evidence). You should not become weary to write it (your contract), whether it be small or big, for its fixed term, that is more just with Allaah; more solid as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves, save when it is a present trade which you carry out on the spot among yourselves, then there is no sin on you if you do not write it down. But take witnesses whenever you make a commercial contract. Let neither scribe nor witness suffer any harm, but if you do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So be afraid of Allaah; and Allaah teaches you. And Allaah is the All-Knower of each and everything.

And if you are on a journey and cannot find a scribe, then let there be a pledge taken (mortgaging), then if one of you entrusts the other, let the one who is entrusted discharge his trust (faithfully), and let him be afraid of Allaah, his Lord. And conceal not the evidence, for he who hides it, surely, his heart is sinful. And Allaah is All-Knower of what you do”[al-Baqarah 2:282-283]

So the correct way of lending money is:

1-To specify the period of the loan, i.e., the length of time after which the loan must be repaid.

2-Writing down the loan and the time when it is to be repaid.

3-If the one who writes down the loan is a person other than the debtor, then the debtor is the one who should dictate to him the details of the loan.

4-If the debtor is unable to dictate because of sickness or some other reason, then the one who should dictate on his behalf is his guardian.

5-The loan should be witnessed, and the witnesses should be two men, or one man and two women.

6-The lender has the right to ask the borrower to guarantee the loan with a pledge which the lender will keep. The benefit of the pledge is that if the time comes for the debt to be repaid and the borrower refuses to pay, the item in pledge may be sold and the debt paid with that money; anything left over is to be given to the owner of the pledge, namely the debtor.


Guaranteeing a debt in one of these three ways (writing, witnesses or pledge) is mustahabb and is preferable, but it is not obligatory (waajib). Some of the scholars are of the view that it is obligatory to write down a loan, but most of the scholars say that it is mustahabb, and this is the more correct view. See Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 3/383. The reason for that is to protect people’s rights so that they will not be exposed to loss because of forgetfulness or confusion, and as a precaution against those who do not fear Allaah.

If a loan is not written down and not witnessed, and no pledge is taken, that does not mean that it is a sin. The aayah itself indicates that:

“then if one of you entrusts the other, let the one who is entrusted discharge his trust (faithfully), and let him be afraid of Allaah, his Lord”

[al-Baqarah 2:283 – interpretation of the meaning]

Trust means not guaranteeing the loan by writing it down, having it witnessed or asking for a pledge. But in this case it is essential to fear Allaah. Hence in this case Allaah commanded the one who is in debt to fear Allaah and discharge his trust: “let the one who is entrusted discharge his trust (faithfully), and let him be afraid of Allaah, his Lord”. See Tafseer al-Sa’di, 168-172.

If the loan is not written down and the debtor denies it or takes a long time to repay it, then the lender has no one to blame but himself, because he exposed his property to loss. It was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that if a loan is not written down, the du’aa’ of the lender against the debtor will not be accepted if he takes too long to pay or he denies the loan. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are three who call upon Allaah but their prayer will not be answered:… a man who lent money to another man but he did not have (the loan) witnessed.” (Saheeh al-Jaami’, 3075).

Whoever thinks about these rulings and others will see the perfection of the Islamic sharee’ah and how concerned it is to protect people’s rights and not expose them to loss. For Allaah commands the one who has wealth to protect it and not to expose it to loss, no matter how little it may be:

“You should not become weary to write it (your contract), whether it be small or big, for its fixed term”

[al-Baqarah 2:282 – interpretation of the meaning]

Is there any other law that combines the interests of this world and the Hereafter in such a perfect way as the Islamic sharee’ah does?

Could anyone come up with anything more perfect than these rulings?

Allaah the Almighty indeed spoke the truth when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith”

[al-Maa'idah 5:50]

We ask Allaah to make us steadfast in adhering to His religion until we meet Him adhering to it.

And Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and grant him peace.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13180/writing-a-debt-and-having-it-witnessed
 
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It's £50,000 for 33% share for 1 year when he promises to return the entire sum to retain 100% share of his business

You aren't going to know how well his business does, so can't be sure of anything. So you definitely need a solicitor before any thing.

So should I make an agreement similar to shown above and then ask him to accompany me for solicitors office later on. But the amount is going today regardless

In my humble opinion, no handing out a money before an official legal contract. If you need rescheduling because of time/office hours do so, but contract 1st then the money should be transferred through bank.
 
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I wanted to involve solicitor but I don't have time. She was phoning me since last 10 days but due to my work commitment I had no time to talk to her properly. She know that I have a day off today so she organised everything in 1 day. I have only sought couple of hours before I will have to go to her house.

So should I make an agreement similar to shown above and then ask him to accompany me for solicitors office later on. But the amount is going today regardless


It's £50,000 for 33% share for 1 year when he promises to return the entire sum to retain 100% share of his business

Draft an agreement using online templates then, though i would suggest still consult a local solicitor. Anyway, pay special attention to default clause in case of breach of the contract and the dispute resolution clause.
 
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By the way any agreement is valid if it is signed by people. Make a video with voice recording if it is comfortable for all :)
Usually loan contracts have rate of interest and its payment schedule (principal + interest) included as well. In your case you would have to include an agreeable percentage of net profit in addition to the principle. This may also make you liable for any net loss. Hence you may want to cover that up as well (although it makes the agreement unfair to one party).
 
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