KP to complete two hydel projects this month

[Dubious]

Transformers blasting is like a routine thing here. So annoying, mostly scare the crap out of me. Very scary.

Wonder why they dont do something about it...

but regular days it is all ok. When it was bad on first and second Ramzan , everyone acknowledged heavy load shedding but not now dear .

So every day is a good day? Good to hear you are satisfied by being robbed

 

[I FLY HIGH]

Wonder why they dont do something about it...


So every day is a good day? Good to hear you are satisfied by being robbed

robbed ? now that is sarcastic .

 

[Jango]

In karachi, we don't face any because our area clocks 100% payment.

I'll get back to you when I check about my area...

 

[I FLY HIGH]

both private projects under implantation since 2010..you can look for their LOI, LOS during 2010, financial closure have been recently achieved. much credit goes to 2007 water and power policy for allowing such ventures. howver i am not oen playing the govt role in encouraging foreign investment.

what the govt has done itself? it only seems interested in quick fix private invested LNG (disregarding the price issue) and looking to build motorways and infrastructure. govt was keen in the beginning but when it saw low oi prices it went for the quick fix, focusing on the projects that will give it most political leverage in the future

where as line losses, just look at the govt based advertisement posted above(post #62), rather than improving its getting bad

there is near zero load shedding in Peshawar good feeders, where i am. so i apprecate the policy of PML N giving rewards to good feeders (though the policy was forcefully implemented by IMF )

those with high line lossess quote that the reason they are not paying bill is the meter readers corruption, they use to get pay from some users and over bill others to cover up lossess and thus the honest users also decided not to pay. if you do complaint and show them real proof that your meter was over billed no one would listen. this has happened to me too in past so i agree to their assessment , i was billed 40,000 rs when i had consumed less than 200 units but as i am doctor they had to listen

thats is why smart meters were proposed and fully funded by asian bank but rejected by govt on grounds???? "well we dont want to invest money and get a loan"

Financial closure is the heart of any project , these projects are closed by current govt so you cant take the credit away , even if you dont want to give the credit , its ok for me . Now for CNG plants , i agree those would produce expensive power as compared to hydel and coal , but govt is supposed to cut out a good deal with Qatar , if it is a good price it would be a win win situation . But we have to keep onething in mind that if in future the oil prices increase it also increases the gas prices and coal is no exception . All the commodities are liked with each other . Still Lng would be cheaper at least 15 percent compared to brent oil . We cant wait for long as our economy and our social fabric is crippling now , we need to have some quick solutions, then medium tern solutions and long term solutions as well.

 

[WAJsal]

Wonder why they dont do something about it...

Who are you kidding.

 

[ziaulislam]

The best way to stop a thief is to cut his supply.Even the smart meters can't help curbing the kunda connections which can only be done so by shutting down the grid.

Even this small Ranoli is 80% ADB funded...

smart meters is only solution by experts..if you read about it you will know it.
smart meters are installed at both grid and consumer level which provides real time data, any kunda/anomaly will be detected immediately as well as its approximate location, meaning a team can be dispatched to that location and find the source making it very difficult to steal energy. you can even immediately switch the power off to that location..making the whole exercise meaningless.

Financial closure is the heart of any project , these projects are closed by current govt so you cant take the credit away , even if you dont want to give the credit , its ok for me . Now for CNG plants , i agree those would produce expensive power as compared to hydel and coal , but govt is supposed to cut out a good deal with Qatar , if it is a good price it would be a win win situation . But we have to keep onething in mind that if in future the oil prices increase it also increases the gas prices and coal is no exception . All the commodities are liked with each other . Still Lng would be cheaper at least 15 percent compared to brent oil . We cant wait for long as our economy and our social fabric is crippling now , we need to have some quick solutions, then medium tern solutions and long term solutions as well.

i agree that PML N should be given credit for financial closure. but than PML N should not steal the credit from PPPP with respect to 1400mw tarbela project.

so you are accepting that PML N by closing tarbela project at a very incredible rates (half the rates of these projects) performed way better than PPPP?

PPPP in its tenure were able to build 500mw of hydro all very cheap due to source of funding and also financially close tarbela IV and doing the ground work for Dasu project finances

meanwhile after two yeas PML N have only closed 2 private projects nothing else in hydro sector.

if the trend continues PML N performance will only be marginally better or may be worse in hydro sector(unless it intiates bhasha dam in full swing)

regarding LNG being 15% cheaper, i can argue that coal is 50% cheaper than LNg and is sustainable while LNG from past 10 years experience is not sustainable once oil prices hit 100$. its way expensive than the average price of 10rs today. so mean even tough we have very expensive power it will become more expensive.


even japan cant afford LNG and are going back to nuclear!!!!!!!!!!!!

