Land holding in pakistan

[nitesh28]

I am indian i just want to confirm a few things:

1: is it true that in pakistan army generals are given landholdings as remunerations

2: is it true that army is the biggest land owwner in pakistan

3: i know that feudalism is still prevelant in pakistan, why is is not being stopped and land didtributed in poor

 

[Khalids]

Read Military Incorp by Ayesha Siddiqa for the answer of first two questions.

Feudalism will prevail in Pakistan untill and unless feuds are not stopped from bieng elected as MNAs and PMAs.

Long road ahead.

 

[Joshi]

I am indian i just want to confirm a few things:

1: is it true that in pakistan army generals are given landholdings as remunerations

Yes. According to their ranks.

2: is it true that army is the biggest land owwner in pakistan

Absolutely.

3: i know that feudalism is still prevelant in pakistan, why is is not being stopped and land didtributed in poor

Landlords are in power. No one can challenge them. Zaradri, Nawaz Sharif, Bhutoo family, et al are landlords.

 

[Xeric]

Read Military Incorp by Ayesha Siddiqa for the answer of first two questions.

nitesh28
Read the book in conjunction to this:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/212503-post1.html

 

[qsaark]

Read Military Incorp by Ayesha Siddiqa for the answer of first two questions.

Nitesh,

Please also note that as of Jan 26, 2009 Miss Afreen Baig is claimed to be an independent analyst majoring in International Relations and Economics. What does it mean? Is she a student doing her masters or IR and economics is her areas of specialty? In fact it is so confusing who is she or he? Where this person works? What are his/her credentials? I was not able to find any information on the internet. This is a person whose name exists but nothing else, totally anonymous. Please go to this person’s blog here Afreen Baig — Blogs, Pictures, and more on WordPress and you'll find this person is clearly associated with former dictator General Perwaiz Musharraf. This right there puts a question mark on the 'independent analyst’ status of this person. I wonder if it is General (Rtd) Rashid Qureshi (Musharraf’s spokesman) who is writing with a pen-name of Afreen Baig.

On the other hand, Dr. Aysha Siddiqa holds a doctorate and an accomplished and recognized person.

"Dr Siddiqa has been a civil servant for 11 years during which she was asked to work as the Director of Naval Research with Pakistan Navy making her the first civilian and a woman to work at that position in Pakistan's defense establishment. She also worked as a Deputy Director in Audit Defense Services Lahore Cantt

She is also a Ford Fellow and was the 'Pakistan Scholar' at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars at Washington, DC for 2004-05.

Dr. Siddiqa is also an author, and her books include, Pakistan's Arms Procurement and Military Buildup, 1979-99: In Search of a Policy (Palgrave Press, 2001). Her recent book, Military Inc.: Inside Pakistan's Military Economy [1], was released in April 2007. She has also written commissioned papers on small arms and light weapons proliferation, problems of governance and India-Pakistan relations.

Moreover, she has contributed to various international journals like the Journal for Defense and Peace Economics, Jane's Defense Weekly and the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.

On June 13, 2007, during her latest book launch at International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, Siddiqa said that she is not a politician and hers is an academic piece of work. She went on to add that she used Pakistan as a case study. She believes that this book is not a political thriller; rather it carries a broader issue of civil-military relationship in Pakistan. She is a visiting scholar at the University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, teaching political economy and history of Pakistan.".

 

[dabong1]

I think the ministry of defence in the UK also has control of the most land in the UK.

 

[BATMAN]

I am indian i just want to confirm a few things:

1: is it true that in pakistan army generals are given landholdings as remunerations

2: is it true that army is the biggest land owwner in pakistan

3: i know that feudalism is still prevelant in pakistan, why is is not being stopped and land didtributed in poor

Why are u seeking answers to these questions, why you think that the best place to ask is Pakistan defence forum?

As an answer to your questions; it is a propaganda by RAW and twisting of facts.
In general salaries in Pakistan are far better than india for any job / profession which makes indian security officials very jelous.
Indian security official cannot openly quote the better remunerations of Pakistan army to their govt. hence they try to high light this issue by puttin git on Pakistani forums, because they know there govt. is busy reading and writting on Pakistani forums.
I hope govt. of india will get your message and allocate better remunration for indian army in comparison to its economical growth.

BTW. can you tell us what is the remunration of an indian general?

 

[nitesh28]

Why are u seeking answers to these questions, why you think that the best place to ask is Pakistan defence forum?

