Kuwait Deports 80 Expats a Day, and The Parliament Wants to Deport More

[H!TchHiker]

Quotas do tend to revise..right now quota for Pak has been revised and you can see daily full page ads for recruitment in Saudi...

Yes quota do revised periodically.. In KSA proportionate ratio of Pakistanis is much better than rest of GCC states..

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

No, I just have an allergy for moronic or inaccurate claims.

Nobody wants to be the UK. A country where locals are overrun by foreigners. Go visit London. It's called Londonistan for a reason.

Londonistan is a term that Islamophobes have come up with. Good to know that you share their xenophobic sentiments lol.

The GCC states are "overrun by foreigners" too. So what? Welcome to the 21st century. This is what globalization is all about. London has become a far better place in recent years than what it was many decades ago, thanks in large part to the foreign migrants. London used to be a dull city where all shops, clinics, hospitals, and service centers used to shut down by 5 PM. London has become a much more convenient city than it used to be many decades ago.

Going by your logic, this is somehow a bad thing lol.

 

[Arabi]

I believe if Kuwait implements this insane resolution, then neighboring countries must force Kuwait to decline its oil output which reaches 2.9 million b/d. Kuwait produces more oil than the number of its citizens and it will be producing more oil than its whole population if it started to implement this ridiculous law in the future. When that so-called liberal woman Safaa Al-hashim calls for imposing more taxis on expats just to make Kuwaitis to feel as equal as foreigners in Kuwait as she stupidly said, then Kuwait must cut its oil production so that neighboring countries like Iraq starts to feel as equal as Kuwait.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Londonistan is a term that Islamophobes have come up with. Good to know that you share their xenophobic sentiments lol.

The GCC states are "overrun by foreigners" too. So what? Welcome to the 21st century. This is what globalization is all about. London has become a far better place in recent years than what it was many decades ago, thanks in large part to the foreign migrants. London used to be a dull city where all shops, clinics, hospitals, and service centers used to shut down by 5 PM. London has become a much more convenient city than it used to be many decades ago.

Going by your logic, this is somehow a bad thing lol.

No, it is a term that is also used by Arabs in London. I have relatives in London and we joke about this. Nothing to do with "Islamophobia" or "xenophobia".

Understand that nobody in the "old world" and not even most Western Europeans (finally they have realized this) want to be overrun by foreigners. We have national states for a reason.

Largely thanks to Arab investments as well. Russian too. I am not disputing that.

You don't seem to read what I am writing. I am not against neutralizing fellow Arabs not from the GCC or non-Arab expats but there must be conditions and the numbers cannot be unlimited because the GCC (as in locals) is already home to one of the largest number of youth (percentage wise) in the world and many of our youth, highly educated and less highly educated, cannot find jobs because private companies prefer to employ expats that are willing to work for a much smaller pay and for much more as they have families to feed unlike say an 21 year old Saudi Arabian who is newly graduate and in the worst case scenario, can get benefits from the state.

You see the same phenomenon within the EU in regards to Eastern European workers. Why do you think that Brexit occurred? The Brits, synomous with globalism and the founders of it basically or one of them at least, Arabs and others had their hey-days much earlier on this front but in a very different time periods, rejected this notion.

This is where the world is moving towards. Look at Trump in the US. That's also an reaction to globalism that has gone out of control.

Anyway this thread is ironically also an example of this in your own country (Kuwait). So it is ironic that you are somehow surprised or try to downplay the points I have mentioned which are reasonable.

Are you some kind of hippie or ultra-globalist?

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

No, it is a term that is also used by Arabs in London. I have relatives in London and we joke about this. Nothing to do with "Islamophobia" or "xenophobia".

Understand that nobody in the "old world" and not even most Western Europeans (finally they have realized this) want to be overrun by foreigners. We have national states for a reason.

Largely thanks to Arab investments as well. Russian too. I am not disputing that, and this won't be good for our economies.

You don't seem to read what I am writing. I am not against neutralizing fellow Arabs not from the GCC or non-Arab expats but there must be conditions and the numbers cannot be unlimited because the GCC (as in locals) is already home to one of the largest number of youth (percentage wise) in the world and many of our youth, highly educated and less highly educated, cannot find jobs because private companies prefer to employ expats that are willing to work for a much smaller pay and for much more as they have families to feed unlike say an 21 year old Saudi Arabian who is newly graduate and in the worst case scenario, can get benefits from the state.

You see the same phenomenon within the EU in regards to Eastern European workers. Why do you think that Brexit occurred? The Brits, synomous with globalism and the founders of it basically or one of them at least, Arabs and others had their hey-days much earlier on this front but in a very different time periods, rejected this notion.

