King Abdullah of Jordan warns of “massive conflict” if Israel proceeds with annexation

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Yet the Jews lived under the thumb of Arabs for millennia to the point that as of 2020, 2/3's of all modern-day Israeli Jews are of Arab Jewish ancestry. Israel did not exist for 2000 + years and in that same time period Arabs created an untold amount of caliphates, empires, kingdoms, emirates, sheikdoms, sultanates, imamates on 3 continents (Asia, Europe and Africa) spanning from the outskirts of Paris in the North to the Swahili coastline in Southeastern Africa to Portugal/Spain/Mauritania/Morocco in the west to Western China/modern-day Pakistan in the east not withstanding controlling major ancient trade routes spanning from the Arabian Sea/Red Sea to Indonesia.

Israel is almost the size of Riyadh and even when the Arabs have been at the weakest in history, 20% of Israel's population remains Arab, 2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews and if besieged Gaza and West Bank is included, Arabs are the majority, and that against a nuclear armed Israel that has been bankrolled by the US and Western powers since its inception. Great "dominance".

Using your logic, why does Pakistan not conquer Kashmir? Gang up and attack those spineless Dravidians who have never created a single empire outside of their own entity in recorded history. They are not controlling the superpower of the world (USA) as the Jews are apparently.

Indian population outnumbers Pakistanis by 7:1 and even their landmass is 7 times greater than ours. Both countries possess nuclear weapons and yet we are able to thwart, respond and even launch offensives against such an enemy where all the odds are against us (3 unstable border regions, India, Afghanistan, and Iran).

Look, no one is questioning the capabilities of Arabs but we do sincerely feel bad for our Palesntians brothers who are even about to lose their last hope (Gaza). Considering the fact that the region is full of neighboring Arab states and yet this is the condition of the Palestinians. Don't you think that does reflect the current state of affairs among the Muslim states?

 

[Aasimkhan]

The details are there in the link that I posted. Posting them here.

The Kingdom of Israel occupied that part of the land on the Mediterranean Sea known as the Levant which corresponds roughly to the State of Israel of modern times. The region was known, historically, as part of Canaan, as Phoenicia, as Palestine, Yehud Medinata, Judea and, after the Romans destroyed the region in 136 CE, as Syria-Palaestina.

The kingdom split in two following the death of King Solomon (r.c. 965-931 BCE) with the Kingdom of Israel to the north and Judah to the south. In 722 BCE the northern kingdom was destroyed by the Assyrians and the population deported as per Assyrian military policy (resulting in the so-called Lost Ten Tribes of Israel). Judah was destroyed by the Babylonians in 598-582 BCE and the most influential citizens of the region taken to Babylon.

The Persians, following their conquest of the Babylonian Empire, returned the Israelites to their homeland in 538 BCE and held the region as part of their empire until it fell to Alexander the Great (l.356-323 BCE). Following Alexander’s death, the region was held by Ptolemy I and then the Seleucid Empire until c. 168 BCE when the Israelites revolted under the leadership of the Maccabees who established the Hasmonaean Dynasty. The region was taken by Rome in 63 BCE and the people’s resentment against foreign occupation resulted in periods of more or less unrest until the Bar Kochba Revolt of 132-136 CE in which the Jews were defeated, Jerusalem destroyed, and the area renamed Syria-Palaestina by the Roman emperor Hadrian.

https://www.ancient.eu/israel/





Yeah. You can only fight weak Indians and will run away as soon as you hear the name Israel.

So much for your Ummah concept that you keep screaming all the time.

You have nukes but cannot protect your muslim brothers. Pathetic.

if we can kick 1.3 billion indians, 50 lak israelis are no match, but we would like to sort you out first because you are smelly neighbours

 

[Lincoln]

I was only responding to a Pakistan member who was spewing venom against the Arabs.

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You report, you don't change topics. His comments are correct anyways. Israel is a threat to Arab countries. They occupied Syrian Golan Heights, and have been conducting air strikes in Arab territory, as well as selling software and equipment to rogue nations in the Arab world to spy on Arab politicians and leaders. There's no venom, only truth.

