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IN Pakistan, reading into the transfers and promotions of our generals has become essential to understanding the subtle shifts in the military-political relationship.

Routine administrative issues like the grant of an extension in the service of the ISI chief becomes headline news.

This preoccupation reflects the central role the army has come to occupy in Pakistan. As the major political player, it is no surprise that changes in the higher echelon of the military should attract fascination and scrutiny
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One reason the army is the single-most powerful institution in the country is the high threat level it perceives from India, and skilfully exploits domestically. In a thoughtful article on foreign policy, Munir Ataullah writes in a national daily:

“And the common experience of mankind tells us there is a wide gulf between the mindset of an army and that of a political leader. Normally, a country’s foreign policy is firmly rooted in its domestic political compulsions. We seem to have got it the other way round: our foreign policy has been the convenient excuse for seizing and maintaining control of the levers of power, and driving domestic policy.”

He goes on to say: “Only those who live in their own mad ideological world now believe that India is still not reconciled to the existential fact that is Pakistan.”

Apart from using this perceived threat from India to justify the enormous burden the defence forces have placed on a poor country’s resources, our generals have exploited divisions among our politicians to grab and retain power. But that’s the nature of the beast: a power vacuum is filled by any force organised enough to exploit it.

The ongoing wrangling between the ruling PPP and Nawaz Sharif’s PML is a case in point. When this elected government was formed two years ago, our hopes for stability were raised by the coalition forged between the two major rivals for power. Asif Zardari and Sharif showed considerable statesmanship by seeming to overcome their differences and join hands.

Unfortunately, Zardari was unable to rise above his level, and committed a number of blunders in a bid to consolidate his grip on power. In doing so, he alienated the powerful chief justice, Nawaz Sharif and the army chief, Gen Kayani. To alienate so many power centres simultaneously takes talent. Now he stumbles from one self-created crisis to another, spending more time on apologies and damage control than he does on formulating policy, and providing leadership. As a result, his government looks increasingly like a rudderless ship.

When there are cracks in a wall, all manner of creepy-crawly things slither in. In our case, the fissure that has opened up between the government and the PML-N is wide enough for tanks to pass through. Now, the army chief feels emboldened enough to make political pronouncements with impunity.

It appears that last year’s furore over the Kerry-Lugar Act was largely orchestrated by the military’s point men and women in the media, and yet the government was unable to make its case. Now that the money is in the pipeline, our ghairat brigade is silent. But the damage to the government has been done.Having written against the army’s devastating role in Pakistan’s politics for much of my adult life, I remain convinced that no other institution has inflicted as much damage. However, we need to separate the army’s political role from the military one for which it was created. Despite the fact that these roles overlap, we should remain aware that in our current predicament, the army is playing an indispensable part in confronting a ruthless foe at a huge cost in lives lost.

It is easy to argue that the Taliban monster we face is a creation of the army in the first place. However, assigning blame will not make our enemies go away: they have to be fought until they lay down their arms or are eliminated. And obviously, the army is the only institution to take them on. In this context, we should recognise how difficult the battle is, and how heroically our officers and jawans are fighting.

If one were to judge from the chat shows on our TV channels, we would never know that the country was at war: most of the discussions are about constitutional amendments, corruption and the appointments in the judiciary. While foreign journalists follow the progress their troops are making and the hardships they are undergoing, we are perpetually fixated on mundane, much-dissected issues like the NRO, Zardari’s alleged foreign accounts and Nawaz Sharif’s farcical tax returns.

Fortunately, the army does not currently have any stomach for another coup, despite the encouragement it is getting from some politicians, as well as from a section of the media. In several conversations in Karachi recently, many people have speculated on how long this government will (or should) last.

To his credit, Nawaz Sharif has consistently said he will not support or accept any unconstitutional step towards regime change. His uncompromising position on the issue has silenced some of the voices calling for immediate change. Indeed, there was feverish speculation on the date by which this government would be shown the door.

