Khabar TV :ISIS threatens to demolish the Holy Kaaba if they conquer Mecca.

[illusion8]

It doesn't make sense from what I can see. But this is going to get picked up by the media let's see if they try to justify it. To me it seems like this whole group has the leadership of ex Saddam men who are trying to get back in power. Religion wasn't too important to them anyway

That's just a tiny fraction of a way to look at them.

 

[al-Hasani]

Don't worry man. Hajjaj ibn yusuf, almost destroyed Kaaba and nothing happened. Qarmatians did also the same thing, and did not anything happen either. If they do the same thing again, nothing strange would happen, man. don't worry

When did Al-Hajjaj ibn Yusuf (ra) destroy the Ka'aba or Makkah for that matter? The Qarmatians never really succeeded. They just ravaged Makkah until they were defeated by the Abbasids and later more or less exterminated.

 

[Bilal.]

Don't worry man. Hajjaj ibn yusuf, almost destroyed Kaaba and nothing happened. Qarmatians did also the same thing, and did not anything happen either. If they do the same thing again, nothing strange would happen, man. don't worry

Maybe but rest assured a few nukes will fly in their direction.

 

[rmi5]

There is nothing called "Wahhabi" to begin with. Nor is ISIS "Wahhabi's". They are Jihadists who are nearly entirely followers of Qutbism.


Qutbism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab Al-Tamimi was a Sunni Muslim of the Hanbali fiqh. Nothing of his teachings went against Islam. He just empathized tawhid. The core principle of Islam. After certain communities in Najd (his native region) started an absurd mixture of ancestor worship and Islam. Nothing that you see done by those extremists can be found in any of Abdul-Wahhab's writings. I challenge anyone to show me otherwise as nobody has succeeded doing so yet.

That's a big lie. Wahabi has a clear definition. Wahabi means Hanbali followers of Ibn Taymiyah, and Abdul Wahab. The stupidity of their beliefs is so obvious. If you want to do taqqiya, or ... it won't fool me

Monuments never played a role in Islam. Shrines that were worshipped have rightly been removed. No need for them. There are no examples from the time of Prophet Muhamamd (saws) of any shrine worship.

That's a stupid idea.

The expansion of Al-Masjid al-Haram is a necessity. It should not really come as a surprise. The number of pilgrims for umrah and hajj are constantly growing and will grow with millions for each decade.

Please don't write nonsense.

That's not a strange. every historical and religious monument has a growing number of visitors, but, non of them would destroy the surronding valuable monuments. Just consider Karbala, or Mashhad which has 25 million pilgrim per year, or the world heritage Shah Square in Isfahan, with millions of visits per year(more than 5 million person per year), and you see that non of them destroyed the surrounding historical/religious area when they expanded it. Instead, they preserved it and incorporated it into the monument.

Also nobody has touched the Ka'a'ba nor will any group do that. Let alone ISIS.

@Arabian Legend @JUBA @Full Moon @Yzd Khalifa

Check this lunatic/troll thread out.

Your history grade=0
just check Hajjaj ibn yusuf, and Qarmatians, and you would find out what they did to Kaaba and Hajar al Aswad.

 

[That Guy]

Don't worry man. Hajjaj ibn yusuf, almost destroyed Kaaba and nothing happened. Qarmatians did also the same thing, and did not anything happen either. If they do the same thing again, nothing strange would happen, man. don't worry

I'm not worried, I'm merely pointing out ISIS's mentality.

 

[rmi5]

Maybe but rest assured a few nukes will fly in their direction.

That is another bluff. BTW, What's their direction? ISIS, and other retarded jihadists are mostly local arab people. So, you want to nuke arabs after they demolished kaaba?!!!

 

[Bilal.]

That is another bluff. BTW, What's their direction? ISIS, and other retarded jihadists are mostly local arab people. So, you want to nuke arabs after they demolished kaaba?!!!

No, not a bluff. Before they get close to threatening distance of Kaaba they will be obliterated. Unilaterally if it be.

 

[al-Hasani]

That's a big lie. Wahabi has a clear definition. Wahabi means Hanbali followers of Ibn Taymiyah. The stupidity of their beliefs is so obvious. If you want to do taqqiya, or ... it won't fool me

That's a stupid idea.

That's not a strange. every historical and religious monument has a growing number of visitors, but, non of them would destroy the surronding valuable monuments. Just consider Karbala, or Mashhad which has 25 million pilgrim per year, or the world heritage Shah Square in Isfahan, with millions of visits per year(more than 5 million person per year), and you see that non of them destroyed the surrounding historical/religious area when they expanded it. Instead, they preserved it and incorporated it into the monument.


Your history grade=0
just check Hajjaj ibn yusuf, and Qarmatians, and you would find out what they did to Kaaba and Hajar al Aswad.

The Hanbali fiqh is one of the 4 recognized madahib in Sunni Islam. Come again.

What is stupid? Actually following Islamic tradition? Can you tell me where the Qur'an states anything about shrine worship?

Which historical area? There are still plenty of historical areas in Makkah let alone the surroundings. None of those have any Islamic relevancy. What you see in those two cities (Karbala and Mashhad) are not the original buildings. It's fairly new. Don't let the gold fool you.

The area around Al-Masjid Al-Haram is located on hills. Most of it was basically a few shrines and old houses. That in this time and age would be considered too dangerous to live in. There were never any palaces next to Al-Masjid Al-Haram due to geography.

Yes, a non-Arab is going to tell me about my own history. As I said the Qarmatians never managed to destroy anything fully.

That is another bluff. BTW, What's their direction? ISIS, and other retarded jihadists are mostly local arab people. So, you want to nuke arabs after they demolished kaaba?!!!

ISIS comes from the entire world. The biggest group now are Chechens. The majority of the leadership are Iraqis though. They don't represent anyone. Besides you have people from the entire world. Non-Arabs make up about 50% now if not more. The organization is full of Chechens, Afghans and others. Azeris are present too.

90% of all locals do not support them either. Whether in Syria or Iraq.

 

[Targon]

Interesting, lets see if its indestructible and protected by holy powers

 

[mandrom]

Interesting, lets see if its indestructible and protected by holy powers

qarmatians did damage it...

 

[Bilal.]

Interesting, lets see if its indestructible and protected by holy powers

It's not indestructible and it will be destroyed when the time comes. Not yet.

 

[BDforever]

no report from mainstream media

 

[rmi5]

Hanbali is one of the 4 recognized madahib in Sunni Islam. Come again.

Again, I know wahabi mentality and their teachings very well. You cannot fool me.

What is stupid? Actually following Islamic tradition? Can you tell me where the Qur'an states anything about shrine worship?

How come having a shrine or respecting it, means worshiping it? That's stupid ...

Which historical area? There are still plenty of historical areas in Makkah let alone the surroundings. None of those have any Islamic relevancy. What you see in those two cities (Karbala and Mashhad) are not the original buildings. It's fairly new. Don't let the gold fool you.

You are the one who should be worried to preserve your Islamic heritage, not me Anyway, In contrast to what every countries do in these cases, which is incorporating the important surrounding monuments into the expansion program, you just used a bulldozer.

The area around Al-Masjid Al-Haram is located on hills. Most of it was basically a few shrines and old houses. That in this time and age would be considered too dangerous to live in. There were never any palaces next to Al-Masjid Al-Haram due to geography.

Yes, a non-Arab is going to tell me about my own history. As I said the Qarmatians never managed to destroy anything fully.

Some hints about Hajjaj ibn yusuf:
Did not he use Catapult? did not he fire the Masjid al-Haram? Did not he split Hajar Al Aswad? Did not he rape Quraish women in the surrounding area? ...
About Qarmatians:
consider what they did to Hajar Al Aswad ...

ISIS comes from the entire world. The biggest group now are Chechens. The majority of the leadership are Iraqis though. They don't represent all Arabs. Besides you have people from the entire world. Non-Arabs make up about 50% now if not more. The organization is full of Chechens, Afghans and others. Azeris are present too.

What is the source for 50%? ISIS are mostly local Iraqis and Syrians. Caucasians are only some of their commanders and trainers

 

[al-Hasani]

Again, I know wahabi mentality and their teachings very well. You cannot fool me.

How come having a shrine or respecting it, means worshiping it? That's stupid ...

You are the one who should be worried to preserve your Islamic heritage, not me Anyway, In contrast to what every countries do in these cases, which is incorporating the important surrounding monuments into the expansion program, you just used a bulldozer.

Some hints about Hajjaj ibn yusuf:
Did not he use Catapult? did not he fire the Masjid al-Haram? Did not he split Hajar Al Aswad? Did not he rape Quraish women in the surrounding area? ...
About Qarmatians:
consider what they did to Hajar Al Aswad ...


What is the source for 50%? ISIS are mostly local Iraqis and Syrians. Caucasians are only some of their commanders and trainers

The fact remains that people cannot pinpoint anything in the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab Al-Tamimi that are against Islam or the Hanbali fiqh. Yet they attribute events that are taking place 300 years after his birth to people who are first of all modern-day Jihadist's and who follow Qutbism and that political sects (in fact that's what it is) world view.

Anyway I follow the Shafi'i fiqh so I don't really care but this ignorance is pretty annoying. I suggest you read about Jihadism and Qutbism. They are one and the same most of the time.

Let us just call Sunni Muslims who adhere to the Hanbali fiqh as so-called "Wahhabis" then it is really baffling that those same people (who make up about 40% of Saudi Arabia's population) are not behaving like those Jihadists across the world. Why their clerics are not following that "party line".

Important sourrunding monuments? For who? This does not prevent Muslims from coming to Makkah. In fact more Muslims are coming than ever yearly and many more will come in the future. Besides those few monuments were not original monuments. In 200 years time the current monuments (if they will exist) will be considered heritage and this process will go on. The monuments you speak about were confined to a few small shrines. That are recorded in photos and in history. Maybe you consider this a loss but I don't.

There are nearly 100 World UNESCO Heritage Sites and hundreds of other heritage sites in the Arab world. I think the removal of a few shrines for necessary expansions is something that we as Arabs and Muslims will survive.

Yes, but what I said (which you even wrote yourself in the beginning) is not the same as destroying the Ka'aba. That never happened. They partially ravaged Makkah as I said.

Actually you should ask some of the Iraqi members here or read Iraqi news reports or Arab ones. They confirm it. Chechens are the biggest single group of people. If you watch their propaganda videos you will realize that dozens do not utter a word of Arabic. That there are plenty of Africans, South Asians, Caucasians etc.

@1000

 

[livingdead]

No, not a bluff. Before they get close to threatening distance of Kaaba they will be obliterated. Unilaterally if it be.

and who will nuke them?