And before you say it. History centuries back has no relevance in borders today.

 

[Aasimkhan]

If you carefully observe the below maps, you will notice a part of Jordan and Golan heights were part of the ancient map.

If you want to use ancient maps then whole India belongs to Muslims

 

[Philosopher]

Unfortunately the thread has been taken off track. Can we stay on topic please.

 

[MayaBazar]

You report, you don't change topics. His comments are correct anyways. Israel is a threat to Arab countries. They occupied Syrian Golan Heights, and have been conducting air strikes in Arab territory, as well as selling software and equipment to rogue nations in the Arab world to spy on Arab politicians and leaders. There's no venom, only truth.

Isn't it strange and hypocritical that Pakistan is unwilling to fight Israel being a nuclear power but Pakistanis are calling Arabs all kinds of names and insinuating that they are not fighting Israel?

 

[Lincoln]

Isn't it strange and hypocritical that Pakistan is unwilling to fight Israel being a nuclear power but Pakistanis are calling Arabs all kinds of names and insinuating that they are not fighting Israel?

Once again, you're bringing in Pakistan when it is not relevant. I don't get your obsession with us. Please stop orbiting around us.

This is an Arab conflict.

 

[MayaBazar]

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If you want to use ancient maps then whole India belongs to Muslims

I am fine with Pakistan merging with India.

Let's get back the glory days of Mughal empire

 

[Mithridates]

at least he raises his voice against it.

 

[925boy]

So it took this cuckold 2 decades to understand Israel does not want peace but expansion lol

thats why they took their life frustrations out on Iran, under the guise of "sectarianism". They have no achievements worthy of presenting to their populations. The western lifestyle has brought tons of Haram, and health issues..

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Would it lead to seriously arming Palestinian groups?

a country like yours that is under the US and NATO umbrella should already know the answer to this. stop playing dumb.

 

[The SC]

The details are there in the link that I posted. Posting them here.

The Kingdom of Israel occupied that part of the land on the Mediterranean Sea known as the Levant which corresponds roughly to the State of Israel of modern times. The region was known, historically, as part of Canaan, as Phoenicia, as Palestine, Yehud Medinata, Judea and, after the Romans destroyed the region in 136 CE, as Syria-Palaestina.

The kingdom split in two following the death of King Solomon (r.c. 965-931 BCE) with the Kingdom of Israel to the north and Judah to the south. In 722 BCE the northern kingdom was destroyed by the Assyrians and the population deported as per Assyrian military policy (resulting in the so-called Lost Ten Tribes of Israel). Judah was destroyed by the Babylonians in 598-582 BCE and the most influential citizens of the region taken to Babylon.

The Persians, following their conquest of the Babylonian Empire, returned the Israelites to their homeland in 538 BCE and held the region as part of their empire until it fell to Alexander the Great (l.356-323 BCE). Following Alexander’s death, the region was held by Ptolemy I and then the Seleucid Empire until c. 168 BCE when the Israelites revolted under the leadership of the Maccabees who established the Hasmonaean Dynasty. The region was taken by Rome in 63 BCE and the people’s resentment against foreign occupation resulted in periods of more or less unrest until the Bar Kochba Revolt of 132-136 CE in which the Jews were defeated, Jerusalem destroyed, and the area renamed Syria-Palaestina by the Roman emperor Hadrian.

https://www.ancient.eu/israel/

Petra

Inhabited since prehistoric times, this Nabataean caravan-city, situated between the Red Sea and the Dead Sea, was an important crossroads between Arabia, Egypt and Syria-Phoenicia. Petra is half-built, half-carved into the rock, and is surrounded by mountains riddled with passages and gorges. It is one of the world's most famous archaeological sites, where ancient Eastern traditions blend with Hellenistic architecture.

https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/326/

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Nothing he can do about it. Unless he threatened to stop buying military hardware from the US.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Dont expect too much from this ''massive'' puppet.

