Leading in the VUCA world - How the Armed Forces do it [VIDEO]

[Abingdonboy]

Leading in the VUCA world - How the Armed Forces do it | RAGHU RAMAN | TEDxIITBHU - YouTube


A very insightful video and well worth watching

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[Levina]

Leading in the VUCA world - How the Armed Forces do it | RAGHU RAMAN | TEDxIITBHU - YouTube


A very insightful video and well worth watching

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[Levina]

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Let's not deviate this thread, I'll post details on your profile.

 

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[Levina]

Wow!!!
I don't think we knew so much about 26/11 till Capt.Raghu Raman revealed it.

What I found impressive about the operation:
1) cover firing by snipers at Taj: The idea of utilising fire brigade for the ops was brilliant.
2) No collateral deaths after NSG took charge- a textbook op, which impressed the forces of 25 other countries.

Hats off to the NSG!!!

 

[noksss]

Wow!!!
I don't think we knew so much about 26/11 till Capt.Raghu Raman revealed it.

What I found impressive about the operation:
1) cover firing by snipers at Taj: The idea of utilising fire brigade for the ops was brilliant.
2) No collateral deaths after NSG took charge- a textbook op, which impressed the forces of 25 other countries.

Hats off to the NSG!!!

And still Pakistanis mock our special forces about Mumbai attack . He helped me understand how complex the operation was and all the SOP and drills which was practiced for single operation has to be replicated for simultaneous operation and the difficulty in identifying a civilian and terrorist when you throw a stun grande inside a room and a lot more. so if you do simple maths on lets say completing the whole operation in 1 day .

Taj has around 500 rooms if they have to complete the operation in 24 hours that is 1440 minutes they should take something like 500*3minutes = 1500 so they should clear all the rooms in 3 minutes which no commandos in the world can do so Actually they took 60 hours to complete the operation 60 hours = 3600 minutes so it means they took (500 * 7.5 = 3750 minutes ) approximately 7-8 minutes to clear each room which i feel is a good operation

 

[Kurlang]

Funny... Another Bollywood drama..

 

[Abingdonboy]

And still Pakistanis mock our special forces about Mumbai attack . He helped me understand how complex the operation was and all the SOP and drills which was practiced for single operation has to be replicated for simultaneous operation and the difficulty in identifying a civilian and terrorist when you throw a stun grande inside a room and a lot more. so if you do simple maths on lets say completing the whole operation in 1 day .

Taj has around 500 rooms if they have to complete the operation in 24 hours that is 1440 minutes they should take something like 500*3minutes = 1500 so they should clear all the rooms in 3 minutes which no commandos in the world can do so Actually they took 60 hours to complete the operation 60 hours = 3600 minutes so it means they took (500 * 7.5 = 3750 minutes ) approximately 7-8 minutes to clear each room which i feel is a good operation

The 60 hour figure also includes the time taken to search every nook and cranny of all 3 locations and make safe all explosives and weapons the terrorists had brought with them (which were present in considerable quantities ) before which the NSG would not and could not hand back control to the local authorities and officially state the operation complete and give an official "all clear".

 

[noksss]

The 60 hour figure also includes the time taken to search every nook and cranny of all 3 locations and make safe all explosives and weapons the terrorists had brought with them (which were present in considerable quantities ) before which the NSG would not and could not hand back control to the local authorities and officially state the operation complete and give an official "all clear".

Till date no one has clearly explained it to a common man on why it took so long for the completion of the operation . Also did the 25 countries Raghu Raman quoting was to learn the tactics from NSG or to learn how to deal with such a threat back home? because I remember NSG went to learn about the mall siege of 3 days in Africa not because they are impressed with the African forces but simply to fine tune their doctrine . Correct me if I am wrong in this

 

[Levina]

Funny... Another Bollywood drama..

Not really.
The man was giving a lecture on how to enhance one's muscle memory. Want a trial???

The 60 hour figure also includes the time taken to search every nook and cranny of all 3 locations

I have a doubt.
There were 70-80 men who were responsible for sanitising the 3 locations, were they working in shifts?
I am sure no human being can show high degree of alertness beyond 24hours. So how did they really share their tasks over a period of 60hours?
I'm confused because he also said that as these men continued their movement upwards in the hotel and Nariman building, their strength kept reducing.

 

[Abingdonboy]

There were 70-80 men who were responsible for sanitising the 3 locations, were they working in shifts?

You make a valid point about the inherent nature of human beings to need rest after an extended period of time and I'm sure that there was a system in place- perhaps a 15-20 min nap for 4-5 operators at a time but I wouldn't have thought there was any "shift" system in place as their numbers were not enough for 1/3rd of them to be out of action at any one time. It is not uncommon in military operations for operators/soldiers to go for long periods with such little sleep and this was an extraordinary operation pushing everyone to the limit.

+ @levina in case you don't know the PARA (SF)'s selection process includes a "hell week" where operators get 7-8 hours of sleep in an entire week (15 mins here and there). The US SFs have similar extreme tests.

I'm confused because he also said that as these men continued their movement upwards in the hotel and Nariman building, their strength kept reducing.

I think the speaker explained why this was the case- as the teams cleared each floor- floor by floor, they had to deploy a few operators on each of the floors they had just cleared so as the rest of the team pushed on the terrorists could not move behind the team into sanitised areas.

Also did the 25 countries Raghu Raman quoting was to learn the tactics from NSG or to learn how to deal with such a threat back home? because I remember NSG went to learn about the mall siege of 3 days in Africa not because they are impressed with the African forces but simply to fine tune their doctrine . Correct me if I am wrong in this

Well it will be a bit of both. The NSG would clearly have the best possible information on a) the terrorists tactics b) their equipment and preparations c)the challenges encountered when undertaking such a massive operation in such a setting d) how they conducted this operation.

As such the relevant units will take what they want from this information and apply it back home to their training and preparations just how the NSG wanted to visit the Kenyan mall so as to assess how they could respond in such a scenario back home.

 

[Levina]

n case you don't know the PARA (SF)'s selection process includes a "hell week" where operators get 7-8 hours of sleep in an entire week (15 mins here and there). The US SFs have similar extreme test

Yes I have heard of "hell week" trainings given to MARCOS. But I didn't know that they sleep for just one hour a day during the sleep deprivation training.
Gosh!
How do they survive it?

I think the speaker explained why this was the case- as the teams cleared each floor- floor by floor, they had to deploy a few operators on each of the floors they had just cleared so as the rest of the team pushed on the terrorists could not move behind the team into sanitised areas

No, I meant this fact contradicted with the fact that the commandos worked non-stop.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Yes I have heard of "hell week" trainings given to MARCOS. But I didn't know that they sleep for just one hour a day during the sleep deprivation training.
Gosh!
How do they survive it?

MARCOs and PARA (SF), not sure about the Garuds but I'm sure they have their own extreme selection process.

As to how they survive I cannot comment, this is the extremes of human endurance and these units are looking for the best of the best, to a layman this is unthinkable but to a select few it is doable. There is a reason these units have a 85-90% failure rate and, in fact, it is possible that no one stands up to these tests during selection and an entire batch is flunked- this happens often.

No, I meant this fact contradicted with the fact that the commandos worked non-stop.

Non-stop as in 15 mins rests here or there. Usually in military operations a military commander will tell his 2IC about the level of deployment and rest for his troops to be on i.e. 75% (meaning 25% of the unit will be resting at any one time) but in this case the level would have been 100% so for all intense and purposes non-stop.