Khabar TV :ISIS threatens to demolish the Holy Kaaba if they conquer Mecca.

[al-Hasani]

Contradictions, empty claims and no sources. Why am I not surprised?

That's why Shia's have never won any theological debate with their Sunni Muslim counterparts anywhere in the world.

As I said you have your own unique interpretations of Islamic history that 90% of the Islamic community (mainstream Islam) do not recognize. Nor the vast majority of Islamic historians of any age.

 

[raptor22]

It was obvious from beginning that calling this terrorists as sunni is an insult to our sunni brothers ... destroying Kabba? shame on them ... they are true descendents of Yazi who destroyed Kabba

The Hanbali fiqh is one of the 4 recognized madahib in Sunni Islam. Come again.

Did you know that 4 Imams of Sunni schools of fiqh Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hambali were directly or indirectly students of Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (AS)?

What is stupid? Actually following Islamic tradition? Can you tell me where the Qur'an states anything about shrine worship?

Holly Quran 18:21
And similarly, We caused them to be found that they [who found them] would know that the promise of Allah is truth and that of the Hour there is no doubt. [That was] when they disputed among themselves about their affair and [then] said, "Construct over them a structure. Their Lord is most knowing about them." Said those who prevailed in the matter, "We will surely take [for ourselves] over them a masjid."

And no one worship shrines, it's called Kofr.

Which historical area? There are still plenty of historical areas in Makkah let alone the surroundings. None of those have any Islamic relevancy. What you see in those two cities (Karbala and Mashhad) are not the original buildings. It's fairly new. Don't let the gold fool you.

The area around Al-Masjid Al-Haram is located on hills. Most of it was basically a few shrines and old houses. That in this time and age would be considered too dangerous to live in. There were never any palaces next to Al-Masjid Al-Haram due to geography.

Yes, a non-Arab is going to tell me about my own history. As I said the Qarmatians never managed to destroy anything fully.

But you did and it shows where Isis' Ideology comes from: Al-Baqi Cemetery before and after destructoin by you:

ISIS comes from the entire world. The biggest group now are Chechens. The majority of the leadership are Iraqis though. They don't represent anyone. Besides you have people from the entire world. Non-Arabs make up about 50% now if not more. The organization is full of Chechens, Afghans and others. Azeris are present too.

90% of all locals do not support them either. Whether in Syria or Iraq.

What is happening to you, yesterday they were Sunni fighters to liberate Iraq and Syria and now they are foreigners ?

 

[al-Hasani]

It was obvious from beginning that calling this terrorists as sunni is an insult to our sunni brothers ... destroying Kabba? shame on them ... they are true descendents of Yazi who destroyed Kabba



Did you know that 4 Imams of Sunni schools of fiqh Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hambali were directly or indirectly students of Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (AS)?



Holly Quran 18:21
And similarly, We caused them to be found that they [who found them] would know that the promise of Allah is truth and that of the Hour there is no doubt. [That was] when they disputed among themselves about their affair and [then] said, "Construct over them a structure. Their Lord is most knowing about them." Said those who prevailed in the matter, "We will surely take [for ourselves] over them a masjid."

And no one worship shrines, it's called Kofr.




But you did and it shows where Isis' Ideology comes from: Al-Baqi Cemetery before and after destructoin by you:

What is happening to you, yesterday they were Sunni fighters to liberate Iraq and Syria and now they are foreigners ?

"Sunni brothers" yet the regime that you support oppresses Sunni Muslims of all ethnicities and the reason why you are a Shia today was because of the Turkic Safavids and their forced conversions and massacres on Sunni Persians that formed the majority of Iran's population. Not only massacres in Iran but Iraq and Azerbaijan too.

Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Did you know that all Islamic teachings are connected with a chain? Can you tell me from where Ja'far Al-Sidiq (ra) got his knowledge?

That is no proof of any shrines.

That's exactly what many Shias engage in. Don't force me to post plenty of videos.

I am actually indifferent to structures. Especially extremely extravagant shrines/graves as those seen in Karbala, Najaf and elsewhere.

What should I do at those shrines? Hajj/Umrah is not intended for that.

Really? Can you find such a claim or are you just inventing things here? I never supported ISIS. You cannot find 1 single quote of mine of that being the case.

You are welcome to do so though but you won't succeed.

 

[rmi5]

Ravaged. He never destroyed the Ka'aba entirely which was the point. Many Shia sources are not do be trusted as they tend to be fiercely anti-Umayyad. Many lies have been written after the Umayyad Caliphate and its ending. All due to a game of power.

Did he split Hajar Al Aswad to 4 parts or not? why do you continue your taqqiya? it is very simple, everyone who has seen Hajar Al Aswad pictures, knows if it has happened or not.
did he fired Al-haram mosques or not?
did he rape quraish women there or not?
did he use catapult or not?
...
if these are not destroying, what is the meaning of destroying? did you expect him to use nukes as well, or it would not be enough either?

 

[raptor22]

"Sunni brothers" yet the regime that you support oppresses Sunni Muslims of all ethnicities and the reason why you are a Shia today was because of the Turkic Safavids and their forced conversions and massacres on Sunni Persians that formed the majority of Iran's population. Not only massacres in Iran but Iraq and Azerbaijan too.

Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

May I ask you a question? do you believe in this Hadis:

: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم
.مَنْ مات وليس في عنقه بيعة مات ميتة جاهلية
Or
.من مات ولم يعرف إمام زمانه مات ميتة جاهلية​

Did you know that all Islamic teachings are connected with a chain? Can you tell me from where Ja'far Al-Sidiq (ra) got his knowledge?

From his fathers .... who are the household of prophet of Islam pbuh ...