even PML N knew that, thats what they have said in their manifesto, its available on line just read page 22-26 , they have clearly said that problem is energy mix which can only be corrected by coal and hydro...i voted for pmln because of their experience and their manifesto..i didnt expecetd them to back tack once they see a political opportunity in case of low oil prices.
my guess is that we will have no load shedding in year 2018, govt will simply patch it up with circular debt just as PPPP patched the rupee stability with foreign reserves. once they win the elections of 2018(which they will no doubt about it, as their strong hold punjab represent more than 50% of votes and they are cashing in Hazra too with motorways), the problem will reemerge again

if PML N just follow 50% of their manifesto from page 22-27. i will say they succeeded 100%

 

[ziaulislam]

simply put PPPP scored 3/10, PML N promised a 10/10 and scored 4/10 in power sector.

other than allowing imported coal in private sector and may be 2 coastal nuclear plants with Chinese funding noting noticeable.

no govt funded coal projects, no infrastructure for gaddani but scrapping it, no bhasha, stall in dasu and poor performance in most important issue line lossess

 

[Kabira]

simply put PPPP scored 3/10, PML N promised a 10/10 and scored 4/10 in power sector.

other than allowing imported coal in private sector and may be 2 coastal nuclear plants with Chinese funding noting noticeable.

no govt funded coal projects, no infrastructure for gaddani but scrapping it, no bhasha, stall in dasu and poor performance in most important issue line lossess

Lets wait till 2018 and see how much promised electricity is added to national grid. Remember PPP didn't add single MW to national grid in 5 years.

 

[pkuser2k12]

 

[Dubious]

Who are you kidding.

myself

 

[I FLY HIGH]

smart meters is only solution by experts..if you read about it you will know it.
smart meters are installed at both grid and consumer level which provides real time data, any kunda/anomaly will be detected immediately as well as its approximate location, meaning a team can be dispatched to that location and find the source making it very difficult to steal energy. you can even immediately switch the power off to that location..making the whole exercise meaningless.


i agree that PML N should be given credit for financial closure. but than PML N should not steal the credit from PPPP with respect to 1400mw tarbela project.

so you are accepting that PML N by closing tarbela project at a very incredible rates (half the rates of these projects) performed way better than PPPP?

PPPP in its tenure were able to build 500mw of hydro all very cheap due to source of funding and also financially close tarbela IV and doing the ground work for Dasu project finances

meanwhile after two yeas PML N have only closed 2 private projects nothing else in hydro sector.

if the trend continues PML N performance will only be marginally better or may be worse in hydro sector(unless it intiates bhasha dam in full swing)

regarding LNG being 15% cheaper, i can argue that coal is 50% cheaper than LNg and is sustainable while LNG from past 10 years experience is not sustainable once oil prices hit 100$. its way expensive than the average price of 10rs today. so mean even tough we have very expensive power it will become more expensive.


even japan cant afford LNG and are going back to nuclear!!!!!!!!!!!!

even PML N knew that, thats what they have said in their manifesto, its available on line just read page 22-26 , they have clearly said that problem is energy mix which can only be corrected by coal and hydro...i voted for pmln because of their experience and their manifesto..i didnt expecetd them to back tack once they see a political opportunity in case of low oil prices.
my guess is that we will have no load shedding in year 2018, govt will simply patch it up with circular debt just as PPPP patched the rupee stability with foreign reserves. once they win the elections of 2018(which they will no doubt about it, as their strong hold punjab represent more than 50% of votes and they are cashing in Hazra too with motorways), the problem will reemerge again

if PML N just follow 50% of their manifesto from page 22-27. i will say they succeeded 100%

World Bank unanimously approves Dasu project - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
1-Current govt succeded in arranging the Dasu hydro project funding and you say it has no credit in starting Dasu?Land is being procured at Dasu site for which govt allocated Rs 50 billion in budget 15-16 and sir you say govt has not done anything for Dasu? 4100 mwatts .(phase 1 and 2)
2-Sukhi Kinari 870 and Karot 700 mwt u acknowledge about this govt .
It is altogether 5870mwatts which is not a bad figure either as our current hydel capacity lies somewhere arround 6500mwatts which is built in 65 years .(keep in mind that hydro construction takes time but is all done .
3- Coming to Coal power plants , When u dont have the bucks in your pocket you cannot dictate , chineese refuse to fund Gaddani , now what can you do with a crippling economy and govt still succeded in the financial closure of 1300 MWTS port Qasim , 1300 mwt sahiwal , 660 mwt thar and 300 mwts chakwal . Altogether it is 4590 mwtts coal power , it is a very good figure as the country does not have any reasonable coal power production . You must give credit to the govt .
4- Nuclear power plants , Govt succeded in the financial closure of Kanup 2 and 3 which will produce 2100 mwatts nuclear power . work is on and timeline is 2019. How can you ignore giving credit to the current govt ?
5- As all the hydel and nuclear are long term projects , can take 4 - 5 years easily , coal will take about 3 years if fast tracked , now after failure of Gaddani what has left with govt ? either wait for 5 years to get power or do something quickly , i would support govt here as Lng power will be at Rs 10 / kwt hr but will be available to out industry and households . Experts say that oil prices will some how be stable for 3 atleast , after that if the rate increases it will start to dilute with the upcoming coal and then hydel and then nuclear power . So the mix will be good enough even after 4-5 years .

