LEAKED - India is burning Pakistan through TTP: Latif Ullah Mehsud TTP's 2nd In Command speaks out.

[Ray_of_Hope]

Did everything we could?????? More mental masturbation.

We never even tried to do $hit. CIA and MI6 both had stopped RAW from doing anything in Pak, what you see is your own "kia dhara".
https://defence.pk/threads/india’s-covert-action-capabilities-stymied-by-cia-mi6-pressure.419594/

Your PM already announced (and received medals) of India`s involvement in East Pakistan recently in Bangladesh.....So enough with this shit...

and they say I troll

Bety abhi so ja....subh school bhi jana hy...

 

[MadDog]

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Well, your government is quite proactive about it, every other fortnight you guys bomb our embassy and consulates in Afghanistan.... So, maybe ISI is listening to @Horus and you... That is after all democracy, will of the people.

Pakistan's consulate along with Indian & consulates from number of countries have been bombed in Afghanistan this & previous month, all claimed by daesh

 

[BountyHunter]

 

[Irfan Baloch]

To All dear members here.

Read Irfan Saab's post a 100 times, and try and comprehend what logic looks like.





@Irfan Baloch you have no clue how great is it to have you here.

you are being gracious
I wont apologise for India re TTP terrorism support because it will be foolish not to use the opportunity when there is instability in Pakistan since the American invasion of Afghanistan. but such commentary is lazy and escaping responsibility.

TTP is an inward monster of ours .. again its not because of LeT and JeM...they are irrelevant.
its a make up of us people.. and again I would exclude KSA and Iran from blame too. the hand of
Iran, India and KSA might have been catalyist but its the willingness of the host.

check this statement out repeated by general public and media persons. who say its all the mistake of Musharraf who sided with USA and betrayed the Taliban.. so TTP has the right to do what it is doing.
meaning if he had not done so.. TTP would have not have picked up arms against the state ( deferred the killing.)
the successful attacks on our bases have been because of insider information as well from those people who are sold to the terrorist ideology.

I ask my self what are three things that can help a state to recover and counter destabilisation?

1. effective protection / distance from conflict zone
2. friendly neighbours
3. good citizens (good means humane, loyal, moderate)

compare that to Pakistan

1. we got Afghanistan with borders that cant be controlled.next to us
2. all I can say is only Iran is indifferent to us at best
3. we got people who apologise for terrorists

As an Indian I would recommend the planners to slow down things a bit so that Americans are not forced to sit us down and and make us stop. so far there is nothing much for Pakistan to show to America which can close our shops so lets continue the program while it lasts.

we got a cleric in the capital who is openly challenging and mocking the state and when the police turns up to him requesting him to tone down his rhetoric he insults it and sends it away. the awesomeness of our COAS goes flat on the question of Red Mosque. the Cleric can summon 4K + guys and can practically cripple the capital if he wants to. not sure who is involved, definitely not India because that will be shameful for us but some say KSA is behind him and that explains his immunity.

 

[Mr.Nair]

You probably need a history lesson if u can`t distinguish between these two monsters......

Yes the good monster and bad monster.Tomorrow your good monsters will become bad monsters and there after don't blame us.Why can't you people ask your generals a simple question- 'Why we fought some one's war' ! Of course we know the reason since a statement so popular from a most powerful country-'u r with us or against us'

 

[MilSpec]

A discussion on critical path to obtain strategic and tactical measure is always welcome. I have no qualms about it. But when premise of an argument is based on fallacious claims (50 consulates, Indian weaponry). And are being peddled not even as argument but as facts, it becomes very disappointing, as displayed in last 11 pages.

In the last 11 pages, your post is the only one that has any introspection it it, and that is why I am not being gracious. Just stating the obvious.

you are being gracious
I wont apologise for India re TTP terrorism support because it will be foolish not to use the opportunity when there is instability in Pakistan since the American invasion of Afghanistan. but such commentary is lazy and escaping responsibility.

TTP is an inward monster of ours .. again its not because of LeT and JeM...they are irrelevant.
its a make up of us people.. and again I would exclude KSA and Iran from blame too. the hand of
Iran, India and KSA might have been catalyist but its the willingness of the host.

check this statement out repeated by general public and media persons. who say its all the mistake of Musharraf who sided with USA and betrayed the Taliban.. so TTP has the right to do what it is doing.
meaning if he had not done so.. TTP would have not have picked up arms against the state ( deferred the killing.)
the successful attacks on our bases have been because of insider information as well from those people who are sold to the terrorist ideology.

I ask my self what are three things that can help a state to recover and counter destabilisation?

1. effective protection / distance from conflict zone
2. friendly neighbours
3. good citizens (good means humane, loyal, moderate)

compare that to Pakistan

1. we got Afghanistan with borders that cant be controlled.next to us
2. all I can say is only Iran is indifferent to us at best
3. we got people who apologise for terrorists

As an Indian I would recommend the planners to slow down things a bit so that Americans are not forced to sit us down and and make us stop. so far there is nothing much for Pakistan to show to America which can close our shops so lets continue the program while it lasts.

we got a cleric in the capital who is openly challenging and mocking the state and when the police turns up to him requesting him to tone down his rhetoric he insults it and sends it away. the awesomeness of our COAS goes flat on the question of Red Mosque. the Cleric can summon 4K + guys and can practically cripple the capital if he wants to. not sure who is involved, definitely not India because that will be shameful for us but some say KSA is behind him and that explains his immunity.

