Kingdom of Saudi Arabia : The new MMSC Ships deal

[Penguin]

I mean the Hulls..were is the radars, the vls and other equipments, are they to be purchased separately?

In reality, yes. However, in this context, it's taking the text too literally, I think: 4 hulls = 4 ships

 

[Hindustani78]

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201705311054142145-saudi-deal-may-include-thaa/

DSCA reports that there is a memorandum of intent with Saudi Arabia that could include the sale of THAAD, and the State Department has also approved a potential foreign military sale of Lockheed’s Multi-Mission Surface Combatant (MMSC), according to the agency.

Lockheed says MMSC will be able to reach speeds in excess of 30 knots and a range of 500 nautical miles, and that it will be a "lethal and highly maneuverable multi-mission surface combatant capable of littoral and open ocean operation. It was designed from the keel up to confront modern maritime and economic security threats."

The vessel will also be "based on the Freedom-variant Littoral Combat Ship’s 118-meter (387 feet) hull and it will utilize the same combined diesel and gas propulsion system," according to the defense manufacturer.

DSCA Director Joseph Rixey said in a statement that these sales would "contribute to a regional security architecture that advances defense cooperation for both the United States and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia."

"Additionally, it provides our partners with full-spectrum capabilities and the use of other security cooperation programs, such as defense institution building programs that address not only the material and related training, but also education and advising on strategy-planning doctrine and institutional support," he said.

The multibillion dollar deal also includes 150 Sikorsky Black Hawk helicopters along with Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMS), the precision-guided bombs former President Barack Obama avoided

Trump signed the arms deal with King Salman bin Abdulaziz on Sunday, with Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn Hewson saying she was "proud to be part of this historic announcement that will strengthen the relationship between" the two nations, and that the sale would "strengthen the cause of peace in the region."

 

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@cabatli_53


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/did-...rge-arms-deal-to-buy-turkish-warships.498740/


But I have not finished. ^^

I think this purchase is just a dream (In USA) and it will never happen. Why ? Because this program simply does not exist.


Saudi Arabia Set for $6B Lockheed Martin Frigate Deal as Part of Massive $110B U.S. Arms Sale (By: Sam LaGrone - May 19, 2017 3:52 PM)


“Do you really think the Saudis are so foolish as to invest heavily in an untested design that the USN has yet to commit to ? No, they will not. They will wait for the USN to turn out their "frigate" version. And they will say: "You show us the ship; we'll show you the money". This announcement is void of content. The Obama administration had already given approval for such a speculative sale.

That said, unless overruled by Congress, the USN will surely delay its frigate procurement until all LCS originally planned are built, as that has been its objective, from which it has not deviated, all along, and the talk of building a frigate merely represents retrenchment for the DON. There are some 8 or 10 "in service". Another 10 on back order or under construction. That makes 20 or so. And per the SECNAV, Navy needs authorization for 3 new starts a year through 2020 in order to keep the project alive. So that will mean 40 or so LCS, as is, by about 2024 - ten or twelve short of the original 52, before any frigate follow-on contract is let out.

In the absence of some intervening force majeure event, such as a sinking, or and Act of Congress cancelling the program, no new naval frigate project will get underway within the planning cycle originally embraced by the LCS program, and it will become a mere footnote to the current program, much like the "Streetfighter" that led to it.”



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Very Good read…



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[gati11]

they need aircraft carier

 

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@cabatli_53


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The $110 billion arms deal to Saudi Arabia is fake news

Bruce Riedel

Monday, June 5, 2017


Last month, President Trump visited Saudi Arabia and his administration announced that he had concluded a $110 billion arms deal with the kingdom. Only problem is that there is no deal. It’s fake news.

I’ve spoken to contacts in the defense business and on the Hill, and all of them say the same thing: There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts. Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday. So far nothing has been notified to the Senate for review. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the arms sales wing of the Pentagon, calls them “intended sales.” None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.


“None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.”


An example is a proposal for sale of four frigates (called multi-mission surface combatant vessels) to the Royal Saudi navy. This proposal was first reported by the State Department in 2015. No contract has followed. The type of frigate is a derivative of a vessel that the U.S. Navy uses but the derivative doesn’t actually exist yet. Another piece is the Terminal High Altitude Air Defense system (THAAD) which was recently deployed in South Korea. The Saudis have expressed interest in the system for several years but no contracts have been finalized. Obama approved the sale in principle at a summit at Camp David in 2015. Also on the wish list are 150 Black Hawk helicopters. Again, this is old news repackaged. What the Saudis and the administration did is put together a notional package of the Saudi wish list of possible deals and portray that as a deal. Even then the numbers don’t add up. It’s fake news.