So he is a puppet because he did not gain power in Jordan after arriving home from France on an Air France plane? Because he does not engage in pointless and frankly pathetic "death to America and death to Israel" screaming games while never attacking Israel directly even once? Because his dynasty and country, unlike Iran, fought several wars against Israel and killed more Israeli soldiers and civilians (in the 1000's) that Iran can dream about?
Or is it because he is wise and pragmatic enough to understand that Jordan as of today is no match militarily with nuclear-armed and 100% Western (USA) supported Israel?

PDF logic.

Usually, these massive conflicts end with Israel getting more land.

The last time a massive war/conflict erupted (1973), Arabs (Egypt) regained an occupied territory (Sinai) larger than Israel and Palestine combined. However no wonder that the foster child of the US/West (Israel) in the region would/is militarily superior to a small number of besieged Palestinians who don't even have an army to boost of. Nothing to brag about, really.

The real message here is the underlying concerns the Jordanians appear to have now. Perhaps they fear Israelis may start to focus on their lands next.

Israel has no territorial claims on Jordan and in case of such a thing occurring in an alternative universe, Israeli Jews (2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews) would be even further heavily outnumbered compared to the Palestinian Arabs, Israeli Arabs and Jordanian Arabs. Nor is such a scenario remotely realistic.

It is an artificial creation of Sykes-Picot, anyway, intended to reward a bunch of princelings with no tangible power other than the support of the British. However much it is politically correct to wring one's hands about Saudi Arabia, at least that leadership won their right to rule.

It is time that these bubble kingdoms were swept away.

ALL as is ALL nation states are artificial creations of mankind with artificial man-made borders. Yet I find such a comment from a PDF Think Thank (speaks volume about the level on PDF) rather tragicomical given that Jordan is almost 30 years older than India which is a British creation made in the year 1947. An entity that was never united even once in history prior to 1947 and before the Brits conquered South Asia and incorporated those 500 + something princely/quasi-states under the British imperial banner.

Unlike India, Jordan is a rather homogenous country as well. With an older recorded history than India moreover and a country/region of the world that is part of the cradle of civilization (Arab Near East) and which is a part of two ancient historical regions in Arabia and Sham (Levant).

The capital Amman is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on the planet. Jordan has one of the highest concentrations of impressive ancient artifacts dating to various native Semitic civilizations (Arabs being one of them), Nabatean (An Arab people native to Hijaz) Petra being known as one of the wonders of the world, and several impressive Roman and Greek historical sites.

Those "bunch of princelings" belong to the world's oldest ruling dynasty that can trace it ancestry back directly in a direct male line to Prophet Ibrahim (as) almost 5000 years ago. A genuine Hashemite lineage as well with a 700 + year long rule in Hijaz with tons of branches ruling for over 1 millennia on 3 continents (Asia, Africa and Europe).

Those "princelings" have a far greater/more impressive/older/more respected pedigree than any former dynasty in South Asia and most of the world for that matter. In terms of age, I can only think of the Japanese imperial family although they are a far younger dynasty.

Also what in the good world has KSA to do with this thread which is about Jordan and Israel? And why is KSA's leadership any worse than say the current Indian one, the American one, the Russian one, the Iranian one, the Turkish one and I could go on? However yes, KSA was never a Western colony or a colony of foreigners for that matter and the House of Saud dynasty is a local dynasty that unified modern-day KSA through conquest.

Wasn't Jordan part of ancient Israel?

In what world was that? Do you think that ancient Israel (1 Semitic entity out of numerous in the region) is even REMOTELY close to being the oldest entity in the region? We are talking about a region of the world (Arab world) that has the oldest attested history on the planet. Did you know that Herod the Great (one of the greatest kings of ancient Israel) was half Nabatean and that his father was a Aromean Semite? Both Nabateans and Aromeans originated from Hijaz and were non-Israelite Semitic people.

So it took this cuckold 2 decades to understand Israel does not want peace but expansion lol

Are you mentally challenged? Do you think that King Abdullah II of all people is clueless about the region and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict given his family history? You do realize that he is married to a Jordanian-Palestinian women and that his successor will be half Palestinian?

Also the King has been speaking out of suicidal Israeli policies (annexation) for 2 decades. You being clueless about Arab politics/sleeping for years, is not his problem.