This is where the world is moving towards. Look at Trump in the US. That's also an reaction to globalism that has gone out of control.

We've built so many cities in the Gulf in recent years. We need to naturalize foreigners in order to fill these cities.

If we don't, then we'd end up with many ghost cities across the Gulf.

Our native population isn't growing fast enough to fill all the new cities we've built, and that's because population growth has slowed down significantly over the last 4-5 decades due to declining fertility rates. This is perfectly natural; it's happening all around the world as we speak, including in many parts of sub-Saharan Africa. Don't expect continuous indigenous population growth. We need to open our borders for foreign migrants sooner or later, and this means that we must naturalize people based on merit instead of based on their ideologies. Merit-wise, the Gulf is filled with many South Asian, Filipino and even African migrants who have contributed greatly to our economies and have sacrificed so much of their lives to build our countries. These people need to be naturalized, irrespective of what they identify themselves as.

This is the only way forward. There's really no other way in the age of globalization. Europe isn't going to change by the way. The rise of right-wing populism in the West is simply a temporary backlash to globalization. It'll fade away in the coming years. The liberal world order will prevail by default. Countries in the future will survive and prosper by their ability to attract migrants from different parts of the world. Countries that fail to do so will sink into oblivion.

I personally think it's about time the GCC states naturalize all foreigners who have contributed to our countries, regardless of how they choose to identify themselves.

In any case, there will come a time when this won't be up to us anyway. Citizenship is a human right according to international law. Sooner or later, many foreigners around here will demand citizenship, and our governments must grant them that since a lot of these foreigners have spent many decades in the Gulf, not to mention the fact that a lot of their families have lived in the Gulf for more than a generation. The international community will pressure our governments to naturalize them. So instead of receiving orders from international bodies such as the UN, we might as well naturalize them now and be done with it.

 

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Saudis among 6,131 illegal residents adjusted status in Kuwait

A total of 6,131 illegal residents have adjusted their legal status during the period from 2011 to mid-July 2014, the Central Apparatus for Illegal Residents' Affairs said here on Saturday.
Out of the total, 4,553 illegal residents have adjusted their position into the Saudi nationality, 633 into the Syrian nationality, 585 into the Iraqi nationality, 62 into the Iranian nationality, 46 into the Jordanian nationality and 252 into other nationalities, the acting director of the agency for status adjustment Col. Khaled Al-Maghrabi told KUNA.
The agency provides a package of incentives to illegal residents who adjust their legal status and come up with their original nationalities.
For instance, the agency grants all their family members a five-year residency permit with no fees incurred, free-of-charge educational and health services, supply cards and recruitment at public agencies and bodies.

https://www.arabtoday.net/39/illegal-residents-adjusted-status-thru-midjuly-2014-in-kuwait

 

[Saif al-Arab]

We've built so many cities in the Gulf in recent years. We need to naturalize foreigners in order to fill these cities.

If we don't, then we'd end up with many ghost cities across the Gulf.

Our native population isn't growing fast enough to fill all the new cities we've built, and that's because population growth has slowed down significantly over the last 4-5 decades due to declining fertility rates. This is perfectly natural; it's happening all around the world as we speak, including in many parts of sub-Saharan Africa. Don't expect continuous indigenous population growth. We need to open our borders for foreign migrants sooner or later, and this means that we must naturalize people based on merit instead of based on their ideologies. Merit-wise, the Gulf is filled with many South Asian, Filipino and even African migrants who have contributed greatly to our economies and have sacrificed so much of their lives to build our countries. These people need to be naturalized, irrespective of what they identify themselves as.

This is the only way forward. There's really no other way in the age of globalization. Europe isn't going to change by the way. The rise of right-wing populism in the West is simply a temporary backlash to globalization. It'll fade away in the coming years. The liberal world order will prevail by default. Countries in the future will survive and prosper by their ability to attract migrants from different parts of the world. Countries that fail to do so will sink into oblivion.

I personally think it's about time the GCC states naturalize all foreigners who have contributed to our countries, regardless of how they choose to identify themselves.

In any case, there will come a time when this won't be up to us anyway. Citizenship is a human right according to international law. Sooner or later, many foreigners around here will demand citizenship, and our governments must grant them that since a lot of these foreigners have spent many decades in the Gulf, not to mention the fact that a lot of their families have lived in the Gulf for more than a generation. The international community will pressure our governments to naturalize them. So instead of receiving orders from international bodies such as the UN, we might as well naturalize them now and be done with it.

85% of the population of Arabia is confined to KSA and Yemen (one of the fastest growing populations in the world). Almost 60 million natives live in those two countries. Our populations are growing. We have some of the largest youth populations percentage wise in the world.

