Kuwait Deports 80 Expats a Day, and The Parliament Wants to Deport More

[HAIDER]

No money no honey ... all foreigner go home. Find a work at your country.

 

[Full Moon]

Racist.

Racism against Persians (especially in the GCC states) is rational. After all, their loyalty will always be for their mother land "Iran". They live in the GCC states mainly for its petrodollar and they do hold hostile feelings against the local citizens they live among. Nothing changes the Persian inner complexes towards the tazis soosmar-khors, no matter how much they live comfortable lives in their countries. The feeling is mutual and the Tazi Arabs still look down on the Ajam immigrants (Persian immigrants) no matter how much they assimilate with them, dress like them, speak extremely fluent Arabic (or even when they completely forget Farsi). It is still a common taboo for example to intermarry with families of Persian origin, and the use of the word "Ajams" is something that is usually encouraged to tell them apart.

 

[HAIDER]

Kuwait’s Ministry of Interior Affairs announced that at least 29,000 expats were deported in 2016 - about 80 persons a day. This is a meaningful increase from the 25,000 deported in 2015. A Ministry official cast these statistics in a positive light, claiming that they “show undoubtedly that we have made deportation processes much faster.” Deportees were accused of violating residency and labor or committing crimes, particularly traffic violations. In the past two years, Kuwait has deported migrants for a range of minor offenses, including barbecuing in parks and joining protests. Once, the Minister of Interior himself boasted about deporting an Indian driver “on the spot” after seeing him commit a traffic violation.

The same official claims that prisoners only spend a maximum of a week in deportation prison, and some as little as three days. According to authorities, it only takes a week to finalize papers and obtain a return ticket, and the process is expedited when sponsors cooperate. Kuwait has long been criticized for its overcrammed prisons, particularly during its professed “campaign on illegal workers” in 2013. Many migrants reported they were unjustly deported because policemen ignored their explanations or their sponsors could not be bothered to bring in the papers could release them. Authorities denied media reports of poor detention conditions and indefinite waiting periods.

Though Kuwait's newest parliament has been celebrated as a "return of the opposition," policies towards expats are not likely to improve. Kuwait's parliament has rarely shown concern for the rights and well-being of migrants, and in its latest session on expats has proposed the deportation of 100,000 expats every year “to tackle the issue of demographic imbalance.” Opposition members claim that “security, social, and economic concerns” necessitate mass deportation. MPs argue the deportation of “illegal workers” will decrease the crime rate. They are concerned that some migrant communities are “too big.” MP Walid al-Tabtabai said “we need to become 50% of the population within the coming 10 years.” He added that “this means we have to deport 100,000 expats every year, this way it will not harm the labor market.” He suggested that quotas be determined by nationality. Another MP, Adil al-Damkhi, who also heads the parliament’s Human Rights committee, agreed with his colleague. He added that Kuwait should “activate anti-trafficking laws to fight those trading with working visas as they are the real reason behind this problem.”

The Minister of Labor, Hind al-Subaih, does not seem to disagree with the parliament. Though she has recently distanced herself from the “100,000 deportations a year” figure, she has spoken of this “demographic imbalance” many times. Al-Subaih proposes a 15 years plan to bring about a demographic change, while MPs believe it should only take 5 to 10.

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It's really strange when you have members in the Kuwaiti Parliament whose origins are mainly from Iran or Iraq then they ask for the deportation of foreigners. The surprising thing is that the Salafist Rep Waleed Al-tabtabai who represented this new resolution and He's derived from Iran as far as I know, the more surprising thing is the Shia Rep Saleh Ashour is backing this resolution though he's of Iranian Farsi origin whose fathers probably came in boat to Kuwait looking for proper life, the strangest thing in the whole resolution is that the only woman in Kuwaiti Parliament, the liberal Rep Safaa Al-Hashim is calling for imposing more Taxis targeting only expats in Kuwait.

agreed ..national interest comes first ....rest emotional banging later

 

[somebozo]

Kuwait should deport Saudi illegal residents and Legal Saudi residents should be monitored 24/7 before one of them detonate himself killing innocent civilians.