Lol the Freemason hashimate puppet who is more British than Arab


That son of the British speaks English better than Arabic and call him self a descendant from the prophet Muhammad

What are you blabbering about Salman F?

Freemason?

He speaks Arabic fluently with a slight accent when speaking fus7a due to his upbringing and education abroad. Him being half English (mother) is irrelevant, monarchs/rulers in the region have been marrying with foreigners/other dynasties for millennia. In Arab culture descent is inherited from the father as is the surname, tribal/clan affiliation etc. Using that logic less than 5% of the Ottoman rulers were Turks but a bunch of Circassians, Ukrainians, Georigans and what not. His children are a quarter British and 75% Arab. Rest of his siblings (brothers) are 100% Arab.

It would be very stupid of Jordan to get into a conflict with Israhell. We have no clue in what land the zionists want to annex after the rest of Palestine (xGaza) is taken. I am guessing Gaza is going to be kept as the concentration camp for the Palestinians. It goes along with the jewish idea that the Palestinians are Philistines to genocide. If Jordan attacks Israhell in any way militarily, regime change for Jordan, annexation of Jordanian by Israhell could be next.

Jordanians are living on "jewish land".

You do realize that this map was drawn by some 3 year old kid? It has zero historical accuracy and is as likely as me banning all idiots on PDF.

From experience, artificial creations tend to have short expiry dates. In the time-scale of history, I find it hard to foresee a destiny other than transientness for countries whose borders were apparently influenced by the "hiccup" of the likes of Churchill.


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[SIZE=3]"A map of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan']Jordan[/URL] with Saudi Arabia to the south-east; the large triangle of land in [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia']Saudi Arabia[/URL] that points towards the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea']Dead Sea[/URL] is apocryphally known as "Winston's Hiccup".[/SIZE]

It is said when drawing the above Saudi Jordan borders, Churchill developed a hiccup which which led to a tugging-pulling of his hand leading to the discontinuation in the above map. This is the extend of the artificialness we are dealing with here.

But in the end, throughout all these map drawings, wars, king-makings, usurping etc, it is only the ostensibly "powerless" everyday people that suffer, perish and get left out of memory. So yes, I have no doubt these created countries will eventually disappear, but the sad truth is, what replaces them is usually a different form of the same thing.

Complete and utter nonsense post (a myth) as proven in this link below:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan–Saudi_Arabia_border[/URL]

The border is the result of land exchanges between KSA and Jordan in the 1950's and 1960's (as described in the link) and the result of the Hashemites conquering/liberating that region of the Arab world (modern-day Jordan) over 100 years ago and the result of House of Saud conquests of the Emirate of Hail.

That the Brits had established the mandate of Iraq, British Palestine etc. is not the fault of KSA or Jordan.

Using that logic, ALL, as in ALL of Iran's borders are similarly artificial creations which I can clearly demonstrate by this map alone.

[IMG]https://kyleorton1991.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/iran-territory-losses.jpg?w=625&h=540[/IMG]

[QUOTE="HttpError, post: 12342859, member: 154907"]Indian population outnumbers Pakistanis by 7:1 and even their landmass is 7 times greater than ours. Both countries possess nuclear weapons and yet we are able to thwart, respond and even launch offensives against such an enemy where all the odds are against us (3 unstable border regions, India, Afghanistan, and Iran).

Look, no one is questioning the capabilities of Arabs but we do sincerely feel bad for our Palesntians brothers who are even about to lose their last hope (Gaza). Considering the fact that the region is full of neighboring Arab states and yet this is the condition of the Palestinians. Don't you think that does reflect the current state of affairs among the Muslim states?[/QUOTE]

Both India and Pakistan were given independence from the UK in 1947 and both were left to their own with the West looking the other way when what is modern-day Pakistan (East Pakistan excluded today) and India emerged shortly afterwards. The same West looked the other way when both developed nuclear bombs, something that Arab states next to Europe such as Iraq, Libya, Egypt and others were prevented to do by force even though the same West (in theory) could invade both and in a worst case scenario nuke both.

