Korea widens lead over Japan, Detroit in car quality

[Aepsilons]

Not according to @Nihonjin1051

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Thanks for the link, buddy. Yea, this issue has be discussed to death with folks propagating a fundamentally flawed premise. It has been disproven time and time again.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Nevertheless, I would still say that this is the best of the best.

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11th best selling SUV in the US last month.

 

[Jlaw]

Not according to @Nihonjin1051

He's living in denial. That's how Japanese are, never admit wrong, only regret, bow their head and put on a sad face

 

[Aepsilons]

11th best selling SUV in the US last month.

Its a good performing vehicle, sure. But we can't just sugar coat the inherent problem --- and that is the necessity for Japanese industry to increase ingenuity as well as adopt more aggressive marketing campaigns. Its just a reality we can't evade. Japanese are too subtle, imho. I can see this --- being exposed to life here in the US and in exposure to so many cultures --- Japanese society focuses too much on subtleties , calm, silence, and almost an aversion towards things that are considered "Urusai" (too loud).

The Koreans have adapted in that they accept this concept of Urusai as a necessity in industry.

We should start to accept : ザーザーっていう音

He's living in denial. That's how Japanese are, never admit wrong, only regret, bow their head and put on a sad face

It is not I, it is the theories of economists around the world and in Japan.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

He's living in denial. That's how Japanese are, never admit wrong, only regret, bow their head and put on a sad face

Their asset bubble was so big the entire country was valued at 4x more than the entire United States!
They were using it as collateral for a worldwide buying spree.

Japan`s Land Boom Spilling Across The Sea - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

"The 1.15 million square meters occupied by the Imperial Palace in the center of the Japanese capital, for instance, is said to be worth all the real estate in California."

 

[Aepsilons]

Their asset bubble was so big the entire country was valued at 4x more than the entire United States!
They were using it as collateral for a worldwide buying spree.

Japan`s Land Boom Spilling Across The Sea - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

"The 1.15 million square meters occupied by the Imperial Palace in the center of the Japanese capital, for instance, is said to be worth all the real estate in California."

JAPAN'S BUBBLE ECONOMY

Reference: San Jose University Department of Economics

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

JAPAN'S BUBBLE ECONOMY

Reference: San Jose University Department of Economics

"Barkley Rosser noted that in 1990 the aggregate value of all land in Japan was fifty percent greater than the value of all land in the rest of the world."

How can people blame the Plaza Accord with a crazy asset bubble stat like this?
You can't see the obvious problem???

 

[macnurv]

haha, yes, indeed! I remember back when I was working on my Master's Degree, i had a good friend and room mate who was a Korean studying in the same uni as i. The guy was wealthy he actually comes from a family that produces nuts and bolts as well as electric components for Hyundai Motors. Well anyways (before i go in a tangent, LOL) , back to the point --- whenever he and i would go out for dinner the conversations would start from : 1) hot girls we saw that week, 2) hot girls who we wanted to date that week, 3) me talking about how i missed family in Japan, 4) him talking about how he missed Korea, 5) him talking about Korean brands > Japanese brands....LOL...LOL!!!!

But seriously, the point is that Koreans are very very nationalistic and proud of their national brands and they have every right to be. I mean, they come from a country that was wrecked with war and devastation in the 1950s, rebuilt their country form ashes through shear hard work, sacrifice. My friend , tho he was extremely wealthy, drove a 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe. I admired that so much about him --- his : a) pride in Korean brands, b) pride in being Korean, c) dedication to Korea.

With that mental process and that kind of dedication --- I'm not surprised at all that Koreans will work hard to increase the quality of their products, thus their products perceptions abroad. So definitely, not surprised at all, and I'm happy for them. Definitely is a lesson for us Japanese how to be and to re-learn in how it means to sacrifice (self annihilation for excellence).

Sorry dear friend but allow me to disagree with you wholeheartedly. I don't share the notion of supporting local brands to the point of absurdity, if I can afford better quality products I will use them. Just because something is produced in my country by my countrymen, unless I don't have a choice or that product is competitive, I wont bother wasting my money on it. The idea of supporting your national products is nothing but a racket and self imposed extortion scheme. May be I don't suffer from too much nationalistic tendencies, but in the end to me quality rains supreme. May be your friend felt the need to show you that Korea had came a long way since WWII, lets not forget the bad blood that is prevalent to this day among Japan and other South east Asian nations.

Thank you, my friend. I think we Japanese are just mediocre, we are not that nationalistic, really. In terms of nationalism and national devotion, the Koreans really defined that aspect. I see the Koreans as a role model; their level of devotion to work and to organization is something that all developed and developing countries should aspire for.

