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Lahore Police Academy crises over | One gunman, five collaborators arrested

Mehsud spend R.s 3billion in pakistan in terror activities, and we have storng reports that RAW is feeding him,
and Pak army tells USA to attack mehsud millitants, and not attack local tribes, but US army never hear PAK army and always attack local tribes!!

Pakistan must persuade the US to give Pakistan military all the equipment so we can catch Mehsud and do a public hanging on him in Lahore.

If U.S. is a true ally of Pakistan they would give the necessary equipment to Pakistan to catch all these terrorists.
 
If a foreign news agency talked to Baitullah Mehsud over the phone, then how hard is it to find him.

U r right!!

They could track him in seconds and sent drones to kill him, but thing is that if they kill them then who will do the work of RAW and CIA!!
 
Think it over Pakistanis -- Stop this "who's is bigger with the Indian, it's pointless, junenile and DANGEROUS - it distracts you from the real enemy:




Counter-terrorism through the civil service



Tuesday, March 31, 2009
Mosharraf Zaidi

The attack on the Lahore police training facility yesterday, which as of the time of this article's writing had not ended, should wake Pakistan up. There is an existential monster that Pakistanis are unable to acknowledge because of the weakness of their Muslim faith. This weakness is exacerbated by the average Pakistani Muslim's dependence on unholy mullahs whose money-ing by General Zia, radical Saudis, and the joint efforts of the CIA and the ISI is now proving to be the single gravest threat to the sustainability of Pakistan as an operational entity.

The ostrich-like reaction to terrorism is driven by the average Pakistani's inability to debate the mullah, and an unwillingness to invest the effort and time required to tame that mullah. Abandoned and let loose by the "shurafa" that once were able to tame the mullah, and to speak his language, the mullah's new master--the comfort of Land Cruisers and bottled water--has no scruples.

In the long run, Pakistan cannot be saved until Pakistan's Muslims take back the mosque. This is not a call to start performing qawwalis in mosques. The faux religiosity of hashish-smoking rock-and-rollers pretending to be holier than thou is as much of a scam as the faux religiosity of mullahs insisting that they are the gatekeepers of Paradise. You cannot win the culture wars against orthodoxy with pseudo-Sufism, any more than the Dixie Chicks can win the culture wars against Mike Huckabee and the righteous American right. You can however beat the orthodoxy with the language of faith. There is, quite simply, no basis in Sharia for any of the violence that has been spawned, financed and executed by the monsters that the world's best intelligence agencies--whatever country they may be from--helped incubate. To expect those same agencies to somehow know how to conquer a monster to which they are beholden is ridiculous.

But how are Pakistan's Muslims supposed to take back the mosque when they are scared of going to them? This is the twisted core objective of the terrorists, to completely monopolise religion, and to use that space to pursue their real agenda. And what is their real agenda?

Watching video of Sufi Mohammed make his way from Swat to Peshawar in a jeep marked with the number plate "TSNM - 1" was instructive. The spectacle was only marginally comical. It provided the strangest of insights into Pakistan. The TSNM just wants the piece of pie that it has watched young ACs, DCs, DCOs, SSPs, MNAs, MPAs, DPOs and, yes, even NGOs enjoy to the fullest. It wants the full fruits of state protocol. It wants the flashing lights at the head of the convoy. It wants that the road should clear and traffic should split, in a manner reminiscent of the Prophet Moses parting the River Nile by the grace and kind mercy of the Good Lord. The TSMN just wants the same goodies that the Brahmin bureaucrats, cops and politicians have enjoyed from the comfort of their air-conditioned offices and cars for a long, long time. So we should really call what has happened in Swat, for what it really is. It's the Brahminsation of the shudra mullah. And that explains the outrage of the wannabe-elite bureaucrats at Pakistan's deteriorating security situation. At its heart beats insecurity. The shudras are trying to take away their black Corollas, their multiple mobile phones, and their vast caches of cash, lying at the bottom of the rent-seeking pyramid.