Numbers mean nothing here. Israel is a totally different animal by virtue of being a foster child of the US/West. It is a Western implant in the region to prevent the rise of the Arab world again, an age old rival/enemy/occupier of Europe. The Arab world and Europe have had civilizational ties for millennia for good and bad. Since the emergence of Islam the dynamic changed and rest is history.

Do you think that USA/West would look silently at Israel being harmed or their existence threatened? Who do you think created their nuclear weapons program and allowed it to emerge in the first place while combating that of its Arab neighbors in the most harsh way possible?

It is not comparable.

As for the last part of your comment, I agree and I don't dispute that.

You are expecting Logic from a Persian or wanna Westerner , Good luck bro ..

Replying to all the nonsense in this thread. PDF turning into some Arab-obsessed echo chamber full of historical lies, nonsense etc. is not something new, sadly. Some moderators are apparently working on changing this but it seems that they are not successful so far. There is a reason why 99.99% of all Arab users have left PDF long ago and why the level of PDF and reputation (sadly) has gone down the drain each year. As well as tons of old quality users leaving. Anyway I don't take this forum seriously but after being busy for 2 + weeks, I logged in to see what was going on and was met with the usual nonsense so I thought that I made as well make some quick replies to counter the nonsense. As you know, I used to deal with this nonsense single-handedly but I can't spend 24/7 hours countering nonsense on some Pakistani forum online, lol. Nobody should.

 

[Aasimkhan]

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King Abdullah II bin al-Hussein (Arabic: عبدالله الثاني بن الحسين) (born 30 January 1962; age 58) is the king of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. An acknowledged fan of Star Trek, King Abdullah (then a prince) appeared as an uncredited extra in the Star Trek: Voyager second season episode "Investigations". Voyager executive producer Jeri Taylor commented, "Take away the title and the trappings, and at the core you have a Star Trek fan." (Star Trek Monthly issue 16)

 

[Salmanov]

So he is a puppet because he did not gain power in Jordan after arriving home from France on an Air France plane? Because he does not engage in pointless and frankly pathetic "death to America and death to Israel" screaming games while never attacking Israel directly even once? Because his dynasty and country, unlike Iran, fought several wars against Israel and killed more Israeli soldiers and civilians (in the 1000's) that Iran can dream about?
Or is it because he is wise and pragmatic enough to understand that Jordan as of today is no match militarily with nuclear-armed and 100% Western (USA) supported Israel?

PDF logic.



The last time a massive war/conflict erupted (1973), Arabs (Egypt) regained an occupied territory (Sinai) larger than Israel and Palestine combined. However no wonder that the foster child of the US/West (Israel) in the region would/is militarily superior to a small number of besieged Palestinians who don't even have an army to boost of. Nothing to brag about, really.



Israel has no territorial claims on Jordan and in case of such a thing occurring in an alternative universe, Israeli Jews (2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews) would be even further heavily outnumbered compared to the Palestinian Arabs, Israeli Arabs and Jordanian Arabs. Nor is such a scenario remotely realistic.



ALL as is ALL nation states are artificial creations of mankind with artificial man-made borders. Yet I find such a comment from a PDF Think Thank (speaks volume about the level on PDF) rather tragicomical given that Jordan is almost 30 years older than India which is a British creation made in the year 1947. An entity that was never united even once in history prior to 1947 and before the Brits conquered South Asia and incorporated those 500 + something princely/quasi-states under the British imperial banner.

Unlike India, Jordan is a rather homogenous country as well. With an older recorded history than India moreover and a country/region of the world that is part of the cradle of civilization (Arab Near East) and which is a part of two ancient historical regions in Arabia and Sham (Levant).

The capital Amman is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities on the planet. Jordan has one of the highest concentrations of impressive ancient artifacts dating to various native Semitic civilizations (Arabs being one of them), Nabatean (An Arab people native to Hijaz) Petra being known as one of the wonders of the world, and several impressive Roman and Greek historical sites.

Those "bunch of princelings" belong to the world's oldest ruling dynasty that can trace it ancestry back directly in a direct male line to Prophet Ibrahim (as) almost 5000 years ago. A genuine Hashemite lineage as well with a 700 + year long rule in Hijaz with tons of branches ruling for over 1 millennia on 3 continents (Asia, Africa and Europe).