Any known incident of Persian origin Kuwaiti exploding somewhere?

 

[AmirPatriot]

Racism against Persians (especially in the GCC states) is rational. After all, their loyalty will always be for their mother land "Iran". They live in the GCC states mainly for its petrodollar and they do hold hostile feelings against the local citizens they live among. Nothing changes the Persian inner complexes towards the tazis soosmar-khors, no matter how much they live comfortable lives in their countries. The feeling is mutual and the Tazi Arabs still look down on the Ajam immigrants (Persian immigrants) no matter how much they assimilate with them, dress like them, speak extremely fluent Arabic (or even when they completely forget Farsi). It is still a common taboo for example to intermarry with families of Persian origin, and the use of the word "Ajams" is something that is usually encouraged to tell them apart.

Only racists say racism is rational, though I suppose you are one so I suppose this isn't much of a hurtful statement for you. Racism is a disgusting and abhorrent behaviour that you are sadly afflicted with.

"Racism is rational"
-Full Moon, 2017

@waz

 

[Gothic]

Racism against Persians (especially in the GCC states) is rational. After all, their loyalty will always be for their mother land "Iran". They live in the GCC states mainly for its petrodollar and they do hold hostile feelings against the local citizens they live among. Nothing changes the Persian inner complexes towards the tazis soosmar-khors, no matter how much they live comfortable lives in their countries. The feeling is mutual and the Tazi Arabs still look down on the Ajam immigrants (Persian immigrants) no matter how much they assimilate with them, dress like them, speak extremely fluent Arabic (or even when they completely forget Farsi). It is still a common taboo for example to intermarry with families of Persian origin, and the use of the word "Ajams" is something that is usually encouraged to tell them apart.

Not all persians are like that , i'm not trying to change your attitude towards persians or add anything to your knowledge of iran ; But you must know most people calling Arabs words are people of northern iran with a turk-kurd background , they even call the southern iranians Arabs ! so you can figure out what it means .. it's simply a remote extension of american racism that has gotten to iran and other places in the middle east , they think they are white people and everyone else is Arab ! the word persian itself is overused , 'persians' are from southern iran and southern iranians look almost like arabs . people of northern iran are not persian ! everyone there is either a turk , a kurd , a lor or some other pseudo-turk

 

[Wine&Steak]

We've built so many cities in the Gulf in recent years. We need to naturalize foreigners in order to fill these cities.

If we don't, then we'd end up with many ghost cities across the Gulf.

Our native population isn't growing fast enough to fill all the new cities we've built, and that's because population growth has slowed down significantly over the last 4-5 decades due to declining fertility rates. This is perfectly natural; it's happening all around the world as we speak, including in many parts of sub-Saharan Africa. Don't expect continuous indigenous population growth. We need to open our borders for foreign migrants sooner or later, and this means that we must naturalize people based on merit instead of based on their ideologies. Merit-wise, the Gulf is filled with many South Asian, Filipino and even African migrants who have contributed greatly to our economies and have sacrificed so much of their lives to build our countries. These people need to be naturalized, irrespective of what they identify themselves as.

This is the only way forward. There's really no other way in the age of globalization. Europe isn't going to change by the way. The rise of right-wing populism in the West is simply a temporary backlash to globalization. It'll fade away in the coming years. The liberal world order will prevail by default. Countries in the future will survive and prosper by their ability to attract migrants from different parts of the world. Countries that fail to do so will sink into oblivion.

I personally think it's about time the GCC states naturalize all foreigners who have contributed to our countries, regardless of how they choose to identify themselves.

In any case, there will come a time when this won't be up to us anyway. Citizenship is a human right according to international law. Sooner or later, many foreigners around here will demand citizenship, and our governments must grant them that since a lot of these foreigners have spent many decades in the Gulf, not to mention the fact that a lot of their families have lived in the Gulf for more than a generation. The international community will pressure our governments to naturalize them. So instead of receiving orders from international bodies such as the UN, we might as well naturalize them now and be done with it.