How do these merchants of fear and slaughter earn the legitimacy to demand and win such concessions, both from the people and from the state?


Largely on the back of the illegitimacy of those that have been enjoying state privilege and protocol. It does not take a genius for a local mullah to point the finger and demonise a twenty-something assistant commissioner, who is more enamoured by his Blackberry than the problems his "subjects" face, never attends the mosque, except Fridays, and is so genuinely sure of himself that he can't look the common folk in the eye. It does not take much to delegitimise an MPA whose road scheme only benefits the village he is from, and the farmland that belongs to his father. It does not take much to delegitimise a police official who is seen to be corrupt and in cahoots with troublesome patwaris. The rot at the bottom is gently and carefully nurtured by the top of the local administrative structures in this country.

Local administration is in fact a great example of the myopia that plagues Pakistan's bureaucrats. The real battle over decentralisation, tragically, is that retired one-time DCs and commissioners are so enamoured with their lifetimes of administrative failure that they want their heirs (both genetic and cadre-based) to retain magistracy powers. It is an unmitigated disgrace that crusty old retired bureaucrats somehow burrow their way into the right ear of political leaders to pursue the narrowest of personal agendas
.

The separation of magisterial powers from the administrative functions of the district coordination officer (DCO) is a cause of searing pain for the District Management Group (DMG). It is the one thing Gen Musharraf did that was truly intolerable for the DMG and their predecessor CSP cadres. The General's demolition job on the Constitution does not bother a strapping young DMG lad as much as the taking away of judicial powers that were once vested in the twenty-something boy. This self-centred ethos of the Pakistani civil service, personified by the DMG, but shared across all occupational groups, is ripping the heart out of the state's capacity to deal with the demonic attacks on this country's people, such as the one in Lahore yesterday.

This is not to suggest that the bureaucracy is in any way not capable of doing its job. Quite the contrary, in fact
. Even after the 1974 Bhutto reforms and their devastating effects on the perception of the civil services as a viable career option for Pakistan's best and brightest young people, civil servants tend to be tremendously resourceful individuals. Indeed, at the individual level, it is usually hard to find really mediocre people occupying really important civil-service positions. And perhaps that's just the problem. A Darwinian process of elimination pushes the best people to the top, or it flushes the best people right out of the system. Out of the system, trained civil servants end up serving the narrow interests of whichever donor is willing to pay them the most money. Within the system, the best civil servants spend 20 hours a day serving the strange and sometimes sordid needs of political masters who don't deserve to sit at the same table as some of their officers, to say nothing of ordering them around. By the time a capable, gold-plated, honest civil servant gets to a position where he can make a real difference, fatigue, cynicism and the competition for good officers between provinces, departments, ministries and the donors conspire to render them useful only in the narrow realm of administrative efficiency.

As bad as Pakistan's bureaucracy has behaved over the years, the irony is that it is the last line of defence for this country. If the terrorists are able to demoralise, demonise and destabilise the civil service backbone of this country, there will be little but the courage of ordinary citizens standing in the way of the Taliban. While the Taliban will be devastated at discovering just how much the Pakistani people possess of that elusive thing we call courage, we should expect more of our political leaders and their leveraging of civil servants.

President Asif Ali Zardari has once again fallen for his advisers' flights of fancy, proposing an 80,000-strong national force to counter terrorism. This is a divergent tactic that must stop. Pakistan doesn't need new structures. It needs the strengthening of structures that exist
. There are, after all, capable and honest officers out there, from Azam Suleman Khan, to Tariq Khosa, to Suleman Ghani, to Fazalur Rehman, to Kaleem Imam. It is unbelievable that there aren't more of the same kind of civil servants out there. There are. Politicians need to stop playing games and start finding and investing in these officers. Time is running out.



The writer is an independent political economist Mosharraf Zaidi
 
U r right!!