Those "princelings" have a far greater/more impressive/older/more respected pedigree than any former dynasty in South Asia and most of the world for that matter. In terms of age, I can only think of the Japanese imperial family although they are a far younger dynasty.

Also what in the good world has KSA to do with this thread which is about Jordan and Israel? And why is KSA's leadership any worse than say the current Indian one, the American one, the Russian one, the Iranian one, the Turkish one and I could go on? However yes, KSA was never a Western colony or a colony of foreigners for that matter and the House of Saud dynasty is a local dynasty that unified modern-day KSA through conquest.



In what world was that? Do you think that ancient Israel (1 Semitic entity out of numerous in the region) is even REMOTELY close to being the oldest entity in the region? We are talking about a region of the world (Arab world) that has the oldest attested history on the planet. Did you know that Herod the Great (one of the greatest kings of ancient Israel) was half Nabatean and that his father was a Aromean Semite? Both Nabateans and Aromeans originated from Hijaz and were non-Israelite Semitic people.



Are you mentally challenged? Do you think that King Abdullah II of all people is clueless about the region and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict given his family history? You do realize that he is married to a Jordanian-Palestinian women and that his successor will be half Palestinian?

Also the King has been speaking out of suicidal Israeli policies (annexation) for 2 decades. You being clueless about Arab politics/sleeping for years, is not his problem.



What are you blabbering about Salman F?

Freemason?

He speaks Arabic fluently with a slight accent when speaking fus7a due to his upbringing and education abroad. Him being half English (mother) is irrelevant, monarchs/rulers in the region have been marrying with foreigners/other dynasties for millennia. In Arab culture descent is inherited from the father as is the surname, tribal/clan affiliation etc. Using that logic less than 5% of the Ottoman rulers were Turks but a bunch of Circassians, Ukrainians, Georigans and what not. His children are a quarter British and 75% Arab. Rest of his siblings (brothers) are 100% Arab.



You do realize that this map was drawn by some 3 year old kid? It has zero historical accuracy and is as likely as me banning all idiots on PDF.



Complete and utter nonsense post (a myth) as proven in this link below:

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan–Saudi_Arabia_border[/URL]

The border is the result of land exchanges between KSA and Jordan in the 1950's and 1960's (as described in the link) and the result of the Hashemites conquering/liberating that region of the Arab world (modern-day Jordan) over 100 years ago and the result of House of Saud conquests of the Emirate of Hail.

That the Brits had established the mandate of Iraq, British Palestine etc. is not the fault of KSA or Jordan.

Using that logic, ALL, as in ALL of Iran's borders are similarly artificial creations which I can clearly demonstrate by this map alone.

[IMG]https://kyleorton1991.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/iran-territory-losses.jpg?w=625&h=540[/IMG]



Both India and Pakistan were given independence from the UK in 1947 and both were left to their own with the West looking the other way when what is modern-day Pakistan (East Pakistan excluded today) and India emerged shortly afterwards. The same West looked the other way when both developed nuclear bombs, something that Arab states next to Europe such as Iraq, Libya, Egypt and others were prevented to do by force even though the same West (in theory) could invade both and in a worst case scenario nuke both.

Numbers mean nothing here. Israel is a totally different animal by virtue of being a foster child of the US/West. It is a Western implant in the region to prevent the rise of the Arab world again, an age old rival/enemy/occupier of Europe. The Arab world and Europe have had civilizational ties for millennia for good and bad. Since the emergence of Islam the dynamic changed and rest is history.

Do you think that USA/West would look silently at Israel being harmed or their existence threatened? Who do you think created their nuclear weapons program and allowed it to emerge in the first place while combating that of its Arab neighbors in the most harsh way possible?

It is not comparable.

As for the last part of your comment, I agree and I don't dispute that.



Replying to all the nonsense in this thread. PDF turning into some Arab-obsessed echo chamber full of historical lies, nonsense etc. is not something new, sadly. Some moderators are apparently working on changing this but it seems that they are not successful so far. There is reason why 99.99% of all Arab users have left PDF long ago and why the level of PDF and reputation (sadly) has gone down the drain each year.