(1) The world is moving away from Oil. GCC leaders are already planning the next steps, but I think the ordinary folks
have still not caught up to that. Here in California, Battery cars are all the rage, Tesla and now Chevy Volt.
Even without Govt subsidies, they are becoming profitable. with subsidies it costs only $55 per month to lease
a Chevy volt. Electricity is free at solar outfitted parking spots in work areas. these are starting to work like a charm
and don't use any Petrol.

(2) My cousin-in-law, a rich boy, his father is right hand man of one of AbuDhabi's finest industrialist of Indian origin.
He grew up all his life in AbuDhabi, all his friends there. He mentioned that Govt does not allow expatriate kids
to mingle with locals, they have separate schools. His father retired and returned to India, so now even though he
grew up in AbuDhabi there for 20 years, cannot live there anymore. He left to USA to study. He wants to go back to
AbuDhabi to work after studies since all his friends are there, but he is still a foreigner in legal terms, though his heart
belongs there. Cruel indeed.

Lots of changes going to happen in next 2 decades, everyone brace themselves.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Not all persians are like that , i'm not trying to change your attitude towards persians or add anything to your knowledge of iran ; But you must know most people calling Arabs words are people of northern iran with a turk-kurd background , they even call the southern iranians Arabs ! so you can figure out what it means .. it's simply a remote extension of american racism that has gotten to iran and other places in the middle east , they think they are white people and everyone else is Arab ! the word persian itself is overused , 'persians' are from southern iran and southern iranians look almost like arabs . people of northern iran are not persian ! everyone there is either a turk , a kurd , a lor or some other pseudo-turk

Funny that you say that. You are right and I have noticed that myself here, elsewhere and in person.

The real Persians from the Persian heartland in Southern and Western Iran (not the ones that were "Persified") are very hard to pick apart from neighboring Arabs (GCC and Iraq) and people of Iranian origin in the GCC (Iranian Arabs, Persians, Lurs and Baloch from Iran) confirm that.

It's hard to tell them apart unless by surname or when they open their mouths (accent). You can add Kurds to that list as well btw.

Racism against Persians (especially in the GCC states) is rational. After all, their loyalty will always be for their mother land "Iran". They live in the GCC states mainly for its petrodollar and they do hold hostile feelings against the local citizens they live among. Nothing changes the Persian inner complexes towards the tazis soosmar-khors, no matter how much they live comfortable lives in their countries. The feeling is mutual and the Tazi Arabs still look down on the Ajam immigrants (Persian immigrants) no matter how much they assimilate with them, dress like them, speak extremely fluent Arabic (or even when they completely forget Farsi). It is still a common taboo for example to intermarry with families of Persian origin, and the use of the word "Ajams" is something that is usually encouraged to tell them apart.

The recent arrivals (Iranian citizens) should be monitored (just like every other group of people in the GCC) but the citizens are by large of Iranian Arab, Baloch, Lur and Persian (Southern Iran) origins and have become "Arabized" (adopted local culture, religion, identity) for the most part. The Iranian Arabs did not need to do that but you get the point here. Moreover 95% of them are Sunnis. Many have intermarried as their presence in Eastern Arabia (mainly) is ancient. Vice versa too the other way around in Southern Iran. That region has had very close ties in history. Way before Arabs and Persians appeared in history in fact.

Bro, you need to distinguish between Southern Iranians (our neighbors) and the "wannabe Aryan" lot in the North who are not even Persians by origin.

Any known incident of Persian origin Kuwaiti exploding somewhere?

You have had dozens of Iranian citizens joining ISIS and blowing themselves up in Iraq and Syria (a simple Google search will confirm this) so why would such a theory be unthinkable? Did you know that "Jihadi John" was a Kuwaiti citizen of Iraqi and Iranian origin?

Some 300 Iranian Kurds alone have joined ISIS btw. An let's not pretend that sectarian Shia militias that enjoy 100's if not a few 1000's Iranian volunteers, are less terrorists, just because they don't tend to blow themselves up lately. As if killing civilians and engaging terror without doing that (committing suicide) is any better for the victims!