They could track him in seconds and sent drones to kill him, but thing is that if they kill them then who will do the work of RAW and CIA!!

Baitullah Mehsud is a CIA product released from Gitmo Bay for the purpose of being led to locate OBL. However and now since he has run out of favors from his original masters (CIA putting head money on his well being), Baitullah Mehsud may very well be leading straight into the hands of Indian RAW handlers based in the Indian Consulates in Afghanistan for material support and personal survival.

This may have been the very reason that the Americans recently gave a statement to ask India to back off Pakistan. Maybe some CIA spook may have picked up some chatter between RAW and Baitullah Mehsud over the Afghan airwaves regarding the planning and execution of the Lahore Police School incident which led to such a veiled political shun from US to India? Care to share with us the intel on this Uncle Sam? :usflag:
 
Even if CIA or RAW had something to do with this attack, the attack was carried directly by our "Muslim brothers". If they really cared for other Muslims, it wouldn't matter how much money US or India paid them they would never carry this kind of attack.

I'm a nationalist and to me Pakistanis come first, I'm thinking of how the relatives of the martyred Cadets would feel right now.

Whoever were involved in yesterday's attack directly or indirectly, muslim or non-muslim they must all be punished.

Right now we know these terrorists were so called "muslims" and they must be punished.

Yeah....Now you are hitting the nail on the head......spot on.

I totally agree with you.
 
Think it over Pakistanis -- Stop this "who's is bigger with the Indian, it's pointless, junenile and DANGEROUS - it distracts you from the real enemy:




Counter-terrorism through the civil service



Tuesday, March 31, 2009
Mosharraf Zaidi

The attack on the Lahore police training facility yesterday, which as of the time of this article's writing had not ended, should wake Pakistan up. There is an existential monster that Pakistanis are unable to acknowledge because of the weakness of their Muslim faith. This weakness is exacerbated by the average Pakistani Muslim's dependence on unholy mullahs whose money-ing by General Zia, radical Saudis, and the joint efforts of the CIA and the ISI is now proving to be the single gravest threat to the sustainability of Pakistan as an operational entity.

The ostrich-like reaction to terrorism is driven by the average Pakistani's inability to debate the mullah, and an unwillingness to invest the effort and time required to tame that mullah. Abandoned and let loose by the "shurafa" that once were able to tame the mullah, and to speak his language, the mullah's new master--the comfort of Land Cruisers and bottled water--has no scruples.

In the long run, Pakistan cannot be saved until Pakistan's Muslims take back the mosque. This is not a call to start performing qawwalis in mosques. The faux religiosity of hashish-smoking rock-and-rollers pretending to be holier than thou is as much of a scam as the faux religiosity of mullahs insisting that they are the gatekeepers of Paradise. You cannot win the culture wars against orthodoxy with pseudo-Sufism, any more than the Dixie Chicks can win the culture wars against Mike Huckabee and the righteous American right. You can however beat the orthodoxy with the language of faith. There is, quite simply, no basis in Sharia for any of the violence that has been spawned, financed and executed by the monsters that the world's best intelligence agencies--whatever country they may be from--helped incubate. To expect those same agencies to somehow know how to conquer a monster to which they are beholden is ridiculous.

But how are Pakistan's Muslims supposed to take back the mosque when they are scared of going to them? This is the twisted core objective of the terrorists, to completely monopolise religion, and to use that space to pursue their real agenda. And what is their real agenda?