As an answer to your questions; it is a propaganda by RAW and twisting of facts.
In general salaries in Pakistan are far better than india for any job / profession which makes indian security officials very jelous.
Indian security official cannot openly quote the better remunerations of Pakistan army to their govt. hence they try to high light this issue by puttin git on Pakistani forums, because they know there govt. is busy reading and writting on Pakistani forums.
I hope govt. of india will get your message and allocate better remunration for indian army in comparison to its economical growth.

BTW. can you tell us what is the remunration of an indian general?

have i offended you?

well i am not sure what an indian general is paid but i am sure it is less than what a pakistani general is paid either in cash or in kind. i also do hope that indian generals are paid well.

also in india there are avenues for employments wich pay much better than the army and young ppl are less inclined to join the army.

my intentions were not malafied in asking the question. just wanted to highlite that a small percentage of the population owwns the majority of arable land wich is not a very healthy situation.

 

[Xeric]

Netsih instead of comparing the Curriculum Vitae of these two ladies it would be pertinent for you to know that Aysha Saddiqa the author of Military Inc has already 'fled' Pakistan to UK when she came to know that the State is planning to bring her to court for her false, highly exaggerated and biased claims in her book against the military!

 

[Xeric]

a small percentage of the population owwns the majority of arable land wich is not a very healthy situation.

i was not planning to get into this, but here i am:
You said 'small' population, well is it specific to the military? If yes then you are mistaken, as you forgot to mention or 'question' us about the lords (all civilians) that own cities and cities of land in this country.

Is is an omission or the attempt well deliberated, i am not interested in asking now!

 

[qsaark]

Nitesh,

Dr. Siddiqa left (or fled) the country June 7, 2007. One must understand that those were the dark times for Pakistan when literally hundreds of Pakistanis were abducted by intelligence agencies and many sold to the US who finally endedup in Guantanamo Bay prison camp. The people abducted were never charged for their crimes and were denied from their basic constitutional right of defending themselves in the courts of law. The whole operation was extra-judicial and totally illegal. Under these circumstances, it would have been a foolish mistake on Behalf of Dr. Siddiqa to remain in a lawless Pakistan. Besides, the government had all the authority to file a case against Dr. Siddiqa in the court of law and to try her in absentia. This never happened which clearly supports the fears of Dr. Siddiqa that the GoP of that time was not interested in dealing with her on legal grounds, rather wanted to ‘disappear’ her.

 

[qsaark]

also in India there are avenues for employments which pay much better than the army and young ppl are less inclined to join the army.

So are in Pakistan, our soldiers and officers are not highly paid as compared to many in the civilian sector. However, unlike in many other countries, in Pakistan the military profession is a glorified and stable profession in which people build their carrier. It may also have to do with our psychology that we like military profession.

my intentions were not malafied in asking the question. just wanted to highlight that a small percentage of the population owns the majority of arable land which is not a very healthy situation.

I understand your intentions were not bad. But as Xeric has rightly pointed out, it is absolutely incorrect to say that majority of the arable land belongs to few hundred Generals. It largely belongs to the Feudal lords who are civilians.

 

[nitesh28]

i was not planning to get into this, but here i am:
You said 'small' population, well is it specific to the military? If yes then you are mistaken, as you forgot to mention or 'question' us about the lords (all civilians) that own cities and cities of land in this country.

Is is an omission or the attempt well deliberated, i am not interested in asking now!

please look at my orignal post i meant the feudals as well

 

[BATMAN]

rather wanted to ‘disappear’ her.

and send her to gitmo as like varioius other (unknown) scholars.
All accounts of her books are proven wrong. It is not illegal to invest in Pakistan.
Our millitary invest in Pakistan where as indian military does not have same love for their own country so that they invest all their savings in india.
Organisin gfew terorists attacks in Pakistan, killing few thousand indian Muslims and Christians quarterly, burning trains loaded with Pakistani Muslims etc. does not prove love for Bharat mata.
If indian army wants to prove his loyalty than tell them to invest their salaries in india like Pakistan army.

 

[Xeric]

First, it was not 2007 that was the 'dark ages', this 'abduction' was there quite before '07. Moreover, what is the connection between writing a book against the military at the time when 'maximum' independence was given to everybody remember all the private channels and freedom of speech-except for the the fact the PEMRA was also made quite effective in certain days), and GWOT?

Second, no one would have even 'tried' to link a well known scholar, ex-government servant and a powerful writer with the situation around the globe and 'abducted' her. Furthermore, it would have been sheer stupidity on the part of int agencies to pick ayesha as it would have risen obvious fingers straight ion them as she had already 'fingered' the military.

P.S. Lastly i dont even believe the intelligence agencies-pick up innocents-send them to Bay fantasy!