Even if some would-be Bonapartes in the army wanted to stage a coup, they are aware that US laws governing aid would block the flow of further funds and military hardware. More to the point, another election at this time is almost guaranteed to produce a substantial PML-N majority.

Given Nawaz Sharif’s distrust of the military, the army is hardly likely to prefer him to a pliant Asif Zardari. From GHQ’s perspective, it is a choice between bad and worse. So even though the army high command might loathe and despise Zardari and the PPP, they fear Nawaz Sharif and a resurgent PML-N. Another factor in the army’s calculation must be that unlike the past when a pliable judiciary gave coup-makers a blank cheque, this time they will not have an easy ride in the Supreme Court.

Clearly, both major parties have a stake in the system, and in making the military subordinate to parliament. This will not happen unless both Zardari and Sharif forge an understanding on certain basic principles. While these were enshrined in the Charter of Democracy signed by Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, much has happened since then.

Despite their rivalry and differences, both Zardari and Sharif need to send out a clear signal to the army and the people of Pakistan that unconstitutional steps will be firmly opposed


Hearing the authors remarks he seems very sure that finally we are on track for a full fledge democracy and atlast there wont be any more coup's ... please share your thoughts ?
 
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what democaracy? you won't have democarcy until the same people keep coming to power!!! parties are run by families! like the bhuttos,sharifs & altaf hussain, imran khan!

no new face same people no change!! this democracy will be a farce more public money will be lotted this time TOGETHER by all!! not separately like it used to happen in the 90s
 
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The politics needs a full time revolution. Otherwise the illiterate masses will keep electing thugs for personal reasons such as ethnicity.
 
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what democaracy? you won't have democarcy until the same people keep coming to power!!! parties are run by families! like the bhuttos,sharifs & altaf hussain, imran khan!

no new face same people no change!! this democracy will be a farce more public money will be lotted this time TOGETHER by all!! not separately like it used to happen in the 90s

ya true but have we ever thought why the same faces always ?
 
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Democracy is like a mango tree. You can't just plant one and expect fruit in a week or two. It needs time to mature, at least 15 years.

You need to let democracy prevail for the time being and work on improving it. Army rule is not the answer. Army doesn't know squat about politics. They will ruin the country.
Also whatever govt does today is realized 5 years later. You cannot see the fruit bearing so quick. What pakistan is facing today is Musharraf's doing. 2 years from now you'll see what Zardari has done.

In India democracy took 30 years to establish properly. Now we can ripe the fruit. Fast economic development, hundreds of brand names, exports, IT industry, flourishing middle class are some examples.
In 20-30 years India would become a developed country.

Same can be achieved in Pakistan provided democracy prevails. Army rule will create another Iraq.

For all those who disagree, I am open to discussion.
 
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Democracy is like a mango tree. You can't just plant one and expect fruit in a week or two. It needs time to mature, at least 15 years.

You need to let democracy prevail for the time being and work on improving it. Army rule is not the answer. Army doesn't know squat about politics. They will ruin the country.
Also whatever govt does today is realized 5 years later. You cannot see the fruit bearing so quick. What pakistan is facing today is Musharraf's doing. 2 years from now you'll see what Zardari has done.

In India democracy took 30 years to establish properly. Now we can ripe the fruit. Fast economic development, hundreds of brand names, exports, IT industry, flourishing middle class are some examples.
In 20-30 years India would become a developed country.

Same can be achieved in Pakistan provided democracy prevails. Army rule will create another Iraq.

For all those who disagree, I am open to discussion.

Patience and accountability go hand in hand. Sadly, many people are willing to live 10 years in a despotic rule and start complaining within an hour of a civilian coming back.

The politics of blood lineage and acquaintance aren't just a problem created by a few individuals, it is a part of our social structure. The sardari, tribal malik, jagirdari nizam are just small monarchies. This reflects in our politics too.

Sadly, educating the masses would have helped us handle a lot of problems. But social welfare has never been at the forefront of the state's issues. Those who argue that extensive defence spending is necessary should always think of '65 and whether it was necessary and the effects that it had on our economy.