Watching video of Sufi Mohammed make his way from Swat to Peshawar in a jeep marked with the number plate "TSNM - 1" was instructive. The spectacle was only marginally comical. It provided the strangest of insights into Pakistan. The TSNM just wants the piece of pie that it has watched young ACs, DCs, DCOs, SSPs, MNAs, MPAs, DPOs and, yes, even NGOs enjoy to the fullest. It wants the full fruits of state protocol. It wants the flashing lights at the head of the convoy. It wants that the road should clear and traffic should split, in a manner reminiscent of the Prophet Moses parting the River Nile by the grace and kind mercy of the Good Lord. The TSMN just wants the same goodies that the Brahmin bureaucrats, cops and politicians have enjoyed from the comfort of their air-conditioned offices and cars for a long, long time. So we should really call what has happened in Swat, for what it really is. It's the Brahminsation of the shudra mullah. And that explains the outrage of the wannabe-elite bureaucrats at Pakistan's deteriorating security situation. At its heart beats insecurity. The shudras are trying to take away their black Corollas, their multiple mobile phones, and their vast caches of cash, lying at the bottom of the rent-seeking pyramid.

How do these merchants of fear and slaughter earn the legitimacy to demand and win such concessions, both from the people and from the state?


Largely on the back of the illegitimacy of those that have been enjoying state privilege and protocol. It does not take a genius for a local mullah to point the finger and demonise a twenty-something assistant commissioner, who is more enamoured by his Blackberry than the problems his "subjects" face, never attends the mosque, except Fridays, and is so genuinely sure of himself that he can't look the common folk in the eye. It does not take much to delegitimise an MPA whose road scheme only benefits the village he is from, and the farmland that belongs to his father. It does not take much to delegitimise a police official who is seen to be corrupt and in cahoots with troublesome patwaris. The rot at the bottom is gently and carefully nurtured by the top of the local administrative structures in this country.

Local administration is in fact a great example of the myopia that plagues Pakistan's bureaucrats. The real battle over decentralisation, tragically, is that retired one-time DCs and commissioners are so enamoured with their lifetimes of administrative failure that they want their heirs (both genetic and cadre-based) to retain magistracy powers. It is an unmitigated disgrace that crusty old retired bureaucrats somehow burrow their way into the right ear of political leaders to pursue the narrowest of personal agendas
.

The separation of magisterial powers from the administrative functions of the district coordination officer (DCO) is a cause of searing pain for the District Management Group (DMG). It is the one thing Gen Musharraf did that was truly intolerable for the DMG and their predecessor CSP cadres. The General's demolition job on the Constitution does not bother a strapping young DMG lad as much as the taking away of judicial powers that were once vested in the twenty-something boy. This self-centred ethos of the Pakistani civil service, personified by the DMG, but shared across all occupational groups, is ripping the heart out of the state's capacity to deal with the demonic attacks on this country's people, such as the one in Lahore yesterday.

This is not to suggest that the bureaucracy is in any way not capable of doing its job. Quite the contrary, in fact
. Even after the 1974 Bhutto reforms and their devastating effects on the perception of the civil services as a viable career option for Pakistan's best and brightest young people, civil servants tend to be tremendously resourceful individuals. Indeed, at the individual level, it is usually hard to find really mediocre people occupying really important civil-service positions. And perhaps that's just the problem. A Darwinian process of elimination pushes the best people to the top, or it flushes the best people right out of the system. Out of the system, trained civil servants end up serving the narrow interests of whichever donor is willing to pay them the most money. Within the system, the best civil servants spend 20 hours a day serving the strange and sometimes sordid needs of political masters who don't deserve to sit at the same table as some of their officers, to say nothing of ordering them around. By the time a capable, gold-plated, honest civil servant gets to a position where he can make a real difference, fatigue, cynicism and the competition for good officers between provinces, departments, ministries and the donors conspire to render them useful only in the narrow realm of administrative efficiency.

As bad as Pakistan's bureaucracy has behaved over the years, the irony is that it is the last line of defence for this country. If the terrorists are able to demoralise, demonise and destabilise the civil service backbone of this country, there will be little but the courage of ordinary citizens standing in the way of the Taliban. While the Taliban will be devastated at discovering just how much the Pakistani people possess of that elusive thing we call courage, we should expect more of our political leaders and their leveraging of civil servants.

