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Ending Pakistan's proxy war in Afghanistan
BY CHRIS ALEXANDER, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 03/27/21 02:00 PM EDT
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL




Ending Pakistan's proxy war in Afghanistan

© Getty
This month’s talks with the Taliban have focused on preventing another “spring offensive.” But after two decades of U.S. and NATO military operations, we should be asking a more basic question: Why is Afghanistan still at war?
The answer is deceptively simple: Afghanistan’s conflict continues because, through the Taliban and other proxies, Pakistan’s military is still waging covert war against its neighbor.
Let’s look back.

When Osama Bin Laden slipped over the border into Pakistan’s Kurram Agency in late 2001, he joined thousands of al Qaeda and Taliban fighters already sheltering in madrassas, safe houses or training camps run by terrorist outfits across Pakistan.They received massive clandestine support from Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
In 2003, with the U.S., United Kingdom and others distracted by the invasion of Iraq, ISI proxies attacked aid workers in Afghanistan. In 2005, they set out to subjugate Afghanistan’s southern provinces.
Hardly a hunted man, Bin Laden lived in several Pakistani cities before settling into his comfortable compound at Abbottabad, on the doorstep of Pakistan’s West Point.
U.S. forces eventually pushed back the Taliban’s offensive around Kandahar. But Bin Laden’s “hosts” went on to become prominent in Pakistan’s “miltablishment.” Even after the al Qaeda kingpin was killed in 2011 on Pakistani soil, ISI proxies moved aggressively to re-take territory lost in Afghanistan during the Obama surge. Pakistan’s proxy war has been an open secret ever since.
Why, almost two decades after 9/11, is the ISI still waging this proxy war? For one, they are obsessed with India: for Rawalpindi’s zero-sum military planners, a Taliban-free Afghanistan would be a dangerous playground for their arch-rival.
Second, they are reprising a two-century-old drama: for U.S. cold warriors in the 1980s, as for pre-1947 British Raj strategists, interfering in Afghanistan was an old habit and an article of faith. By waging proxy war today, ISI is indulging colonial instincts and anti-Soviet reflexes.

But such deadly atavism is putting them on the wrong side of history. In Afghanistan alone, ISI’s proxy war since 2001 has killed over 124,000 people.
In Pakistan, runaway military spending has undercut education and stunted growth: Per capita income has barely doubled since 2001, while in India it has more than quadrupled.
ISI’s proxy war inertia is now hobbling South Asia’s potential.
In any other country, tens of thousands of fighters, bomb-makers and assassins streaming across the border would trigger domestic outrage and international condemnation.
The real question is not why Pakistan’s military continues down this self-destructive path, but rather why they were not stopped sooner.
By the time ISI resumed full-scale proxy war, Washington was bogged down in the Persian Gulf. Once the full intelligence picture of Pakistan’s duplicity emerged, the will to act had vanished in the 2008-09 financial crisis, which turned the U.S. and NATO allies inward.
This drift continued even after SEAL Team Six found Bin Laden in 2011.
A reckoning is overdue. What is needed? For starters, consistency. Russian President Vladimir Putin and his cronies face sanctions for invading Ukraine and murdering rivals. Iran and Syria are under embargo for a toxic mix of proxy wars, genocide and banned weapons. Boycotts are hitting China’s ruling party, as genocide and repression deepen there. Those directing Pakistan’s proxy war belong on this list.

It has cost 2,300 American and 1,200 other NATO lives, undoing years of progress on education, health and women’s rights.
By avoiding this issue, we have prolonged Afghanistan’s agony and emboldened the delusive few eager to notch another superpower defeat on their belts.
We have also given false comfort to Putin, Iran’s Khamenei, Turkey’s Erdogan and other dictators now pursuing destructive military adventures.
The facts of this proxy war are no longer in dispute, as my recent report notes. Action to end it would yield benefits well beyond South Asia, while restoring U.S. credibility and strengthening the alliances Washington is once again championing.