The improvement of governance and the establishment of a representative political system in Pakistan is an issue that we all are particularly passionate about. Inefficiency and mismanagement of the ruling elite over the past six decades has led to the destruction of the structure of governance and public services. People are deprived of basic social services including education, health, access to justice and civic amenities. The lack of true political representation and disconnect between public concern and public policy has lead the country to a point where it faces huge economic and security challenges.

A major problem is the widespread disillusionment among the people who have the intellectual and material resources to change the system and they have come to define themselves as apolitical.

This attitude stems from the incapability of corrupt politicians and crooked bureaucracy to govern, which has forced the people to not just hate the people in power, but the democratic process itself. Politicians and top level government officials have never shown the necessary leadership, sense of duty, responsibility, passion to serve and moral uprightness. The general cynicism is visible in the hatred for the very system of governance, the lack of faith in the ability of the government and the desperation to seek a paradise home outside the country, which is alarming for a country facing major crises.

The people have never asserted their true power and as they do not believe in their ability to alter the political landscape. The masses have allowed military dictators and feudal aristocrats to come, loot the national exchequer for decades and then dance away.

Today, we stand at a point in history, “where we have the chance to realign the national landscape and create a new governing ideology”. Faced with major crises, we require clearly visioned long term policies, not mere hypocritical and hyperbolic calls for democracy. To re-establish public trust in the government is a tall task indeed and it requires patience and support of the people and vision of the politicians; progressive politics that focuses on the welfare of the people and supports social justice.

The only way there can never be a coup again is if the people lay their trust in a group of progressive and dedicated politicians and the military teaches itself that it is not the self appointed savior of the nation. The self righteous attitude of the military has much to do with this is and indoctrinating hatred of the system of governance in the minds of young officers can hardly be good. Needless to say, we need our politicians to get mature and stand up for the right. Are we seeing the rise of a new system? Probably not but we are on the right track, maybe not the perfect but we are on the right track. Trying to derail today specially, would inflict extensive damage to the nation. Checks and balances, accountability, upright bureaucracy and a supportive public is extremely necessary today. There are a number of members on this forum who always believe that supporting democracy is like approving of corruption.

PS:- Some of this comes from an essay I wrote an year or so back.
 
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As long as we keep Treating Generals like Holy Cows having no accountability we can expect the same old story.I mean we have overestimated India's threat to our existence especially after the Nuclear Tests.I mean aren't they supposed to keep India at Bay.

On the other hand we have huge amount of Illiterate emotional masses who will vote for any one who gives them a single emotional speech.

So after long thoughtful Process i have finally came to the conclusion that we should only allow those to vote who have at least passed 12th Class.I Mean it maybe like something cruel.

But in Order to get some good and capable leadership the voter must be literate and understand what he is doing.
 
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So after long thoughtful Process i have finally came to the conclusion that we should only allow those to vote who have at least passed 12th Class.I Mean it maybe like something cruel.


We all understand but fundamental issue is implementation , To elect an educated man a person has to be educated enough ...! Whatever we say one has to be a Graduate or Intermediate it wont change a thing as we all know money can buy you almost ANY thing in Pak.
 
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Rightly said by the author that due to ongoin insurgency the army isnt capable of handling another coup ..

What happens when the war is over ? are we expecting another coup or these thug generals back in the politics ... ?
 
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Rightly said by the author that due to ongoin insurgency the army isnt capable of handling another coup ..

What happens when the war is over ? are we expecting another coup or these thug generals back in the politics ... ?

turkey has had many coups! & is currently way ahead of its neighbors in terms of economy & military!

and a general is still better than a spineless leader that thrives on divisional politics! :coffee:

no more nawaz sharif,no more altaf hussain,no more zardari,bhutto none of them!!!! no more same leaders!!!
 