Call me biased, but lot of Japanese products are still better made when compared to Korean ones, this whole industrialization is taking a toll on craftsmanship in Korea, thanks to consumerism driven policies. I am going a bit off topic but some Koreans are worried about the effects K-Pop is having on traditional Korean culture, but in the end all is interlinked.
But credit where its due, Koreans indeed have progressed leaps and bound and should be proud of their achievements and would be an inspiration for other nations. But blind nationalism, that is just stupid.

Certainly the Koreans have seen an opportunity with electronics and have done very well.

As for cars usually a stigma lasts a generation. Certainly Hyundai, Kia (and even the German luxury maker Audi Sudden unintended acceleration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) got hit bad about 25 years ago and have been creeping back from the bottom of the sales barrel since.

If you owned a Hyundai in the '80s or '90s people laughed at you. It was the poor man's new car. It would have black dots all the way down in Consumer Report's reliability ratings. Kia was so bad I think they simply stopped selling them.



I don't think many people here blame Toyota for the airbag screwup.

Toyota still #1 (and #2....hmm a Volkswagen broke into the top 20!)
Top 20 Best-Selling Cars In America - June 2015 - GOOD CAR BAD CAR

Two different but important points you raised, Korean cars have a brand image problem and it might take them some time to break or change that image. No body looks at Hyundai or Kia and wonders oh that is my dream car, may be the marketing department should work harder on that lol. Quality vows might be an issue of the past, but still the buyers categorize the brands as not the best.

The airbag saga continues, it was not only Japanese automakers that were affected but pretty much all the car makers across the globe, BMW, Ford, Honda all were affected. What matters how the saga was handled by Takata.

Checked out the RIo, the Focus and the Civic. At the end, stuck with the Civic even though the other guys had better kit in certain cases. So far after 10000mi.. my ownsership costs for the civic less fuel have been $60..and it purrs like it just came off the line even after the potholed streets of southern USA.
By contrast, the number of owners selling off their rio's and focuses during the same time is hilarious.

Civic is an extremely reliable car, and there is hardly any car in the market to match that but it is not the top of the line or premium car for Honda. Cost of ownership is something many first time buyers not take into account, but once your premium car runs out of warranty then you really feel the bite as well, lol.
But as different countries have different social constructs, Civic was considered a sign of wealth and status in Pakistan. Ford, well you spend more time behind the car pushing it than driving it while inside.

Their asset bubble was so big the entire country was valued at 4x more than the entire United States!
They were using it as collateral for a worldwide buying spree.

Japan`s Land Boom Spilling Across The Sea - tribunedigital-chicagotribune

"The 1.15 million square meters occupied by the Imperial Palace in the center of the Japanese capital, for instance, is said to be worth all the real estate in California."

Yup, and look where it landed them, unfortunately several other countries are following the same trend when it comes to real estate valuation, over priced.

 

[Norwegian]

Plaza Accord


He won't post anything bad about Japan economy. Just google Plaza Accord put in by US and four of her allies. That killed the Japanese world economic domination.

Your lovely China is currently in three simultaneous bubbles unprecedented in recent history. What Plaza is blamed for this?
China's Three Bubbles | RealClearPolitics

 

[Jlaw]

Your lovely China is currently in three simultaneous bubbles unprecedented in recent history. What Plaza is blamed for this?
China's Three Bubbles | RealClearPolitics

You here to troll me? did you even google Plaza Accord? Yes, my lovely China is 100x better than your India.

 

[Norwegian]

You here to troll me? did you even google Plaza Accord? Yes, my lovely China is 100x better than your India.

I am not an Indian. Your stock bubble just popped.

 

[macnurv]

You here to troll me? did you even google Plaza Accord? Yes, my lovely China is 100x better than your India.

I am not an Indian. Your stock bubble just popped.

 

[Economic superpower]

I am not an Indian. Your stock bubble just popped.

China has had many bubbles that have popped in the past, from the stock bubble in 2007, to the real estate bubble but the Chinese economic fundamentals are very strong which is why China has always remained strong.

 

[rott]

Korea is the new Japan..

Lol, ninhonjin would give you another negative rating.

 

[yoshi.oda]

"Barkley Rosser noted that in 1990 the aggregate value of all land in Japan was fifty percent greater than the value of all land in the rest of the world."

How can people blame the Plaza Accord with a crazy asset bubble stat like this?
You can't see the obvious problem???

Hey please visit Japanese forums so you can understand economic reasons , you cannot learn here, there are Chinese propagandists here.