You cannot compare that with countries that have a tiny population (native as non-native) such as Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE and even Oman. Even in those countries the number of locals is increasing by each year.

We do not face a demographic problem like Europe, Turkey, Iran or others do or will do soon.

Did I just not say (for the third time) that I am not against neutralizing fellow Arabs or non-Arabs but that there must be clear rules in this regard (reasonable and objective ones as I mentioned) and that the number of neutralized foreigners cannot get out of control.

Arabia, if you don't know it, has actually been one of the fastest growing regions population wise in the past few decades. This cannot continue because there is not an infinite number of resources available and jobs despite technology most likely being able to deal with most of the challenges.

As for Europe/West. I am not so sure about that. When Jews were gaining too much power and getting too big in terms of numbers Nazism occurred. The anti-Islam discourse in Europe that we see today and that keeps increasing is another reminder of the tradition in Europe of ethnic violence.

Anyway I don't understand why you are so much worried about some Filipinos but don't comment on the treatment of local Bedoon in Kuwait or the fact that many LOCALS (you included) in the GCC, in particular the youth, have too big unemployment rates due to some of the reasons I mentioned among others.

You must have educated or even highly educated friends in Kuwait (locals) who cannot get jobs because of the reasons that I mentioned. In return the state is wasting money to give them benefits while they could easily contribute to the economy. That is a problem.

Let's solve that first before inviting half of the Arab and Muslim world and everything in between.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I personally support the highly controversial proposal to naturalize some of the South Asian and Filipino immigrants who are working in the Gulf.

I disagree. I think Pakistani's cannot and should not be naturalized because they are not from MENA region and therefore would not fit in GCC. Perhaps a better idea might be just to naturalize Semites only and this offer should extend to Israeli's and Semitic Jews in Europe/America.

 

[Arabi]

I disagree. I think Pakistani's cannot and should not be naturalized because they are not from MENA region and therefore would not fit in GCC. Perhaps a better idea might be just to naturalize Semites only and this offer should extend to Israeli's and Semitic Jews in Europe/America.

Many Balochis in Saudi Arabia don't see themselves as Pakistanis and they hate Pakistan from the bottom of their hearts.
They even get pissed off if you refer to them as Pakistanis in front of strange people.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Many Balochis in Saudi Arabia don't see themselves as Pakistanis and they hate Pakistan from the bottom of their hearts.
They even get pissed off if you refer to them as Pakistanis in front of strange people.

I have witnessed that as well. With Baloch from Iran too. Maybe even more so given the appalling condition of the Baloch in Iran. You can't blame them for having looked towards greener pastures in recent centuries across the pond.

Actually you have many of such Pashtuns too. Especially the Afghan lot but also from Pakistan. I guess they want their own little "Pasthunistan". Anyway that is none of our business and those disagreements have to be solved by locals.

For instance one of the most fervent anti-Iran clerics in the GCC is a Baloch.

Abu Muntasir al-Baluchi.

Now based in London I believe.

There have been a lot of Baloch Islamists in the GCC historically actually compared to their small size. I guess this is a result of the general oppression that they face in Iran.

 

[somebozo]

It's really strange when you have members in the Kuwaiti Parliament whose origins are mainly from Iran or Iraq then they ask for the deportation of foreigners. The surprising thing is that the Salafist Rep Waleed Al-tabtabai who represented this new resolution and He's derived from Iran as far as I know, the more surprising thing is the Shia Rep Saleh Ashour is backing this resolution though he's of Iranian Farsi origin whose fathers probably came in boat to Kuwait looking for proper life, the strangest thing in the whole resolution is that the only woman in Kuwaiti Parliament, the liberal Rep Safaa Al-Hashim is calling for imposing more Taxis targeting only expats in Kuwait.

The situation of Iraq represents the mentality of its people today..

Further, the Minister of Labor and Social Affairs Hind al-Subaih promises to limit the residency period allowed for expat, and parliament members have proposed a plan to tax expats. Kuwait’s deportation campaigns registered the most extreme measures in recent years, with migrants deported for political statements, traffic violations, barbecuing in public, harassment, and other absurd reasons. Just this month, the Ministry of Interior said it will not renew the residencies of 100,000 domestic workers who hold driving licences “as they cause traffic.” Kuwait’s migration management is unabashedly shifting from a system that lends to migrant’s exploitation, to a system that very directly exacts this exploitation, capitalizing on their income and wellness.

https://www.migrant-rights.org/2016/09/whats-the-real-deal-behind-kuwaits-segregated-health-care/

Many Balochis in Saudi Arabia don't see themselves as Pakistanis and they hate Pakistan from the bottom of their hearts.
They even get pissed off if you refer to them as Pakistanis in front of strange people.