The quickest, most cost-effective way to bring peace to Afghanistan would not take more fighting or more troops: it requires only the political will to sanction this proxy war’s sponsors.
After all, armed interference in a neighboring country should be a relic of the colonial and totalitarian past; for Afghans, such meddling has been a 43-year nightmare.
The U.S. and NATO should pledge joint political action to end this proxy war, which has killed our soldiers: all democracies should be making a strong, unified push for accountability.
Those in Pakistan still supporting proxy war in Afghanistan should face tough sanctions
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Pakistan should be on the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) black list. Afghanistan can only be portrayed as an “endless war” – a Vietnam-like sinkhole for lives and billions – by those who ignore this last major obstacle to peace. The only “forever war” has been ISI’s decades of aggression in Afghanistan.
After 20 years of hard effort, the path to a ceasefire and enduring peace in Afghanistan requires collective action, by the U.S. and its allies, to end Pakistan’s proxy war.

Chris Alexander was Canada’s ambassador to Afghanistan (2003-05) and deputy head of the UN mission (2006-09), as well as a Canadian MP, cabinet minister and author of “The Long Way Back: Afghanistan’s Quest for Peace” (2011). His new paper “Ending Pakistan’s Proxy War in Afghanistan” was recently published by the Macdonald-Laurier Institute in Ottawa. Follow him on Twitter @calxandr.
 
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He's a well known conservative war mongering moron.

He constantly talks out of his ***, and is extremely incompetent.

I wouldn't take anything he says seriously, no one in Canada does, as he's a flip flopping moron, who doesn't care about facts and only his own uninformed opinions.

He's a former diplomat, sure, and how he got that job, I don't know. An untrained wild monkey would have been a better pick then him.

All his stances in this article are nothing more than regurgitated ideas, all of which have already been discredited.

I suggest moving on.
 
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How is Chris going to sanction anyone when neither he and nor his party is in the government in Canada? :partay:



He's a well known conservative war mongering moron.

He constantly talks out of his ***, and is extremely incompetent.

I wouldn't take anything he says seriously, no one in Canada does, as he's a flip flopping moron, who doesn't care about facts and only his own uninformed opinions.

He's a former diplomat, sure, and how he got that job, I don't know. An untrained wild monkey would have been a better pick then him.

All his stances in this article are nothing more than regurgitated ideas, all of which have already been discredited.

I suggest moving on.



Ex-diplo from Afghanistan? I hope he was not involved in any incident of bacha bazi.
 
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The ANA can't even arrest Alipoor and they think they can go after these "sanctuaries"? First defeat the Taliban in their Kunar/Paktia/Kandahar/Ghazni/Badakhshan/Khost mountain strongholds.
 
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LOL haven't these fools been repeating this BS for the past few decades now? It is such an old broken record. They keep repeating it though once in a long while. I suppose the white warmonger cannot hold his outburst.

1. First they wanted to invade and bomb Pakistan in its entirety.
2. Subsequently came the wonderful idea of invading and controlling Pakistan.
3. Another great idea was to balkanise Pakistan along ethnic and religious lines and move into Balochistan.
4. None of it was possible so they started their drone campaign with tacit approval.

Let these morons for once bring it on and I really hope they follow through. It will be the final nail in the coffin as we part ways and put these warmongers on notice to fvck off.
 
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When you have a wrong strategy to fight an insurgency you blame others for your failure. Anyone who has watched the movie Hyena Road can tell you that Canadian realized a bitter truth about Afghanistan, Americans realized it but had no solution for it but never accepted publicly. So yeah, blame it on Pakistan as much as you can, won't solve your problems in Afghanistan.
 
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Summary:
Firstly, there was barrage of blames.
Next there was hue and cry because Uncle Sam has stretched legs too wide open than it could pull back. So ISI is responsible for the crotch blowout because intel have credible reports the pants were made in Pakistan and purposefully shipped to US.
Thirdly, the panacea for all the grievances US has caused to the humanity is to take action against Pakistan. Lets huddle together and tell the world especially Afghanistan that all their miseries are because of the proxy warriors paid by ISI.
Fourthly, this guy is a secret admirer of ISI. Started with ISI and ended with ISI.
 