As for suicide bombing, as in used by Muslims first, this was done by Pro-Iranian/Iranian-sponsored terrorist groups such as Hezbollah, Dawa and others. Let us not even talk about the Iraq-Iran war and events in that war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#Islam

What demographic problem?



Not really, but they do have a valid reason.

The reason is that Balochistan is quite a poor area of Iran, since it is a location with arid land unsuitable for agriculture. It also has little natural resources. These mean it has a small population, which means it has poor infrastructure and a lack of job opportunities.

This trend is being reversed. The IRGC's commerical engineering companies are getting contracts to develop the Balochistan region's infrastructure, and the Indian investment in the Chabahar port will bring in trade, infrastructure and jobs.

Though as usual I see this thread has been derailed to Iran by the obsessive creature that created it.

https://www.mercatornet.com/demography/view/irans_demographic_collapse/13546

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/08/...ore-children-as-population-declines.html?_r=0

http://www.jpost.com/Features/Front-Lines/Inside-Iran-Irans-demographic-problem-339246

In fact you could claim that Iran's population of 80 million is already unsustainable given the geography of Iran and climatic challenges.

Your population was around 30-35 million in 1979. Today it is 80 million.

However your population growth rate is now much below the 2.1 required (replacement rate).

Iranian Arabs, Persians in Southern Iran are as religious as Baloch but they don't have this problem of extremism that we see among many Baloch and have seen for a long time. Even within Iran. This must come from somewhere and more often than not it derives from poverty but not only. Iran negligence/oppression call if what you want of Baluchistan is well known. Baloch people migrating to Arabia for centuries looking for greener pastures is nothing new.

Was there not news some time ago that an entire Baloch village somewhere in Iran was executed for drug smuggling?

 

[Aslan]

I disagree. I think Pakistani's cannot and should not be naturalized because they are not from MENA region and therefore would not fit in GCC. Perhaps a better idea might be just to naturalize Semites only and this offer should extend to Israeli's and Semitic Jews in Europe/America.

And u are basing that on what
Pakistanis are one of the better assimilated population in kuwait when it comes to non Arabs.
80% of my family is kuwaiti. Our culture is not the same but I have not seen many Pakistanis having a hard time adjusting.

 

[somebozo]

You have had dozens of Iranian citizens joining ISIS and blowing themselves up in Iraq and Syria (a simple Google search will confirm this) so why would such a theory be unthinkable? Did you know that "Jihadi John" was a Kuwaiti citizen of Iraqi and Iranian origin?

Some 300 Iranian Kurds alone have joined ISIS btw. An let's not pretend that sectarian Shia militias that enjoy 100's if not a few 1000's Iranian volunteers, are less terrorists, just because they don't tend to blow themselves up lately. As if killing civilians and engaging terror without doing that (committing suicide) is any better for the victims!

As for suicide bombing, as in used by Muslims first, this was done by Pro-Iranian/Iranian-sponsored terrorist groups such as Hezbollah, Dawa and others. Let us not even talk about the Iraq-Iran war and events in that war.

I know sucide attacks were first popularized by Iranian ayatollahs during Iran-Iraq war but there is no uproar of Iranian backed sucide bombers and this is a curious case? Does the media only associate suicide bombers with Alqaida, ISIS and bunch of extremist Arabs?

 

[AmirPatriot]

In fact you could claim that Iran's population of 80 million is already unsustainable given the geography of Iran and climatic challenges.

Your population was around 30-35 million in 1979. Today it is 80 million.

However your population growth rate is now much below the 2.1 required (replacement rate).

Iran has a young population. Over 60% of the Iranian population is under 30. Thats nearly 50 million people.

Population growth would have been out of control if the post-war government had not embarked on an effective campaign which made contraceptives readily available.

Recently government has recognised the slow birth rate and took steps to encourage population growth.

Population could hit 100 million in the 2050s.

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/iran-population/

Iran is a huge country with lots of land for growth so geography isn't much of a problem.

