Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore’s Founding Father, Dies at 91

[Gibbs]

Tiger economies of Asia? The names you have quoted were not from tigers!
one glove does not fit all.
True, universal law to any ideology.
If westerners really think so, the world is not so chaotic and brutal as what it is now.

Hence the reference "Almost" Tiger economies

 

[AndrewJin]

Hence the reference "Almost" Tiger economies

I think it's better to compare to real Asia Tigers, sorry, all dictators.
Dictators or centralised government tend to do excellently in East Asia and Chinese-dominant society.
Democracy operates well in western world. That's rooted in their culture.
For non-western non-East-Asia, they should find their own solutions.

 

[Azizam]

Hence the reference "Almost" Tiger economies

Mate, these are tiger economies of Asia:

Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan and South Korea. The names you mentioned are related to China, Indonesia, Philippines and Burma.

 

[Gibbs]

Mate, these are tiger economies of Asia:

Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan and South Korea. The names you mentioned are related to China, Indonesia, Philippines and Burma.

Again.. The word "Almost" was used with good reason

I think it's better to compare to real Asia Tigers, sorry, all dictators.
Dictators or centralised government tend to do excellently in East Asia and Chinese-dominant society.
Democracy operates well in western world. That's rooted in their culture.
For non-western non-East-Asia, they should find their own solutions.

You seem to miss the gist of my argument.. Those mentioned made sure thier potential tiger Economies went bust by thier dictatorial but failed governance.. On the other hand East Asian Tigers had dictators with more prudence for governance than accumulating personal wealth

 

[ahojunk]

Whether we like Lee Kuan Yew's style or not, it was effective for Singapore. He was a great leader and will be sorely missed. I may not like his style but I do have a great deal of respect and admiration for all he had done for Singapore. He had the guts to do what he thinks is right for Singapore given the circumstances at that time. He had no time for political correctness bs.

When you meet someone from Singapore, he/she will say he/she is Singaporean, period. Not Singaporean Chinese/Malay/Indian, etc. but Singaporean. He has made the people there to be proud Singaporeans. You can't say the same for Malaysia or Indonesia, they still have a long way to go.

Singapore today will not be what it is, if not for this great leader. He transformed Singapore from third World to first World in thirty years. He had made Singapore the envy of all countries in Asia, and the world.

Not even China today can go from third world to first world in 30 years, but China is a much bigger and more complex country. China indirectly owe LKY a gratitude as Deng Xiaopeng learnt a great deal from LKY. These helps to get China to where it is today. Also, a number of retired Singaporean ministers worked as advisers/consultants for the Chinese government.

 

[Established_1965]

Do watch till the end. This is Mr.Lee for you all

 

[Aepsilons]

Do watch till the end. This is Mr.Lee for you all

 

[powastick]

"In the late 1950s, the CIA were worried about what they saw as the PAP's close ties with pro-communist elements. They even approached the British Special Branch about it but the SB told the CIA not to worry (the British knew Lee better than the Americans). The CIA, naturally, decided to take matters into their own hands, and mounted their own covert op to infiltrate Singapore's intelligence apparatus. This was discovered in 1960.

The local CIA station chief then apparently tried to bribe Lee to hush up the matter, offering him US$3.3 million. Lee refused and counter-proposed US$33 million in aid to Singapore. Eventually, Dean Rusk, Kennedy's Secretary of State, who had inherited the mess, wrote Lee a formal letter of apology in 1961 for the affair.

But when Lee recounted the story a few years later, the CIA issued one of its automatic denials. Lee was enraged - not only had the CIA tried to bribe him like some tin-pot third world dictator, now they were calling him a liar. He produced the letter and threatened to broadcast tape recordings of the incident.

The CIA hastily retracted its denial.

Lee said, "The Americans should know the character of the men they are dealing with in Singapore and not get themselves further dragged into calumny. They are not dealing with Ngo Dinh Diem or Syngman Rhee. You do not buy and sell this Government."

- More at AllSingaporeStuff.comLEE KUAN YEW REJECTED S$3.3 MILLION BRIBE IN 1960 | All Singapore Stuff (***)

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

LKY is part of illuminati bloodline so naturally he would defend his master.

Bloodlines Of The Illuminati - Daniel Lazar - Google Books

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No doubt that LKY was part of the global rich elites, but some western conspiracists are making some outrageous claims that even CPC is running by the Illuminati, and Chairman Mao and other communist movement were also funded by the Illuminati.

This is clearly bullsh1t, and it is the usual tactic used by the global lobbyists by tarnishing the name of the communism.

Anyone with a brain can know that the communism is always the most hated thing by those rich elites, and why they have to fund their ultimate enemy?

 

[ahojunk]

In Malaysia there's a thing called a "Bumiputra" law. This law makes non malay citizens of Malaysia into a second class citizens.