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Yes the good monster and bad monster.Tomorrow your good monsters will become bad monsters and there after don't blame us.Why can't you people ask your generals a simple question- 'Why we fought some one's war' ! Of course we know the reason since a statement so popular from a most powerful country-'u r with us or against us'

Nope just two monsters.One which is being funded and trained by India and fucked by us and the other which we don`t care about....

 

[Atlanticore]

sorry, but such a serious allegation from the site admin, I'm compelled to come to the defence of my homeland.

my main point is, that even if some external forces are trying to destabilize your country, what makes it so easy for them to find willing Pakistani nationals so eager to be cannon fodder for these outsiders' nefarious intentions... is there not a bigger problem within certain sections of Pakistani society itself that needs to be dealt with before you can do anything about the foreign hand ?

and might Saudi funded sallafist/wahhabi ideology have anything to do with it ?

so much chaos and terror, surely some introspection is in order.

Problems are found in almost every Society in this World but There are some harsh ground realities which might be difficult to understand for some people. Cold War is an Idea which still being used by Many countries to destablize their rivals mostly by the Allies of Russia which have seen a wide strategic turn points during the Cold War Era. Same is the case with Militancy. Without a proper Funding and Support the Terrorist organizations can't breath for longer then a day. Sri lanka is Quite an impressive example of this, when they found the Blood Lines of Tamils they started cutting those Blood lines which made the organization weaker and with final blow SLA crushed the Organization which proved that LTTE was surviving on foreign aid and without it they fell apart.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Of course, all of this nonsense of a "foreign hand" falls apart the moment you actually apply any level of scrutiny to Pakistan's society. No amount of "foreign hands" could explain the DEEP fractures running within Pakistani society- the entire absence of non-muslim minorities, the systamatic targeting of minority muslims (Shias, Ahdemis etc) by the poltical establishment in Pakistan, the dereliction of any degree of governance in large swathes of Pakistani territory- KPK, Sindh, Balouchistan, the contonued exsistence of Fuedal elite and no land reforms to speak of in 60+ years etc

I don't need to be convinced of any external involvment in Pakistan's affairs when I read the CPEC threads here on PDF and see the faultines clearly represented within Pakistan. All outside of Punjab are paranoid (apparently with good reason judging by historic precedent) that the Punjabis are looking to secure their interests above all else and not working for the good of the country. Bolouch on the other hand are openly stating that this is the final straw and either they get what they perceive as their due or there will be no CPEC. When Pak army generals and former presidents are the wealthiest in your nation there is something DEEPLY wrong going on and you can't ignore this reality from the populace forever nor can you expect them to simply sit there and allow the status quo to continue.

I have to say the CPEC issue has brought many of these faultines to the fore and I have seen the extent to which Pakistan is fractured greater than ever before. I would well recomend reading through those threads on the Economy section here on PDF- it is eye opening.

You don't need RAW/Mossad/CIA running around your country when you have this level of deep set paranoia and resentment of your fellow countrymen.

This is before we even address the institutionlised radicalisation YOUR leaders have overseen since the 1960s.

Put all this together and you have a tinderbox, don't be suprised if the spark comes...

The entire absence of any degree of introspection just further fuels the fissures found within Pakistan, forget a band aid being applied- they simply pour gasoline onto the embers.

Don't you all think this is a far more viable explanation for the mess Pakistan finds itself in than a few consulates in Afghanistan orchastrating the entire downfall of a nation of >200 million people!! I doubt that external players are entirely absent inside Pakistan but to claim they responsible for the deepset injustices within Pakistan's society for which much of Pakistan's violence is attributable is just nonsense. These external players will merely take advantadge of the mess you have created for yourselves but they are not demigods able to cause the kind of widespread devestation Pakistan has found itself in.

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[JonAsad]

As always

Ofcourse as always - no body can compete with you in killing innocent civilians -

 

[Tiger Genie]

This video is exactly like one thief showing a video a fellow gang member accusing someone else of a crime...as if this is proof! The whole world knows and many Pakistani leaders have admitted the nexus between terrorists and military agency

 

[cleverrider]

NO not true. and no doctor/official confirmed any such thing.

Then it’s probably here say, some are claiming they have seen it with their own eyes. Media blackout in Peshawar hospitals and I have heard that’s where the post mortem were carried out.


Plus the casualties number is higher than 40, have you had any interaction with any of the families that have lost their loved ones as a media person?

 

[Mr.Nair]

This video is exactly like one thief showing a video a fellow gang member accusing someone else of a crime...as if this is proof! The whole world knows and many Pakistani leaders have admitted the nexus between terrorists and military agency

Every one questioning their ex generals,sorry not indian media

Especially watch from 08:50 to 10:00

 

[Robinhood Pandey]

For the sake of argument, even if we assume that India is financing TTP through direct or Indirect channels. Why people are expecting otherwise ??

We are enemies afterall and doing what a worthy enemy should do i.e to exploit your weakness.

 

[Abingdonboy]

For the sake of argument, even if we assume that india is financing TTP through direct or Indirect channels. Why people are expecting otherwise ??

For the sake of argument, if it was true- R&AW's annual budget is <$500 million USD, so for a fraction of this (they won't devout their entire budget to onw task obviously) R&AW have been able to keep Pakistan, a nation with nuclear weapons, a massive military, >200 million people etc, on its knees for over a decade? That's not a bad ROI by any measure.

The above is simply tongue and cheek to showcase the absurdity of Pakistanis' assertions.