Iran negligence/oppression call if what you want of Baluchistan is well known. Baloch people migrating to Arabia for centuries looking for greener pastures is nothing new.

Like I said its difficult to keep an area from being poor if it doesn't have anything to make it grow. Aside from government handouts which are no replacement for real jobs.

Was there not news some time ago that an entire Baloch village somewhere in Iran was executed for drug smuggling?

Adult males. Unfortunately this is what happens when your neighbour is the biggest opium producer on earth.

Does the media only associate suicide bombers with Alqaida, ISIS and bunch of extremist Arabs?

You have no idea... They and the sheep they influence associate suicide bombers and terrorists with anyone who comes from a Muslim country.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Not all persians are like that , i'm not trying to change your attitude towards persians or add anything to your knowledge of iran ; But you must know most people calling Arabs words are people of northern iran with a turk-kurd background , they even call the southern iranians Arabs ! so you can figure out what it means .. it's simply a remote extension of american racism that has gotten to iran and other places in the middle east , they think they are white people and everyone else is Arab ! the word persian itself is overused , 'persians' are from southern iran and southern iranians look almost like arabs . people of northern iran are not persian ! everyone there is either a turk , a kurd , a lor or some other pseudo-turk

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I know sucide attacks were first popularized by Iranian ayatollahs during Iran-Iraq war but there is no uproar of Iranian backed sucide bombers and this is a curious case? Does the media only associate suicide bombers with Alqaida, ISIS and bunch of extremist Arabs?

So suicide bombers in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Central Asia, Nigeria, Sub-Saharan Africa, Horn of Africa, Caucasus, South East Asia, Turkey etc. are all Arabs? Let alone Muslims? Ever heard about Maoist terrorist and secular Kurds? They have a long history of blowing themselves up in Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Syria etc.

Anyway we are talking about a tiny minority that does not even make up 0,0001% of the population of any Arab country.

Anyway suicide bombings are not any different from ordinary bombs or terrorist attacks not involving suicide.

It is used as a military tactic. If those terrorists had fighter jets you would not see them blowing themselves up. Only if it made military sense or if they wanted to spread terror to the masses by blowing themselves up among them. However if you had a fighter jet and could use that to attack civilians, that option would obviously be preferred.

In any case suicide is strictly forbidden by all sects in Islam.

1000's upon 1000's of Japanese Kamikaze pilots during WW2 were not worse than Allied carpet bombings or Nazi murdering sprees in Russia where they burnt 10.000's upon 10.000's of villagers and people alive.

1 Saudi Arabian citizen blew himself up in Kuwait 2 years ago. There have never been another example of this. As for blowing yourself up, there have obviously been GCC citizens of Iranian origin who have done so when you have had suicide bombers from Iran itself. I mentioned Jihadi John who was a Kuwaiti citizen of Iraqi and Iranian origins. He grew up in the UK if I am not wrong.

Anyway suicide bombings have nothing to do with the discussion that @Full Moon started. His concern is that some "Ajam" in the GCC will act non-loyal. I gave my own opinion of that theory in post 38.

Iran has a young population. Over 60% of the Iranian population is under 30. Thats nearly 50 million people.

Population growth would have been out of control if the post-war government had not embarked on an effective campaign which made contraceptives readily available.

Recently government has recognised the slow birth rate and took steps to encourage population growth.

Population could hit 100 million in the 2050s.

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/iran-population/

Iran is a huge country with lots of land for growth so geography isn't much of a problem.



Like I said its difficult to keep an area from being poor if it doesn't have anything to make it grow. Aside from government handouts which are no replacement for real jobs.



Adult males. Unfortunately this is what happens when your neighbour is the biggest opium producer on earth.



You have no idea... They and the sheep they influence associate suicide bombers and terrorists with anyone who comes from a Muslim country.

Well, I know that and KSA has even a younger population percentage wise and most other Arab countries. I was just saying that Iran is currently facing a demographic problem as the fertility rate is significantly below the 2.1 required and recommended (replacement rate). That was all. You asked for sources and I provided them.