Moreover, it’s unlikely that the Saudis could pay for a $110 billion deal any longer, due to low oil prices and the two-plus years old war in Yemen. President Obama sold the kingdom $112 billion in weapons over eight years, most of which was a single, huge deal in 2012 negotiated by then-Secretary of Defense Bob Gates. To get that deal through Congressional approval, Gates also negotiated a deal with Israel to compensate the Israelis and preserve their qualitative edge over their Arab neighbors. With the fall in oil prices, the Saudis have struggled to meet their payments since.

You will know the Trump deal is real when Israel begins to ask for a package to keep the Israeli Defense Forces’ qualitative edge preserved. What is coming soon is a billion-dollars deal for more munitions for the war in Yemen. The Royal Saudi Air Force needs more munitions to continue the air bombardment of the Arab world’s poorest country.

Finally, just as the arms deal is not what it was advertised, so is the much-hyped united Muslim campaign against terrorism. Instead, the Gulf states have turned on one of their own. Saudi Arabia has orchestrated a campaign to isolate Qatar. This weekend Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt broke relations with Qatar. Saudi allies like the Maldives and Yemen jumped on the bandwagon. Saudi Arabia has closed its land border with Qatar.

This is not the first such spat but it may be the most dangerous. The Saudis and their allies are eager to punish Qatar for supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, for hosting Al-Jazeera, and keeping ties with Iran. Rather than a united front to contain Iran, the Riyadh summit’s outcome is exacerbating sectarian and political tensions in the region.


Brookings.edu



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[The SC]

The contracts are usually signed after negotiating all the aspects of the deal, in most cases it takes a few years, mostly when it is accompanied with ToT, training, maintenance, weapon systems and spare parts among many other details..

 

[c-dome1]

too much money they could develop a defence sector with this money

 

[Ceylal]

It's an old deal during the Obama administration, where the Sauds signed an intent to acquire...To this day it still an intent...better close this thread, the day the Sauds will these 4 craft will be the day when the US elects a women for the White House..

 

[The SC]

It is not the same deal proposed by Obama.. this deal of Trump brings $85 billion in other technologies and system than the old $100 billion Obama deal..Only $15 billion of the old deal proposals were approved and signed for..

 

[Ceylal]

Time will tell us..But there is no deal just the Sauds pledged $400 Billions for Trump to show in Riyadh to shore up the dark image of the Sauds..

 

[The SC]

 

[Ceylal]

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Another picture another dream another printed lie

 

[Incog_nito]

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None of them are produced at all.

 

[The SC]

None of them are produced at all.

The biggest one is most likely the one for KSA.. the deal worth $6 billion has been signed..work will start soon.. delivery between 2022 and 2026..

 

[The SC]

(2007)

Saudi Arabia Eyes Heavily Armed, Aegis LCS

Saudi Arabia could be poised to become the newest member of an exclusive naval club: those countries who operate warships fitted with the advanced Aegis combat system.

Even more surprising is the ship the Saudis want to ride in on: the General Dynamics (GD) version of the U.S. Navy’s new Littoral Combat Ship (LCS).

Sources familiar with the proposal said Riyadh has examined several surface warship designs, including an Aegis variant of the Lockheed Martin LCS.
But while Lockheed Martin designers were able to fit the system into their monohull design, the results have left little margin for growth or design changes, and the Saudis prefer the greater margins found in GD’s trimaran (LCS-2).

“They have expressed a clear preference for Aegis,” said another industry source.

If the deal goes through — and all sources interviewed emphasized that no agreement has been reached — Saudi Arabia would become the seventh operator of the world’s most advanced naval combat system and the first Arab customer.

The Aegis system was created by Lockheed Martin in the late 1970s and has been updated ever since. Today, the system is fitted on all current U.S. Navy cruisers and destroyers, and one of the latest versions has been adapted for ballistic missile defense.

Japan, Spain and Norway operate Aegis ships today, while South Korea is building a new class of destroyers with the system and Australia has committed to install it aboard its new Air Defence Destroyers.
Israel also has received U.S. approval to buy it, but so far has not. An Israeli Navy proposal to build a large amphibious ship fitted with Aegis was rejected in 2004 by the Israeli government as too expensive.
Israel also is considering buying the LCS. In April, the U.S. Navy gave Lockheed a $5.2 million contract to study the feasibility of an Israeli LCS.
U.S. officials said no similar contract has been issued for any other country, although Malaysia and Norway, among others, have expressed interest.