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QUOTE=ice_man;726939]turkey has had many coups! & is currently way ahead of its neighbors in terms of economy & military!

lets be realistic we are in pak not turkey so lets stop comparing and confusing ourselves , the geopolitics and every thing else differs btw us and Turks, also Turks had Kamal attaturk .... we dont have / had any !? History and past performances has proven dictatorship has alwasy proved to be a complete disaster ...


and a general is still better than a spineless leader that thrives on divisional politics! :coffee:

there is no divisional politics yes may be a decade ago and even if you think that is the case than its people who vote for those politicians ... so may be pakistanis like divisional politics.

no more nawaz sharif,no more altaf hussain,no more zardari,bhutto none of them!!!! no more same leaders!!!
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Nawaz ,Altaf ,Zardari and others will vanish by time no one gives a monkey about any one of them if ... its for the coming generation of Pakistanis , if we dont want to see and experience the scenario we have now than we must support democracy...not the generals.. Also please read the article and bring up any points to disagree with !
 
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As long as we keep Treating Generals like Holy Cows having no accountability we can expect the same old story.I mean we have overestimated India's threat to our existence especially after the Nuclear Tests.I mean aren't they supposed to keep India at Bay.

On the other hand we have huge amount of Illiterate emotional masses who will vote for any one who gives them a single emotional speech.

So after long thoughtful Process i have finally came to the conclusion that we should only allow those to vote who have at least passed 12th Class.I Mean it maybe like something cruel.

But in Order to get some good and capable leadership the voter must be literate and understand what he is doing.

i would like to disagree about the allowing only literates to vote.

the literacy in pakistan is not very high. it is around 50%. that means that half the population of the country will not be represented at all.

also u need to consider who are the people who dont get access to education. these are the ones in the greatest need of representation in the policy making bodies. if you dont let them vote, who will represent them?

this will lead to great divides in the society, the literates will prosper further and the illiterates will stay downtrodden

ancient rome had a system similar to what u suggest. only the people with land and property(the rich) were allowed to vote for the "senate". guess who were all the other people who didnt get to vote? they were the slaves.
 
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dictatorship is better then pseudo-democracy

i disagree.

i had mentioned the reasons in another thread earlier. let me try doing it again

a benevolent dictatorship by a genius might be the best thing that can happen to a country. i agree on that.

however there are two perquisites to this.
1) benevolent dictatorship : i am sure the PA will be benevolent towards the people of pakistan. at first at least.
there is a very famous saying "power corrupts". a dictatorship by definition has absolute power. so what happens when this power starts corrupting the generals who are humans too? what/who will stop them when they start abusing their power? in the beginning when the power has not corrupted them, they will act in the best interests of pakistan. once power corrupts them, their decisions might not be for the best. u might remember why musharraf was kicked out of office? i might be wrong but the people were really angry with his policies which towards the end were attuned more to extend his rule.
the same will happen to any other army coup too.

2 Genius dictatorship:
this actually needs two parts. the first is that the dictator needs to have all the requisite information to make the decisions. the second is that the dictator should be able to make the correct decision free of any selfishness or bias.
a democracy by definition ensures that every part is represented and the required information is present with one person or the other in the decision making body. in fact theoretically the person in question should have all the information about his "constituency".
a dictatorship does not have any such mechanism in place.

now we come to bias. a democracy will have representatives from all types of groups with each of them having their own biases. but on the net these biases will cancel each other out. this leads in the end to a decision very close to an unbiased one.
a dictator on the other hand will make decisions alone or with the help of a very small set of select "advisers". this means that bias can very easily creep into the decisions. this can lead to bad decisions being made.


now i would like to touch upon the social effects of dictatorship.
every dictator's greatest concern is to ensure his own reign. the most efficient way to do this is to not let any other strong leader to rise, who could challenge his authority. this means that no new leaders rise in the society. this can only be disastrous for a country. so at the end of the dictatorship the country is left adrift at sea without anyone with the qualifications to take the wheel.


feel free to correct me if i am wrong
 
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