As a side-comment I told that the current population of Iran might be too big already given the geography of Iran, climate and the fact that people tend to waste more and more resources by each year in the region and the world as a whole. Already there are environmental dangers in Iran such as draught, pollution etc. This is the work of people mostly.

I don't know about that but I know that many Baloch in the GCC complain about Iran.

Well, would it not be better to execute the ones smuggling the drugs and most importantly the ones behind the smuggling schemes rather than an entire village? Not sure if that is the right way to go. But who am I to judge?

 

[AmirPatriot]

As a side-comment I told that the current population of Iran might be too big already given the geography of Iran, climate and the fact that people tend to waste more and more resources by each year in the region and the world as a whole. Already there are environmental dangers in Iran such as draught, pollution etc. This is the work of people mostly.

The problems are numerous but they can be easily stopped with effective policies.

Much of the problem from pollution is because people just use cars too Goddamned much. And these cars mostly obviously aren't exactly EURO emissions compliant. One huge problem was when Ahmadinejad subsidised PETROL (I know) and so fuel was basically free. Tehran authorities established a system where you could only use your car every other day, but Tehranis' solution was to have 2 cars on different days so you could 1 on a day and another the next day. F*cking unbelievable.

Though this is not the only problem obviously. Tehran is a metropolis so there is a lot of traffic that adds to congestion. Also it is surrounded by mountains and there is little rain or wind, so the pollution just gets stuck there.

On the bright side this is almost exclusive to Tehran, most other cities don't face this problem at all.

The most pressing problem is not pollution but water shortage since Iran like all the middle east has an arid climate but this can also be solved by MUCH more efficient farming methods (current methods are utter trash) and desalinisation. There has even been an ambitious proposal to link the Persian Gulf to the Caspian (Russia is very excited about this) but I personally think its too ambitious.

The problems aren't there because they are unsolvable its because we haven't got round to solving them.

Well, would it not be better to execute the ones smuggling the drugs and most importantly the ones behind the smuggling schemes rather than an entire village? Not sure if that is the right way to go.

Execution is reserved for serious cases of drug smuggling. Often drug smuggling can be the whole business of an entire village (though I suspect this was small) so that would be a serious and constant violation.

Afghanistan and Pakistan are unable and unwilling to crush drug production so it lies to Iran to clear up the mess. They try to go through Iran to Europe and into Iran itself so Iran is on the front-line of the war on drugs.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

The problems are numerous but they can be easily stopped with effective policies.

Much of the problem from pollution is because people just use cars too Goddamned much. And these cars mostly obviously aren't exactly EURO emissions compliant. One huge problem was when Ahmadinejad subsidised PETROL (I know) and so fuel was basically free. Tehran authorities established a system where you could only use your car every other day, but Tehranis' solution was to have 2 cars on different days so you could 1 on a day and another the next day. F*cking unbelievable.

Though this is not the only problem obviously. Tehran is a metropolis so there is a lot of traffic that adds to congestion. Also it is surrounded by mountains and there is little rain or wind, so the pollution just gets stuck there.

On the bright side this is almost exclusive to Tehran, most other cities don't face this problem at all.

The most pressing problem is not pollution but water shortage since Iran like all the middle east has an arid climate but this can also be solved by MUCH more efficient farming methods (current methods are utter trash) and desalinisation. There has even been an ambitious proposal to link the Persian Gulf to the Caspian (Russia is very excited about this) but I personally think its too ambitious.

The problems aren't there because they are unsolvable its because we haven't got round to solving them.



Execution is reserved for serious cases of drug smuggling. Often drug smuggling can be the whole business of an entire village (though I suspect this was small) so that would be a serious and constant violation.

Afghanistan and Pakistan are unable and unwilling to crush drug production so it lies to Iran to clear up the mess. They try to go through Iran to Europe and into Iran itself so Iran is on the front-line of the war on drugs.

"The problems aren't there because they are unsolvable its because we haven't got round to solving them."

^^^

The story of much of the Middle East and Arab world too. It is certainly the case with most challenges/problems in KSA.