President Asif Ali Zardari has once again fallen for his advisers' flights of fancy, proposing an 80,000-strong national force to counter terrorism. This is a divergent tactic that must stop. Pakistan doesn't need new structures. It needs the strengthening of structures that exist
. There are, after all, capable and honest officers out there, from Azam Suleman Khan, to Tariq Khosa, to Suleman Ghani, to Fazalur Rehman, to Kaleem Imam. It is unbelievable that there aren't more of the same kind of civil servants out there. There are. Politicians need to stop playing games and start finding and investing in these officers. Time is running out.



The writer is an independent political economist Mosharraf Zaidi

Mosharraf Zaidi has hit the right nail on the head. It is the failure of the state at a very basic level, the blatant corruption, the rising inequalities, all these ared the core reason for the common man to be disillusioned and fall prey to the call of the Jehadis.

In India we are seeing this with the Naxalites, who are active only in the most backward areas.

The situation calls for a strong leader to come forward and walk the talk and not just give interviews on Television.
 
Mosharraf Zaidi has hit the right nail on the head. It is the failure of the state at a very basic level, the blatant corruption, the rising inequalities, all these ared the core reason for the common man to be disillusioned and fall prey to the call of the Jehadis.

@AM I thought my post was also on the same lines.....

Don't look at it emotionally brother.....I ment no offence but as moderators I accept you decision to delete it.
 
Mahsud is supported by RAW

WEEKLY PULSE

Mulla Omar orders halt to attacks on Pak troops

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

now there is flood of information but you indees have thousands of arguments and have never accepted the evil which all the south asia suffers due to you may it be in balochistan or FATA or in barma or bangladesh or in srilanka

The article written by Haroon Iqbal in weekly pulse is pure cr@p propaganda without any backup or logic involved. I wonder if guys like him (on both sides of the border) are responsible for still keeping the hatred alive on some people's mind. Personally I wouldn't care to allow my mind to drift by only reading such long cr@ppy articles. Can anyone give some background on this guy plz?

I couldn't figure out why you gave reference to the other two articles here. Are you trying to imply that since Talibans are taking a lenient approach towards Pakistan's army, Pakistan should also reciprocate? Care to elaborate a more sir?
 
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I see many senior and responsible members (including AA) comparing 26/11 and 30/3. They already have stamped PA with "better that IA" tag. I just want to add some points.

1. In Mumbai, the attack was multi-headed.

2. In Mumbai, the area were very much crowded.

3. In Mumbai, the construction was much complicated with less operational space and access.

3. In Mumbai, the targets were from all age groups, including women and children. Rescue operation had to get affected.

4. In Mumbai, the targets didn't know each other. That means, there had to be some chaos.

5. In Mumbai, the targets had no physical, mental or emotional training. Nor thy were familiar to defense procedures.

6. Not conformed, but I heard that some hostage was claiming there were 20 terrorists. GoP has counted only 10-11 yet.

So, I request everybody to cut that crap.
 
^^^ Actually you could compare the Elite Force assault on the Training compound with the Indian assault on Nariman House (two terrorists in Nariman vs ten plus at the academy) and still come up with a comparison favorable for the Pakistani effort.

But lets not get into that here.
 
Anybody have finel verdict on how many -terrorist are captured and how many killed and how many ran away????
Any final statement by government?
 
this has India written on it, if not on all, one more thing, why dont u let indians speak, why r u so much putting ur neck on risk for them, i thought we are the one fighting for u not indians, but alas, loyalties have changes to our enemies, n if we talk abt, u guys even cant see it, digesting is something else. creatures dying every singel day after all human beings, and India has direct linkt to it

Before this, many things had "India", "RAW" written on them. Seems only you could read it.

Oh God, for how many times again?

Come with some proofs and India's credibility will be at your stake. Don't you get it? Golden chance to bash India..... and you are just making fun of yourself.
 
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