The Foreign Military Sales potential of the LCS has been a prime element of the program. U.S. Navy officials touted the ship’s adaptability to multiple customer requirements and said the modular mission concept would attract foreign buyers. But sources familiar with foreign navy discussions said countries generally don’t want to spend the money to buy multiple mission modules. The U.S. Navy is struggling to control costs on the modules, which include numerous manned and unmanned vehicles. Instead, according to the sources, foreign navies are eager to put permanent systems in place in the spaces reserved in the LCS designs for the modules and their vehicles.

A Mini-Destroyer

Sources said the LCS design being contemplated by the Saudis is far more heavily armed than U.S. versions. Among the desired characteristics:

• The SPY-1F version of Aegis, similar to that fitted in new Norwegian frigates.

• A 57mm gun.

• Two Mark 41 eight-cell vertical launch systems, able to handle 16 Standard surface-to-air missiles or 64 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles.

• Two quad-pack Harpoon surface-to-surface launchers.

• Two 20mm Close In Weapon Systems.

• Two triple Mark 32 torpedo tubes for anti-submarine torpedoes.

• Four remote .50-caliber guns.

• Chaff launchers.

• The General Dynamics Canada Hydra dipping sonar.

• A mine detection center.

• A hangar able to house two MH-60R helicopters.


Direct comparisons with U.S. Navy LCS versions are difficult because of the many variations in the mission modules.
The Saudi ship would lose some of its speed in the Aegis configuration, but could still top 40 knots, the sources said. Although the craft would lack the range and weapons load-out of a destroyer or cruiser, it would emulate on a smaller scale the capabilities of the bigger ships.

Details of the design being prepared for Israel remain closely held, but one source described it as carrying Barak and Harpoon missiles. “It’s a missile gunboat,” the source said.

Sources said the cost of the Saudi Aegis LCS ranges between $400 million and $500 million. The U.S. Navy’s versions, including two mission modules, come in at just under $400 million.

Work on the Saudi design has been a closely guarded secret, and all those interviewed for this story expressed surprise that word was getting out. Ironically, if the Saudi Aegis proposal is approved, Lockheed Martin would be a key participant in both LCS designs.

The Navy is building competing designs from Lockheed and General Dynamics and envisions choosing one for further development or continuing in production with both types. The U.S. Navy declined to discuss specifics aimed at potential foreign customers, but Lt. John Gay, a spokesman at the Pentagon, acknowledged that “the LCS has received significant interest from other navies.” “The Navy is working closely with its global partners and looks forward to the possibility of foreign military sales of littoral combat ships to our allies,” Gay said. •

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1872811/posts

Aegis LCS (LCS-2) Saudi Arabia

Forgotten LCS Capabilities
The LCS Air Group​

One of the significant capabilities of the littoral combat ship (LCS) that is often overlooked in discussion is the ship’s extensive aviation facilities. Both LCS variants have large flight decks and helicopter hangars. Their modular spaces also support the storage of ordnance and aviation maintenance gear in support of extended rotary wing operations. The three ship deployed LCS squadron can theoretically support six MH 60R helicopters and Firescout unmanned rotary-wing vehicles (1), or a combination of those assets. The LCS air group can perform a number of warfare and surveillance roles in support of a naval component commander’s campaign effort.

An LCS air wing of multiple assets operating in conjunction with other weapons and capabilities based on the LCS sea frames such as the Harpoon and Naval Strike missiles constitutes a significant surface warfare capability. Operating in a distributive configuration but linked using air and surface equipment, an LCS squadron might launch coordinated strikes from air and surface assets. The high speed of the LCS sea frames allows them to rapidly re-position away from aircraft launch and recovery sites (12), thus increasing an opponent’s area of uncertainty in planning a counter-strike. The distributive employment of LCS at maximum distance forces an opponent to contemplate a much wider battle space in locating and striking at LCS sea frames. Unlike one or two conventional frigates that might support 12-16 antiship cruise missiles, the loss of one LCS only degrades the formation’s strike capacity rather than halving or entirely losing it.

http://navy-matters.blogspot.ca/2016/10/forgotten-lcs-capabilities-lcs-air-group.html
http://navy-matters.blogspot.ca/2016/10/forgotten-lcs-capabilities-lcs-air-group.html
[URL='http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-new-littoral-combat-ships-updated-01343/']MH 60R [/URL]


Firescout unmanned rotary-wing vehicles