Bumiputera (Malaysia) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorta like Apartheid...

Yes, it is indeed a form of apartheid dressed up as "affirmative action for the majority". The minorities in Malaysia are being discriminated by the majority. Every other country in the world are looking after their minorities, to ensure they are not disadvantaged, but not in Malaysia.

LKY is part of illuminati bloodline so naturally he would defend his master.

Bloodlines Of The Illuminati - Daniel Lazar - Google Books

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Thanks for this fairy tale. Calling it a fairy tale might be too kind. Let's call it what it is - bullsh*t.

 

[Aepsilons]

"In the late 1950s, the CIA were worried about what they saw as the PAP's close ties with pro-communist elements. They even approached the British Special Branch about it but the SB told the CIA not to worry (the British knew Lee better than the Americans). The CIA, naturally, decided to take matters into their own hands, and mounted their own covert op to infiltrate Singapore's intelligence apparatus. This was discovered in 1960.

The local CIA station chief then apparently tried to bribe Lee to hush up the matter, offering him US$3.3 million. Lee refused and counter-proposed US$33 million in aid to Singapore. Eventually, Dean Rusk, Kennedy's Secretary of State, who had inherited the mess, wrote Lee a formal letter of apology in 1961 for the affair.

But when Lee recounted the story a few years later, the CIA issued one of its automatic denials. Lee was enraged - not only had the CIA tried to bribe him like some tin-pot third world dictator, now they were calling him a liar. He produced the letter and threatened to broadcast tape recordings of the incident.

The CIA hastily retracted its denial.

Lee said, "The Americans should know the character of the men they are dealing with in Singapore and not get themselves further dragged into calumny. They are not dealing with Ngo Dinh Diem or Syngman Rhee. You do not buy and sell this Government."

- More at AllSingaporeStuff.comLEE KUAN YEW REJECTED S$3.3 MILLION BRIBE IN 1960 | All Singapore Stuff (***)

One of the finest writings I've read so far in this forum! Excellent !

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes, it is indeed a form of apartheid dressed up as "affirmative action for the majority". The minorities in Malaysia are being discriminated by the majority.



Thanks for this fairy tale. Calling it a fairy tale might be too kind. Let's call it what it is - bullsh*t.

Yep, he served for the interests of the western powers, but those Illuminati/Satanic/Reptilian bullsh1t theories just don't make any sense and full of logical paradox.

 

[waz]

Locked for clearing.

 

[mike2000]

Deng already had a vision to open China up back in the 1940s before Singapore was even recognize as an independent city state. If anything, Deng vision influence Lee Kuan Yew as he is 20 years his senior. It is only in 1970s that Deng vision is adopt by CCP. That's why there is this belief Deng learn from someone else. He already had that vision back when he was young, fighting in the revolution.

I agree to some extent with you. I myself dont think he is Deng's mentor per se, but Deng did learn some stuffs/policies/economic systems/opening up while maintaining the one party system etc from him. Even today PRC still learns/sends some of its officials to Singapore to learn from their experience as well. Thing is, you are right to say Deng had a vision to open China longggg time ago, before almost any country in Asia was even independent(bar Japan). Had he ruled China back then instead of Mao, i think China would have been a world superpower long ago and had a living standard on par with its East Asian peers like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan(all of which even dirived their culture/language etc from China, so by all measures China is just making up for all the lost time today, they are still far below their true potential when looking at their East Asian peers tbh).

Mao was indeed a brillant military leader(one of the best in history), but he really sucked at actually running a country's economy. He did lay a solid foundation for China though, In the beginning he indeed put the country before anything else(including himself), but as time moved on, he became power obssesed(as with all leader who stays too long in power) and was ready to do anything to keep it/remain at the top/helm, even if it meant ruinning the country he helped build/unite in the first place, he didnt care that much at the end, reason he launched the cultural revolution to purge his so called 'ennemies'(Deng and Xi's father included) and rivals. This is something China hasnt recovered from even till today. I think MAO's legacy will always be controversial, no matter how we look at it. I agree with the other Chinese member who said, had Mao be humble/loved his country above anything else to cede power like Deng did when he noticed he couldnt run the country sucessfully, he would have indeed be a great helsman/leader who everybody would unequivocally admiored/respected even today,but he didnt, which is why he tarnished his own image at the end, which wasnt the case in the beginning of his rule.

Anyay RIP to lee, he did his best back then, giving the ciircumstances and the anti Chinese hatred gripping Malaysia/Indonesia and much of SEA at the time. Wasnt an easy atsk for him i must say. He would never had the chance to lead Malaysia, since he is ETHNIC CHINESE , else there would have been a civil war.lool He tried his best, thats all i can say.

 

[Cossack25A1]

A true visionary with an excellent view on how to transform a country from poor to being rich.