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Summary:
Firstly, there was barrage of blames.
Next there was hue and cry because Uncle Sam has stretched legs too wide open than it could pull back. So ISI is responsible for the crotch blowout because intel have credible reports the pants were made in Pakistan and purposefully shipped to US.
Thirdly, the panacea for all the grievances US has caused to the humanity is to take action against Pakistan. Lets huddle together and tell the world especially Afghanistan that all their miseries are because of the proxy warriors paid by ISI.
Fourthly, this guy is a secret admirer of ISI. Started with ISI and ended with ISI.

LOL ISI is their worst nightmare. Unbelievable how our amazing intelligence network managed to thwart the gang of savages in Afghanistan. They ganged up and tried their level best to hurt Pakistan for a good two decades continuously day in day out. They tried to prop up Hindustan and undermine Pakistan. They failed spectacularly. Look at them now cry rivers.

We don't nearly appreciate ISI's amazing sacrifices. When the white Anglo-Saxon savage speaks with such conviction against ISI we should know that our intelligence community ranks among the best. We gave them an incredible spanking and they cannot get over it.
 
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((( We should know about Enemy Propaganda against Pakistan so that we can tackle it )))





Ending Pakistan's proxy war in Afghanistan
BY CHRIS ALEXANDER, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 03/27/21 02:00 PM EDT
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL




Ending Pakistan's proxy war in Afghanistan's proxy war in Afghanistan

© Getty
This month’s talks with the Taliban have focused on preventing another “spring offensive.” But after two decades of U.S. and NATO military operations, we should be asking a more basic question: Why is Afghanistan still at war?
The answer is deceptively simple: Afghanistan’s conflict continues because, through the Taliban and other proxies, Pakistan’s military is still waging covert war against its neighbor.
Let’s look back.

When Osama Bin Laden slipped over the border into Pakistan’s Kurram Agency in late 2001, he joined thousands of al Qaeda and Taliban fighters already sheltering in madrassas, safe houses or training camps run by terrorist outfits across Pakistan.They received massive clandestine support from Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).
In 2003, with the U.S., United Kingdom and others distracted by the invasion of Iraq, ISI proxies attacked aid workers in Afghanistan. In 2005, they set out to subjugate Afghanistan’s southern provinces.
Hardly a hunted man, Bin Laden lived in several Pakistani cities before settling into his comfortable compound at Abbottabad, on the doorstep of Pakistan’s West Point.
U.S. forces eventually pushed back the Taliban’s offensive around Kandahar. But Bin Laden’s “hosts” went on to become prominent in Pakistan’s “miltablishment.” Even after the al Qaeda kingpin was killed in 2011 on Pakistani soil, ISI proxies moved aggressively to re-take territory lost in Afghanistan during the Obama surge. Pakistan’s proxy war has been an open secret ever since.
Why, almost two decades after 9/11, is the ISI still waging this proxy war? For one, they are obsessed with India: for Rawalpindi’s zero-sum military planners, a Taliban-free Afghanistan would be a dangerous playground for their arch-rival.
Second, they are reprising a two-century-old drama: for U.S. cold warriors in the 1980s, as for pre-1947 British Raj strategists, interfering in Afghanistan was an old habit and an article of faith. By waging proxy war today, ISI is indulging colonial instincts and anti-Soviet reflexes.

But such deadly atavism is putting them on the wrong side of history. In Afghanistan alone, ISI’s proxy war since 2001 has killed over 124,000 people.
In Pakistan, runaway military spending has undercut education and stunted growth: Per capita income has barely doubled since 2001, while in India it has more than quadrupled.
ISI’s proxy war inertia is now hobbling South Asia’s potential.
In any other country, tens of thousands of fighters, bomb-makers and assassins streaming across the border would trigger domestic outrage and international condemnation.
The real question is not why Pakistan’s military continues down this self-destructive path, but rather why they were not stopped sooner.
By the time ISI resumed full-scale proxy war, Washington was bogged down in the Persian Gulf. Once the full intelligence picture of Pakistan’s duplicity emerged, the will to act had vanished in the 2008-09 financial crisis, which turned the U.S. and NATO allies inward.
This drift continued even after SEAL Team Six found Bin Laden in 2011.
A reckoning is overdue. What is needed? For starters, consistency. Russian President Vladimir Putin and his cronies face sanctions for invading Ukraine and murdering rivals. Iran and Syria are under embargo for a toxic mix of proxy wars, genocide and banned weapons. Boycotts are hitting China’s ruling party, as genocide and repression deepen there. Those directing Pakistan’s proxy war belong on this list.