1.
God says in Quran : 33:33

And abide in your houses and do not display yourselves as [was] the display of the former times of ignorance. And establish prayer and give zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity [of sin], O people of the [Prophet's] household, and to purify you with [extensive] purification.
​

I will tell you who are considered as the houshold of prophet pbuh .....
but my question is : are Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hambali imams enjoy such a thing?

That is no proof of any shrines.

What is wrong with shrins?

That's exactly what many Shias engage in. Don't force me to post plenty of videos.

I am actually indifferent to structures. Especially extremely extravagant shrines/graves as those seen in Karbala, Najaf and elsewhere.



What should I do at those shrines? Hajj/Umrah is not intended for that.

Hadith al-Thaqalayn:
The prophet of Isalm pbuh"

"Indeed, I am leaving among you, that which if you hold fast to them, you shall not be misguided after me. One of then is greater than the other: (First is) The book of Allah is a rope extended from the sky to the earth, and (the second is) my family, the people of my house (ahlul bait), and they shall not split until they meet me at the hawd, so look at how you deal with them after me." (Sahih).

The holly Quran 3-61:
Then whoever argues with you about it after [this] knowledge has come to you - say, "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then supplicate earnestly [together] and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liars [among us]."

1. "Our sons": Hasan and Husayn, the grandsons of Muhammad, sons of 'Ali and Fatima. Because at the time of occurrence of the Mubahala Muhammad had no children besides Fatima, let alone a son; Hasan and Husayn are included in "sons/children" because children of one's daughter are regarded as one's own children too.[14]
2. "Our women": Fatima, daughter of Muhammad and Khadija, wife of 'Ali and mother of Hasan and Husayn. "Women" could have meant wives but the Prophet viewed Fatima as the most superior female Muslim and brought her instead.
3. "Ourselves": Muhammad and Ali ibn Abi Talib
4. "The self" or "The soul": Ali, the son-in-law and cousin of Muhammad

So they are ahlul bait ... and as Prophet weighted them they are equal to Quran and we need keep our conections with them .

The point is imam Ali is considered by God as Nafs of prophet ....
where are abu bak and ommar ?

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[al-Hasani]

Did he split Hajar Al Aswad to 4 parts or not? why do you continue your taqqiya? it is very simple, everyone who has seen Hajar Al Aswad pictures, knows if it has happened or not.
did he fired Al-haram mosques or not?
did he rape quraish women there or not?
did he use catapult or not?
...
if these are not destroying, what is the meaning of destroying? did you expect him to use nukes as well, or it would not be enough either?

Why don't you show us some sources for those claims? Non-Shia sources.

What has this to do with your initial false claim of the Ka'aba being destroyed?!

What did you expect during a siege of a town in those days anyway if we assume those claims to have been undisputed historical facts?

 

[rmi5]

Why don't you show us some sources for those claims? Non-Shia sources.

What has this to do with your initial false claim of the Ka'aba being destroyed?!

What did you expect during a siege of a town in those days anyway if we assume those claims to have been undisputed historical facts?

Again, you want to blindly rationalize what they did. That's your choice, but it means the end of discussion.

 

[al-Hasani]

Again, you want to blindly rationalize what they did. That's your choice, but it means the end of discussion.

I just want to see the supposed historical sources who claim that such events took place and who wrote all that because I can't find such descriptions in my sources.

Anyway what have events that took place over 1300 years ago during a siege of a town to do with ISIS or your talk about the Saudi Arabian government?

Also Taqiyya is something Shia's use frequently. Not Sunni Muslims. It's not allowed in Sunni Islam.

The reality is that Shia sources have many funny/absurd stories that only their sources can confirm and sources which 90% of the Muslim world do not recognize. Especially from those early Caliphates because of their opposition to them and its key persons. Be it Caliphs, generals, scholars of that time etc.

 

[Informant]

Aaah another thread of assholes bickering who's *** smells less. hahahahah

 

[al-Hasani]

@raptor22

You ignored half of my post.

Why are you talking about your Imamate? We know that this forms your core belief. Sorry to burst your bobble (don't got the time for a long theological debate) but 90% of all the world's Muslims do not recognize them as divine or all the other attributes that you give them. Including Muhammad al-Mahdi (ra) that you claim is hiding in some basement in Samarra.

All that goes against the basic teachings of Islam.

Yes, and from where else? You guessed right. Prophet Muhammad (saws), his earliest household, Sahabah, the Salaf, earlier Prophets etc. All are revered in Sunni Islam. While that does not seem to be the case when it comes to Twelver Shia Islam.

Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra) a God? What are you talking about?

There is no mention of any shrines.

There are no examples from Prophet Muhammad's (saws) time or that of the Salaf or other Imams about any shrines or their importance.

In any case this has nothing to do with the topic. I just broke my iftar, I am watching Algeria-Germany and tired at the same time and not in the mood for any long theological discussion.

If you can find me one passage in the Noble Qur'ab or the Sunnah of the Prophet (saws) that mentions anything about the benefit of building shrines and praying in them/to them then you are right. Otherwise you have no basis to claim what you claim.

 

[SSG_Commando]

They wont do that. Thanks to Oil rich Arabs (idiots) they have unleashed a monster which they created with Yankeez and Europeans. Now it is time to taste your own medicine.

 

[al-Hasani]

They wont do that. Thanks to Oil rich Arabs (idiots) they have unleashed a monster which they created with Yankeez and Europeans. Now it is time to taste your own medicine.

Well, clowns like you can always have sweet daydreams and delusions I guess. The holy land is well and safe. Why don't you show your flags?

@WebMaster

Time to close this nonsense thread.

Thanks.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Don't close we didnt see the good bits yet it gets much better after this

 

[Jihad_]

Hoax topic.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

ultimately Kaaba does gets destroyed but not this soon.