latest News:Pakistan scuttles Indian entry into NSG

[Laozi]

 

[That Guy]

Janab hold a second pls.

China opposing Indian entry into NSG -- OK -- Most of the country in favour of India.

China supporting Pakistani entry into NSG -- OK -- Does Pakistan don't needs the support of the others member.

Let's say Ok China should support NSG entry of India and Pakistan, but the other's member's views are also been considered so if any country won't support Pakistan then no entry for Pakistan, till all members agreed for Pakistan.

Hai Jee Janab -- Or it is a blackmail that you should include Pakistan along with India LOLZ.

Call it what you want, blackmail or diplomacy, doesn't change reality.

As long as one member opposes India's entry (and there are quite a few), India will not gain entry.

India wont be getting it this year. But next year or in a year or two. Did you see the countries opposing it? NZ, Turkey, Austria and China atleast publicly hasnt voiced its opposition at NSG meet. Yes. In the meet at Washington, it didnt oppose.
While NZ and Austria can be taken care of US, it will be Turkey which needs little nudging. US has to make full effects of its diplomacy to make Turkey agree. When China is isolated, it will give in. Simple as that.

Secondly, if China wants Pakistan in NSG, its well within its rights to canvass for Pakistan within the members. Whether the members want it or not is left to them. But honestly there will lot more members need convincing in case of Pakistan.

China or Pakistan cannot expect US to do canvassing for its efforts. Period.

You're looking at it from a purely one sided view. The ground reality is that there are many nations that are worried about giving India NSG membership, simply because of the repercussions.

And no, neither will China be isolated, nor would it give in even if it were. History has shown that China is a steadfast ally to Pakistan, it won't give up Pakistan so easily.

Well, china didn't able to stop exception made on Nuke deal to India by NSG despite opposition.

And India + USA couldn't stop a nuclear deal between Pakistan and China, your point being?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Call it what you want, blackmail or diplomacy, doesn't change reality.

As long as one member opposes India's entry (and there are quite a few), India will not gain entry.


You're looking at it from a purely one sided view. The ground reality is that there are many nations that are worried about giving India NSG membership, simply because of the repercussions.

And no, neither will China be isolated, nor would it give in even if it were. History has shown that China is a steadfast ally to Pakistan, it won't give up Pakistan so easily.


And India + USA couldn't stop a nuclear deal between Pakistan and China, your point being?

I dont know. The last time it got isolated was in 2008 waiver for India by NSG and IAEA. Do not go by China's track record at UNSC. In 2008, USA as a means to pacify China agreed to recognise the initial MoU China had with Pakistan for some 8 nuclear reactors inside Pakistan, which it had signed prior to joining NSG. That time there was opposition within NSG, and US too, that China cannot build any more reactors without NSG permission. And the result, it voted for India.

This time, some other form of quid pro pro might be needed. Maybe Chinese N power plant inside India? Lets wait and watch. But if India gets this year, it will be a massive diplomatic coup.
I guess in 2017 or 18 realistically.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Its actually China who is calling the shots

No it is the USA calling the shots..

unless ofcourse, you mean Pakistan is a Chinese province.

Or India is the 51st state of USA.

Had there been no objection from China, what would have Pakistan done?

Had there been no support from USA what would India have done?

 

[FNFAL]

For a nation that had a figure like AQ khan peddling nuclear secrets for money, seeking admission to NSG is a farce that most countries realize.

 

[ziaulislam]

For a nation that had a figure like AQ khan peddling nuclear secrets for money, seeking admission to NSG is a farce that most countries realize.

for nation where one person did nuclear proliferation, you can see that happened in every country, if you dont know, than you are surprisingly ignorant

however this has never happened what India did, i.e stole nuclear material from peaceful reactor under international agreement and use it to make a nuke bomb

every other country used it own material

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Call it what you want, blackmail or diplomacy, doesn't change reality.

As long as one member opposes India's entry (and there are quite a few), India will not gain entry.


You're looking at it from a purely one sided view. The ground reality is that there are many nations that are worried about giving India NSG membership, simply because of the repercussions.

And no, neither will China be isolated, nor would it give in even if it were. History has shown that China is a steadfast ally to Pakistan, it won't give up Pakistan so easily.


And India + USA couldn't stop a nuclear deal between Pakistan and China, your point being?

their one called legal route , send by ship openly and other is called thief route , when get caught , burry your face in shame.

After Magnet Ring scandal China forced to apologies... you have limited deal upto 8 reactors not more then that.,,,,

 

[zebra7]

As long as one member opposes India's entry (and there are quite a few), India will not gain entry.

Whether India gets NSG entry or not, whats making you Happy Janab.

Hum to Dobey hai Sanam, Tumein Bhi Le Dobenge. !!!

 

[That Guy]

Whether India gets NSG entry or not, whats making you Happy Janab.

Hum to Dobey hai Sanam, Tumein Bhi Le Dobenge. !!!

I don't feel happy about this at all. I'm simply pointing out my view of the situation.

[Edit]: on a side rant: I think the NSG is a joke of an organization, that has failed to achieve anything other than giving a few nations a free hand to lord over the rest of the world. It's the same reason why I think the UNSC (as well) needs to abolish permanent seats. In fact, a lot of international councils are nothing more than jokes, and a place for rich nations to dictate over poor ones.

International democratic institutions? Give me a break. Imperialism didn't end, its modus operandi just changed.

 

[zebra7]

I don't feel happy about this at all. I'm simply pointing out my view of the situation.

[Edit]: on a side rant: I think the NSG is a joke of an organization, that has failed to achieve anything other than giving a few nations a free hand to lord over the rest of the world. It's the same reason why I think the UNSC (as well) needs to abolish permanent seats. In fact, a lot of international councils are nothing more than jokes, and a place for rich nations to dictate over poor ones.

International democratic institutions? Give me a break. Imperialism didn't end, its modus operandi just changed.

OK I takes your words, but since NSG group is there, reply me honestly

1. Pakistan is a responsible Nuclear State, and Pakistan deserve to be in the NSG (Don't bring India here or any comparison)

2. Should the list should also include Iran and N. Korea into NSG.

 

[Super Falcon]

Did china whispered in ur ear they do not veto against india

That's what I am trying to tell. Historically. Yes historically, whenever China has been isolated, it has voted with majority members. When 47 members of NSG support India, then China will never veto.

 

[mehboobkz]

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[Tamilnadu]

India has been negotiating with every member of NSG ,Pakistan should also do that or China can do that like US has done for India with some of the countries.India has offered some nuclear plant to china for construction.the question is will Pakistan allow AQ khan to be questioned.

Everything has a price,the question is if Pakistan is will to pay it.
The attitude of since he got it,i too should get it will not get you even a promotion in a small office ,for get about NSG.

 

[New Resolve]

This has gotten too CONTROVERSIAL, this must all be put on hold now indefinitely.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Did china whispered in ur ear they do not veto against india

They do not veto when they are isolated on any voting body. Oh, do not give UNSC as an example. It votes on something every other week.