It has cost 2,300 American and 1,200 other NATO lives, undoing years of progress on education, health and women’s rights.
By avoiding this issue, we have prolonged Afghanistan’s agony and emboldened the delusive few eager to notch another superpower defeat on their belts.
We have also given false comfort to Putin, Iran’s Khamenei, Turkey’s Erdogan and other dictators now pursuing destructive military adventures.
The facts of this proxy war are no longer in dispute, as my recent report notes. Action to end it would yield benefits well beyond South Asia, while restoring U.S. credibility and strengthening the alliances Washington is once again championing.

The quickest, most cost-effective way to bring peace to Afghanistan would not take more fighting or more troops: it requires only the political will to sanction this proxy war’s sponsors.
After all, armed interference in a neighboring country should be a relic of the colonial and totalitarian past; for Afghans, such meddling has been a 43-year nightmare.
The U.S. and NATO should pledge joint political action to end this proxy war, which has killed our soldiers: all democracies should be making a strong, unified push for accountability.
Those in Pakistan still supporting proxy war in Afghanistan should face tough sanctions
.
Pakistan should be on the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) black list. Afghanistan can only be portrayed as an “endless war” – a Vietnam-like sinkhole for lives and billions – by those who ignore this last major obstacle to peace. The only “forever war” has been ISI’s decades of aggression in Afghanistan.
After 20 years of hard effort, the path to a ceasefire and enduring peace in Afghanistan requires collective action, by the U.S. and its allies, to end Pakistan’s proxy war.

Chris Alexander was Canada’s ambassador to Afghanistan (2003-05) and deputy head of the UN mission (2006-09), as well as a Canadian MP, cabinet minister and author of “The Long Way Back: Afghanistan’s Quest for Peace” (2011). His new paper “Ending Pakistan’s Proxy War in Afghanistan” was recently published by the Macdonald-Laurier Institute in Ottawa. Follow him on Twitter @calxandr.

More rubbish from a deluded neocon.
 
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When you have a wrong strategy to fight an insurgency you blame others for your failure. Anyone who has watched the movie Hyena Road can tell you that Canadian realized a bitter truth about Afghanistan, Americans realized it but had no solution for it but never accepted publicly. So yeah, blame it on Pakistan as much as you can, won't solve your problems in Afghanistan.

The neocon savages actually think that sanctioning Pakistan will help their cause LOL This is something the neocon bandwagon has been suggesting for so many years. The Americans flaunt with this idea and FATF is a good example of that. They are reluctant though because they know that this is the final straw. The Americans are playing a cautious game. They don't want to risk it all against Pakistan. They know they have limited options. Pakistan has already made a point by joining Chinese regional initiatives and this has shocked the US/Western bloc severely. They now understand that if pushed Pakistan will go through. Pakistan will give a middle finger and really go ahead fully determined. Pakistan is determined and emboldened. More than ever before. We faced the challanges and came out on top whilst making great sacrifices. The neocons are sweating like a hurt pig. Let's see what these warmongering savages can do next. I am sure we will anticipate their moves in Afghanistan.
 
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How is Chris going to sanction anyone when neither he and nor his party is in the government in Canada? :partay:







Ex-diplo from Afghanistan? I hope he was not involved in any incident of bacha bazi.

This Chris fool sounds like a Bush/Obama era remnant. He speaks the ancient Bush/Obama era tounge. Let's teach Pakistan a lesson and win the war in Afghanistan LOL

Since this Chris fool also mentions Iran, Russia, Turkey and China we should know the score.

There should be another high level intelligence meeting between Iran, Russia, China and Pakistan. Invite Turkey to this meeting. This will send a clear message to US/NATO to tone down their rhetoric.

Pakistan is not alone in the Afghan war. Iran, Russia, China and others also have a stake. When we bundle our efforts, like US/NATO has, the outcome will be even more devastating for the US/NATO and India.
 