smart meters is only solution by experts..if you read about it you will know it.
smart meters are installed at both grid and consumer level which provides real time data, any kunda/anomaly will be detected immediately as well as its approximate location, meaning a team can be dispatched to that location and find the source making it very difficult to steal energy. you can even immediately switch the power off to that location..making the whole exercise meaningless.


i agree that PML N should be given credit for financial closure. but than PML N should not steal the credit from PPPP with respect to 1400mw tarbela project.

so you are accepting that PML N by closing tarbela project at a very incredible rates (half the rates of these projects) performed way better than PPPP?

PPPP in its tenure were able to build 500mw of hydro all very cheap due to source of funding and also financially close tarbela IV and doing the ground work for Dasu project finances

meanwhile after two yeas PML N have only closed 2 private projects nothing else in hydro sector.

if the trend continues PML N performance will only be marginally better or may be worse in hydro sector(unless it intiates bhasha dam in full swing)

regarding LNG being 15% cheaper, i can argue that coal is 50% cheaper than LNg and is sustainable while LNG from past 10 years experience is not sustainable once oil prices hit 100$. its way expensive than the average price of 10rs today. so mean even tough we have very expensive power it will become more expensive.


even japan cant afford LNG and are going back to nuclear!!!!!!!!!!!!

even PML N knew that, thats what they have said in their manifesto, its available on line just read page 22-26 , they have clearly said that problem is energy mix which can only be corrected by coal and hydro...i voted for pmln because of their experience and their manifesto..i didnt expecetd them to back tack once they see a political opportunity in case of low oil prices.
my guess is that we will have no load shedding in year 2018, govt will simply patch it up with circular debt just as PPPP patched the rupee stability with foreign reserves. once they win the elections of 2018(which they will no doubt about it, as their strong hold punjab represent more than 50% of votes and they are cashing in Hazra too with motorways), the problem will reemerge again

if PML N just follow 50% of their manifesto from page 22-27. i will say they succeeded 100%

Advantages of Lng plants over coal power plants .
1-More over the set up cost of coal power plants is double as compared to the Gas power plants . it is a major factor for govt to shift to Lng power plants as govt wants to get rid of shortage and it has limited amount of money to do so .For the first time govt opened its bag of PSDP for the first time .(less money more power )
2- Installation time is quite quick , it is just putting it on the foundation and its ready to peform while coal power plants is a long hessel of assembly and it takes more teething issues to smooth line it . SO LNG IS QUICK.
3- Maintenance time is more and more maintenance is required as compared to LNG plants .
4- Less pollution as compared to coal power plants .

 

[ziaulislam]

ok so you are telling me that
2. coal cannot be steup in 4 years
3.coal plants are too problematic to run
4. we are worried about pollution from coal.

can i even discuss with some one who comes with such logic????


chinese refuse the gaddani on base of funding because govt is ready to spend billions on metro buses and infrastuture but nothing on important coal infrastructure, billions have been spent on bail out of steels mills with poor results

govt should simply spend 200 billion rupees on power infrastructure to revive gaddani or similar coal initiative and accept asian bank proposals for smart meters to stop loss of over 300 billion rupees each year in power sector.
it should also spend another 200 billion rupees on bhasha and dasu or accept WAPDA proposals for govt backed loans, or insuring WAPDA assets

this represent less money that put aside for roads and motorways this single year(230 billion rupees)

in short, govt is going to cash in the low oil prices ignoring the country needs in long run

Lets wait till 2018 and see how much promised electricity is added to national grid. Remember PPP didn't add single MW to national grid in 5 years.

wrong. PPPP added over 800mw of hydro electricity alone. 2000mw in gas projects. it also continued NJ project and 2 nuclear plants that are due to complete next year

what PPPP did wrong was to refuse to allow imported coal projects as it was afraid that thar coal might die. this is the only difference of performance between the two parties

honestly, i want PML N to succeed.
lets hope they solve the power crisis through affordable means rather than going for short term expensive fix.

 

[SBD-3]

KP would love to directly add this electricity to national grid rather than setting up a local distribution because of high default rate in KPK's most of the remote grids is dismal

 

[Jazzbot]

Pictures of newly completed 17 MW Ranolia Dam in KPK: