Kerry- Lugar Bill : Seperating Myth from Fact

[alirulesall123]

WASHINGTON: US Senator John Kerry, one of the co-authors of the Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act, has issued a list of 'myths and facts' about the proposed legislation also known as the Kerry-Lugar bill.

This is how he explained the bill:

Myth: The $7.5 billion authorised by the bill comes with strings attached for the people of Pakistan.

Fact: There are no conditions on Pakistan attached to these funds. There are, however, strict measures of financial accountability on these funds that Congress is imposing on the US executive branch — not the Pakistani government, to make sure the money is being spent properly and for the purposes intended.

Such accountability measures have been welcomed by Pakistani commentators to ensure that funds meant for schools, roads and clinics actually reach the Pakistani people and are not wasted.

Myth: The bill impinges on Pakistan’s sovereignty.

Fact: Nothing in the bill threatens Pakistani sovereignty.

Myth: The bill places onerous conditions on US military aid to Pakistan that interfere in Pakistan’s internal affairs and imply that Pakistan supports terrorism and nuclear proliferation.

Fact: The conditions on military aid reinforce the stated policy of the government of Pakistan, major Pakistani opposition parties, and the Pakistani military and are the basis of bilateral cooperation between the United States and Pakistan.

Myth: The bill requires US oversight on promotions and other internal operations of the Pakistani military.

Fact: There is absolutely no such requirement or desire.

Myth: The bill expands the Predator programme of drone attacks on targets within Pakistan.

Fact: There is absolutely nothing in the bill related to drones.

Myth: The bill funds activities within Pakistan by private US security firms, such as Dyncorp and Blackwater/Xe.

Fact: The bill does not include any language on private US security firms. The issue of how private security firms operate in Pakistan has nothing to do with this bill. The laws governing such firms —which are employed by many US embassies and consulates throughout the world — are not affected by this bill in any way.

Myth: The bill aims for an expanded US military footprint in Pakistan.

Fact: The bill does not provide a single dollar for US military operations. All of the money authorised in this bill is for non-military, civilian purposes.

Myth: The United States is expanding its physical footprint in Pakistan, using the bill as a justification for why the US Embassy in Islamabad needs more space and security.

Fact: As the US Embassy in Islamabad works diligently over the next five years to properly distribute the $7.5 billion to the people of Pakistan, it will need to take into account its own personnel and security needs to make sure it has the right staff with the right expertise on hand. This is common sense.

I still can't believe the stupidity surrounding the hysteria of this bill. The last time America gave money to us, it was through a NON-DEMOCRATIC government, with no strings attached, and everyone complained about how the money didn't go to the people. Now that the USA wants to monitor the aid, we're bitching about sovereignty? Give me a ******* break. Pakitsan faces suicide attacks everyday, and most people have no access to clean water. Why can't we focus on those things? Even Dr. AQ Khan was talking about how the bill "besmirched" Pakistan. I mean really, coming from the guy that sold nuclear secrets to rogue nations around the world, and sent Pakistan's reputation straight down the drain? Come on people, grow up please.

 

[alirulesall123]

Any thoughts?

 

[Student]

WASHINGTON: US Senator John Kerry, one of the co-authors of the Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act, has issued a list of 'myths and facts' about the proposed legislation also known as the Kerry-Lugar bill.

John Kerry can take this bill where sun does not shine

This is how he explained the bill:

This is how this bill is sold to stooge MR Z and his cronies

Myth: The $7.5 billion authorised by the bill comes with strings attached for the people of Pakistan.

Fact: There are no conditions on Pakistan attached to these funds. There are, however, strict measures of financial accountability on these funds that Congress is imposing on the US executive branch — not the Pakistani government, to make sure the money is being spent properly and for the purposes intended.

This bill is a formal declaration of making Richard Butcher the official Viceroy of Pakistan

Such accountability measures have been welcomed by so called Pakistani commentators to ensure that funds meant for schools, roads and clinics actually reach Mr Z and building mini pentagon and are not wasted.

Myth: The bill impinges on Pakistan’s sovereignty.

Fact: Nothing in the bill threatens Pakistani sovereignty.

Every Statement in this bill is a disgrace.

Myth: The bill places onerous conditions on US military aid to Pakistan that interfere in Pakistan’s internal affairs and imply that Pakistan supports terrorism and nuclear proliferation.

Fact: The conditions on military aid reinforce the stated policy of the government of Pakistan, major Pakistani opposition parties, and the Pakistani military and are the basis of bilateral cooperation between the United States and Pakistan.

This so called bill is Mr Z specific and ensures another Husni Mubarak for Pakistan

Myth: The bill requires US oversight on promotions and other internal operations of the Pakistani military.

Fact: There is absolutely no such requirement or desire.

This is what we call libral fascist propoganda.

Myth: The bill expands the Predator programme of drone attacks on targets within Pakistan.

Fact: There is absolutely nothing in the bill related to drones.

The attacks are taking place on daily basis. Stop telling lies. just google drones

Myth: The bill funds activities within Pakistan by private US security firms, such as Dyncorp and Blackwater/Xe.

Fact: The bill does not include any language on private US security firms. The issue of how private security firms operate in Pakistan has nothing to do with this bill. The laws governing such firms —which are employed by many US embassies and consulates throughout the world — are not affected by this bill in any way.

XE has already established itself in Pakistan and Mr Rehman Malik got there guys released several times and they gave a beatup to the security official after getting scot free due to Rehman Maliks interference

Myth: The bill aims for an expanded US military footprint in Pakistan.

Fact: The bill does not provide a single dollar for US military operations. All of the money authorised in this bill is for non-military, civilian purposes.

This bill is directly going to finance building mini pentagon in Pakistan.

Myth: The United States is expanding its physical footprint in Pakistan, using the bill as a justification for why the US Embassy in Islamabad needs more space and security.

Fact: As the US Embassy in Islamabad works diligently over the next five years to properly distribute the $7.5 billion to the people of Pakistan, it will need to take into account its own personnel and security needs to make sure it has the right staff with the right expertise on hand. This is common sense.

This bill will distribute plenty of money to the most rich team beggers and stooges of the world Mr Z and Company

I still can't believe the stupidity surrounding the hysteria of this bill. The last time America gave money to us, it was through a NON-DEMOCRATIC government, with no strings attached, and everyone complained about how the money didn't go to the people. Now that the USA wants to monitor the aid, we're bitching about sovereignty? Give me a ******* break. Pakitsan faces suicide attacks everyday, and most people have no access to clean water. Why can't we focus on those things? Even Dr. AQ Khan was talking about how the bill "besmirched" Pakistan. I mean really, coming from the guy that sold nuclear secrets to rogue nations around the world, and sent Pakistan's reputation straight down the drain? Come on people, grow up please.

Libral Fascist lies from a person who has no stake in Pakistan and playing the propoganda war machine war game.

Kerry Lugar Bill is not acceptable to the people of Pakistan.

 

[SSGPA1]

Any thoughts?

Yeh sure. Read the bill yourself instead of copying and pasting from Dawn.

This is the US POV, build your own POV.

 

[Developereo]

Here are a couple more myths and facts about the bill:

Myth: US is deploying aliens in flying saucers to Islamabad.
Fact: There is nothing in the bill about flying saucers.

Myth: Every Pakistani adult will have to sing the US national anthem
Fact: The bill does not mention the US national anthem.

Point: Anyone can put up strawmen arguments to knock them down easily. The article completely ignores the main issues in the bill which have caused outrage in Pakistan.

 

[SSGPA1]

Point: Anyone can put up strawmen arguments to knock them down easily. The article completely ignores the main issues in the bill which have caused outrage in Pakistan.

I couldn't have said any better. Issue is that if we accept the T&Cs in this bill then we are basically saying that we were involved in such activities in the past.

Secondly it also allows US govt. the discretion on selecting which of our actions are against the signed document.

 

[Awesome]

Any thoughts?

Problem is they are declaring "Pakistan must now cease terrorist activities against India...", what does that mean? Are we acknowledging we did do terrorist activities?

They are also saying they'll conduct a review on this every 6 months. So there would be a review on us conducting terrorist activities every 6 months and we'd be in a threat of being declared a terrorist state?

We don't need that kind of drama. They need our help in the war, and this should be termed as payment or incentive, not as aid.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Problem is they are declaring "Pakistan must now cease terrorist activities against India...", what does that mean? Are we acknowledging we did do terrorist activities?

USA is run by lobbies