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Parallel paradigm... project destruction on someone else, in so far past as colonialism itself. Huh?
So, Brits onward all invasions of Afghanistan have Pakistan to blame? Misery and destruction of past several decades and invasions of a landlocked country, neighbor to blame? Both invasions installed governance in their image, neighbors fault? Did anyone ask Afghans do you want to be invaded? Seek protection against your neighbor?

Fact is, invasion of Afghanistan after the demise of Soviet Union was always in the cards. It was the last place that had to be liberated and for one reason or another avoided liberty.

If a sincere question is asked on why territorial integrity of India is so important and why a coalition of the willing sits in landlocked Afghanistan, most coalition "partners" would certainly laugh it off... but isn't this the question they ask themselves, if we leave Kashmir will become hot again.

So what are the real goals here, why East India Company must make a government of patsies, transplants and suck-ups? And make it work... after all it did and does work in the neighborhood.
 
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Solution of Afghanistan lies in Indian Illegally occupied Jammu and Kashmir. You solve that and there is peace in entire region. The only problem, your arm industry will take a loss.
 
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Propaganda Analysis in detail:

When Osama Bin Laden slipped over the border into Pakistan’s Kurram Agency in late 2000....
1. The starting line is based on a news article titled Pakistanis helped trace Osama’s whereabouts, US told published in Dawn newspaper on November 21, 2018.

"Foreign Secretary Tehmina Janjua reminded the US Chargé d’Affaires (CdA) that it was Pakistan’s intelligence cooperation that provided the initial evidence to trace the whereabouts of OBL".

It also says:

President Barack Obama had, while announcing bin Laden’s killing, noted: “Our (US) counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding.”

So the information provided by Pakistan is now being used in a propaganda article against Pakistan. Means the CIA and other agencies had and have no idea what`s happening. Otherwise this author would have given a link to an article of BBC, CNN, The Guardian or New York Times or any other daily.

A very very very poor start. This is where the entire effort has nose-dived to mudsling Pakistan.



2. The first paragraph of the article, shared through hyperlink, says:

The Taliban was toppled in Afghanistan in 2001 for harboring al-Qaeda, but it has not been defeated. With an estimated core of up to sixty thousand fighters, the Taliban remains the most vigorous insurgent group in Afghanistan and holds sway over civilians near its strongholds in the country’s south and east. It has also metastasized in neighboring Pakistan, where thousands of fighters in the country’s western tribal areas wage war against the government.

Means Taliban moved into Pakistan and joined the 'fighters' or terrorists who were/are fighting against the state of Pakistan.



3. He has quoted the book of a former RAW head, The Unending Game: A Former R&AW Chief's Insights into Espionage (Hardcover)【2018】by Vikram Sood

4. Now this is mind boggling. Pakistan is supporting the terrorists that are waging war against Pakistan. His quoted sources contradict these statements. But he has tried to jell them through selective speech to justify his opinion. And the hyperlink here is an opinion article with claims and blames without any evidence.

In 2003, with the U.S., United Kingdom and others distracted by the invasion of Iraq, ISI proxies attacked aid workers in Afghanistan.
5. Who engaged US and NATO in Iraq? Was it ISI? Or "a regime that developed and used weapons of mass destruction, that harbored and supported terrorists, committed outrageous human rights abuses, and defied the just demands of the United Nations and the world." ?

Plus the hyperlink provided is of a news of a kill in Afghanistan that does not mention ISI at all. But the author has to establish blames against ISI.



6. The hyperlink is of Insurgent Tactics in Southern Afghanistan 2005-2008 by Jerry Meyer-Ie Carter Malkasian. Surprisingly, it does not blame ISI for once in this entire analysis.

7. Only going to quote Obama on this:

“Our (US) counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding.”

So what`s all the fuss now? Why acting surprised and like you have been backstabbed?

I am feeling really bored checking his sources. He has thrown opinion articles that either lack proof, are news, ops analysis and articles that don`t even mention ISI or Pakistan. A futile effort was undertaken by the author to somehow make connections of unconnected articles and opinion articles without any proof to arrive at his conclusion that sanctions should be imposed on Pakistan.

I would suggest, the only way to a peaceful Afghanistan is that the US should respect her promise to Taliban and leave Afghanistan alongside NATO before May 1. Otherwise we Pakistanis are too tired with all the baseless allegations and demands and requests.
 
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