'Kill Ahmadis' leaflets found in UK mosque

[Sky lord]

Its like portraying your self as Christian and announcing to everyone that real Christians believe in 500 gods and ect..

There are Chrisitans with "unusual" beliefs. The Mormons are polygamous, the Jehovas witness does not believe in medical care , creationists believe that human beings and dinosaurs lived in the same time period, I could go on. in the past there was a lot of killing between different sects of Christianity..but this is the 21st century.

I can understand that there will be support from some sections of society against Ahmedis, but I have to say I am a little disappointed that people like yourself, liberal, modern, educated don't take their complaints more seriously.

Anyways this is not my fight, so I will leave the thread.

Good day.

 

[Mitro]

Thats What comes out from your mouth.

Bullshit.

They do that because they have disease in their heart they what number so their master will be pleased and reward them .

Muslims acknowledge them as a different religion - but they refuse to say that; that is why there is so much tension between Muslims and Ahmedis.

Lets say a non-Muslim is trying to learn about Islam and goes to a 'Mosque' - Ahmedis will give them their beliefs and portray it as basic Muslim belief. This causes alot of confusion.

From when they become Victim. they are the trouble maker they are telling the muslim that they dont know what quran says and now they are going to explain us the ayat and prove they fake prophet .

Why?

Why does it make a difference to you what they think?


Why should they do that? Why should the victims make the accommodation?

 

[Solomon2]

Right now Ahmedis are mostly gaining their converts in the Americas; such as Mexico and South America.

In the U.S. the Ahmadis are free to call themselves Muslims. After 9/11 it was Ahmadi Muslims who took the lead in reassuring Americans that not all Muslims believed as the 9/11 terrorists did. It was the Ahmadis who were willing to expose themselves to what many feared would be a surge of anti-Muslim hatred. That it didn't happen was perhaps in part due to their efforts. And yet majority Pakistanis spurn them...

 

[Pakistani E]

I hope you don't mind my asking, but are there conversions out of Ahmediyya into Sunni sects? If so, is it in large numbers?

There are always conversions from both sides. There are a lot of people in Pakistan who's forefathers were Ahmadis but their next generations are Sunni. Not sure about exact numbers though.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

There are Chrisitans with "unusual" beliefs. The Mormons are polygamous, the Jehovas witness does not believe in medical care , creationists believe that human beings and dinosaurs lived in the same time period, I could go on. in the past there was a lot of killing between different sects of Christianity..but this is the 21st century.

I can understand that there will be support from some sections of society against Ahmedis, but I have to say I am a little disappointed that people like yourself, liberal, modern, educated don't take their complaints more seriously.

Anyways this is not my fight, so I will leave the thread.

Good day.

I understand what your saying, but they solidly separate themselves from mainstream Christianity and identify them selves apart of that sect.

In the U.S. the Ahmadis are free to call themselves Muslims. After 9/11 it was Ahmadi Muslims who took the lead in reassuring Americans that not all Muslims believed as the 9/11 terrorists did. It was the Ahmadis who were willing to expose themselves to what many feared would be a surge of anti-Muslim hatred. That it didn't happen was perhaps in part due to their efforts. And yet majority Pakistanis spurn them...

Sources please?

Almost all Muslims in America are non-sectarian and dont believe in sects except for Ahmedis - trust me; I live in the US.

 

[violin]

why is there so much hatred in a religious center as a mosque? what is the root cause of this bigotry?

Religion. The root cause of all bigotry.

There could still be some soul searching to find out if there exists some root cause for such acts. I mean, this is at the back of some serious extremist ideologies taking root in EU. I would understand if this happens in some deeply untouched areas like tribal lands etc. But if this happens in well to do places then its not "lack of opportunities" or "lack of education" but something else.

Root cause: Religion.

 

[pak-marine]

After France Belgium rising terror in Europe England must open its eyes and should start an operation clean up in it, it's time to send hard right winger molvies to ther countries.

Airdrop in Calipha baghdadis land let them have little taste of the sharia they wish for ..

 

[Mitro]

 

[pak-marine]

Saudi TV Host Nadine Al-Budair Takes to Task Apologists Who Claim Terrorists Have Nothing to Do with Islam and the Muslims:

she cant be a saudi TV host !?

We have no problem with them - the conflict stems from the fact that they dont view themselves as Ahmedis but simply as Muslims .

you, your kind or NO molvie on this planet have the authority to STOP them from beleiving what they are

 

[Solomon2]

Sources please?

Almost all Muslims in America are non-sectarian and dont believe in sects except for Ahmedis - trust me; I live in the US.

U.S. newspaper opinion columns written after 9/11. (There were probably TV appearances as well but I only have memory for that...)

she cant be a saudi TV host !?

She's Saudi. Usually writes from Kuwait but yes, this is Rotana Khalijiya TV in KSA.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Lool. Nothing surprising there.
Our liberal European leaders haven't seen anything yet. let them wait 2-3 decades from now and see how things plays out in Europe. So till then they should keep turning a blind eye to Islamic extremism here. TIME will tell.

 

[Jackdaws]

the ahmedis should be allowed to worship in their temples in the uk,

if they wish to proclaim themselves new prophets of their ahmedi religion like the shop keeper did then that is their own issue

They need to proclaim their ahmedism in their temples more vocally and notify all community's of their beliefs so their is no confusion

Except they call their place of worship "mosques", not temples.

 

[Vapnope]

I have observed mostly on social media whenever there is a discussion on persecution of Ahmadis, some people hijack the discussion and start debating whether they are muslims or not. It seems that somehow people approve of the persecution because they think Ahmadis should stop claiming to be muslims. It shouldn't be like that IMO.

I have observed mostly on social media whenever there is a discussion on persecution of Ahmadis, some people hijack the discussion and start debating whether they are muslims or not. It seems that somehow people approve of the persecution because they think Ahmadis should stop claiming to be muslims. It shouldn't be like that IMO.

 

[Solomon2]

...I have observed mostly on social media whenever there is a discussion on persecution of Ahmadis, some people hijack the discussion and start debating whether they are muslims or not. It seems that somehow people approve of the persecution because they think Ahmadis should stop claiming to be muslims. It shouldn't be like that IMO.

I think this will be the case until Pakistan legally permits apostasy again.

 

[Solomon2]

There are always conversions from both sides. There are a lot of people in Pakistan who's forefathers were Ahmadis but their next generations are Sunni. Not sure about exact numbers though.

Doesn't a Pakistani who converts to Ahami forfeit property and inheritance rights?