Many of these were traded as slaves by Arabs and found themselves stateless after the end of slavery..and being a slave..they have the same slave mentality...

Abu Muntasir al-Baluchi.

Now based in London I believe.

Money talks and he is a big liar...

Saudis among 6,131 illegal residents adjusted status in Kuwait

A total of 6,131 illegal residents have adjusted their legal status during the period from 2011 to mid-July 2014, the Central Apparatus for Illegal Residents' Affairs said here on Saturday.
Out of the total, 4,553 illegal residents have adjusted their position into the Saudi nationality, 633 into the Syrian nationality, 585 into the Iraqi nationality, 62 into the Iranian nationality, 46 into the Jordanian nationality and 252 into other nationalities, the acting director of the agency for status adjustment Col. Khaled Al-Maghrabi told KUNA.
The agency provides a package of incentives to illegal residents who adjust their legal status and come up with their original nationalities.
For instance, the agency grants all their family members a five-year residency permit with no fees incurred, free-of-charge educational and health services, supply cards and recruitment at public agencies and bodies.

https://www.arabtoday.net/39/illegal-residents-adjusted-status-thru-midjuly-2014-in-kuwait

Yes the so called bedoons who were covertly employed in police and army positions..but giving up their nationality..later they found themselves stateless..but a good proportion is able to claim their ancestors nationality...

Yes quota do revised periodically.. In KSA proportionate ratio of Pakistanis is much better than rest of GCC states..

Well Pakistan and Filipine are in opposite groups..so when Pak goes down..Filipine goes up...right now Filipine has gone down..so Pak went up automatically..

I believe if Kuwait implements this insane resolution, then neighboring countries must force Kuwait to decline its oil output which reaches 2.9 million b/d. Kuwait produces more oil than the number of its citizens and it will be producing more oil than its whole population if it started to implement this ridiculous law in the future. When that so-called liberal woman Safaa Al-hashim calls for imposing more taxis on expats just to make Kuwaitis to feel as equal as foreigners in Kuwait as she stupidly said, then Kuwait must cut its oil production so that neighboring countries like Iraq starts to feel as equal as Kuwait.

Kuwait and Iraq have difficult history entirely due to oil production..!

 

[AmirPatriot]

We do not face a demographic problem like Europe, Turkey, Iran

What demographic problem?

is a result of the general oppression that they face in Iran.

Not really, but they do have a valid reason.

The reason is that Balochistan is quite a poor area of Iran, since it is a location with arid land unsuitable for agriculture. It also has little natural resources. These mean it has a small population, which means it has poor infrastructure and a lack of job opportunities.

This trend is being reversed. The IRGC's commerical engineering companies are getting contracts to develop the Balochistan region's infrastructure, and the Indian investment in the Chabahar port will bring in trade, infrastructure and jobs.

Though as usual I see this thread has been derailed to Iran by the obsessive creature that created it.

 

[Full Moon]

I think Kuwait should consider a gradual ban and deportation of its Persian Iranian residents who have not yet acquired its citizenship. After all, we have seen how such racial group can suddenly turn into sleeping cells for the Iranian government. Kuwaiti citizens of Persian origin (commonly known as Al Ajam) like those with the last names معرفي، بهبهاني، قبازرد، اشكناني should also be monitored for the same reasons.

 

[AmirPatriot]

I think Kuwait should consider a gradual ban and deportation of its Persian Iranians residents who have not yet acquired its citzenship. After all, we have seen how such racial group can suddenly turn into sleeping cells for the Iranian government. Kuwaiti citzens of Persian origins (commonly known as Al Ajam) like those with the last names معرفي، بهبهاني، قبازرد should also be monitored for the same reasons.

Racist.

 

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I think Kuwait should consider a gradual ban and deportation of its Persian Iranians residents who have not yet acquired its citzenship. After all, we have seen how such racial group can suddenly turn into sleeping cells for the Iranian government. Kuwaiti citzens of Persian origins (commonly known as Al Ajam) like those with the last names معرفي، بهبهاني، قبازرد should also be monitored for the same reasons.

Kuwait should deport Saudi illegal residents and Legal Saudi residents should be monitored 24/7 before one of them detonate himself killing innocent civilians.

Last time this Saudi scum detonated himself inside a Kuwaiti mosque killed 27 people and injured 227 people.

Kuwait identifies suicide bomber as Saudi citizen

Kuwaiti authorities say they have identified the suicide bomber of a Shia mosque as a Saudi citizen. The suicide bomber, who led an attack on Imam Sadiq mosque in al-Sawaber neighbourhood that left 27 people dead, was identified as a Saudi citizen, Kuwait's interior ministry said on Sunday.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...izen-shia-mosque-suicide-150628082226519.html