'Keep out!': China sent 6 warnings to a US Navy plane, but the US didn't back down

[AlohanAkua]

USA can fly by all they want but they still can't stop the construction and militarisation of the islands.

Congrats to america for stopping China on reclaiming their islands, oh wait construction and reclamation is still ongoing.

And some of you guys still don't own up to Imperialism? Well I guess its bad PR, I dunno, but how much does the PRC really care what others think that it still bothers to keep up the charade?

"On 12 July 2016, an arbitral tribunal constituted under Annex VII to the 1982 United Nations Convention on Law of the Sea ruled that China has no legal basis to claim "historic rights" within its nine-dash line in a case brought by the Philippines. The tribunal judged that there was no evidence that China had historically exercised exclusive control over the waters or resources within the Nine-Dash Line."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-Dash_Line

And here we have ppl saying, "We don't care, you can't stop us". What is one supposed to call this?

Aloha, brah...!!! I grew up on Paani St. Went to Ala Wai, then Kaimuki. So yeah...Am sort of a local.

Ah, I didn't even go to school in HI, that's how "local" I am, tho I had some business at UH Manoa, does that count?

Sounds like you haven't been back in a while (me neither...), so here's a couple special selections for the both of us bruddah

Spam Musubi at ABC, don't knock it till you try it!

 

[sinait]

You missed the point. No surprise there.

The point is that China will NEVER see anyone outside of China as anything other than a useful tool (fool) for China to gain political supremacy in Asia. It does not matter if you are ethnic Chinese, which you made clear of Singaporeans mostly are, China do not care of your genetic origins. Mr. Wang of PDF may not speak officially for China, but he spoke well enough the sentiments of mainland China regarding other Chinese. If a Chinese-American is not Chinese, then neither is a Singaporean-Chinese a Chinese. Get it?

How have SG been any 'threat' to China that China made demands that made YOU scared of China? The Chinese civilization influences every country and every people in Asia, but I do not see the Japanese, the Koreans, or the Viets being as subservient to China as YOU have been. And maybe my 'old man' eyes are failing looking at the map, those three countries are closer to China than SG is.

Personally, no Chinese-Americans I know care what mainland Chinese thinks of their origins. They considers themselves Chinese AND American. That duality do not bother them. Unlike you, they are loyal to their country of citizenship, which is the US, while you are eager to have SG submissive to China just because so many Singaporeans have Chinese ancestry, which China do not give a shit anyway.

I am not a 'wannabee American'. I am an American. For you to say that I am a 'wannabee American' reveals how little you know of the US and much of the racial prejudices that are within YOU. No wonder China considers you to be a useful tool (fool).

Aloha, brah...!!! I grew up on Paani St. Went to Ala Wai, then Kaimuki. So yeah...Am sort of a local.

Wannabee American, don't spout nonsense that I want SG to be submissive to China.
Its very disappointing that a so called "PROFESSIONAL" stoop to such low TROLLING.
China is the motherland of the parents of many ethnic Chinese in Singapore, therefore it is no surprise they are happy for a strong and prosperous China.

Our famous former Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew said the following.
https://lkyonrace.wordpress.com/
I have said openly that if we were 100 per cent Chinese, we would do better. But we are not and never will be, so we live with what we have.

Singapore is NOT submissive to China, but have extensive cultural and blood ties with China.
Our quarrels with China are more like family squabbles, will blow over in a blink.
That big mouthed anti-China Malay, Minister Bilahari Kausikan, largely responsible for friction between Singapore and China has been kicked out.
Close relations with China will continue.

More on Chinese from Lee Kuan Yew.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...-for-trade-mother-tongue-to-preserve-identity
If we have only English and we allowed the other languages(Chinese) to atrophy and vanish, we face a very serious problem of identity and culture.

How do I know this? Because I learnt Chinese late in life, and I rediscovered snatches of what I heard when my parents, my grandparents spoke: "Ah! yes, that was what they meant." It resonates, pulled at my heartstrings. Would I want to see it lost? Absolutely not!...

This is one reason why Singapore will never forsake China.
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[gambit]

Wannabee American, don't spout nonsense that I want SG to be submissive to China.
Its very disappointing that a so called "PROFESSIONAL" stoop to such low TROLLING.
China is the motherland of the parents of many ethnic Chinese in Singapore, therefore it is no surprise they are happy for a strong and prosperous China.

If you helped China gained political and military supremacy in Asia, your submission will be enforced upon you. By then it will be too late.

Our famous former Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew said the following.
https://lkyonrace.wordpress.com/
I have said openly that if we were 100 per cent Chinese, we would do better. But we are not and never will be, so we live with what we have.

Then why are you cheering for China if even the father of your country admitted the futility of that ethnic tie?

Singapore is NOT submissive to China, but have extensive cultural and blood ties with China.
Our quarrels with China are more like family squabbles, will blow over in a blink.

Wrong. There is no 'family' tie here. Viet Nam have at least as much, if not more, genetic, ethnic, and cultural ties to China as Singapore does. But did you see China gave VN any breaks on that? Cue the border war. It was a pretty bloody family spat, son.

You can cheer for China on this forum all you want but it will do you no good. China Chinese will never see you as any more than a useful tool (fool).

If a Chinese-American is not Chinese, then neither is a Singaporean-Chinese no matter how much you beg for that recognition. The sad part for you, and other Singaporean on this forum who cheers for China, is that I am more American than you will ever be Chinese. It is YOU who are the real 'wannabe'.

 

[sinait]

If you helped China gained political and military supremacy in Asia, your submission will be enforced upon you. By then it will be too late.


Then why are you cheering for China if even the father of your country admitted the futility of that ethnic tie?


Wrong. There is no 'family' tie here. Viet Nam have at least as much, if not more, genetic, ethnic, and cultural ties to China as Singapore does. But did you see China gave VN any breaks on that? Cue the border war. It was a pretty bloody family spat, son.

You can cheer for China on this forum all you want but it will do you no good. China Chinese will never see you as any more than a useful tool (fool).

If a Chinese-American is not Chinese, then neither is a Singaporean-Chinese no matter how much you beg for that recognition. The sad part for you, and other Singaporean on this forum who cheers for China, is that I am more American than you will ever be Chinese. It is YOU who are the real 'wannabe'.

I wonder how a person of your intellect is designated a "Professional".
You call yourself American, but I cannot be Singaporean, what an idiotic logic.
What "futility of that ethnic tie" ?
On the contrary, we thrive on our ethnic ties with China, with most Singaporeans being bilingual with English and Chinese.

Of course we are Singaporean, and NOT China Chinese.
Singapore have helped China from WW2 through to its present rise.
We will wait and see if China will forget these close and beneficial ties.
Can you get that simple message into your thick head.

https://singaporeheroes.weebly.com/lim-bo-seng.html
Singapore Heroes
Lim Bo Seng was born in China, in the Fujian Province, on 27 April 1909. He was a loyal Chinese patriot who took part in fund-raising to raise funds to help China in the war against Japan in 1937.

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/hub/business-china-special/spore-is-chinas-largest-investor
Singapore is China's largest investor
It pumped US$5.8 billion into over 700 projects last year, and market opportunities are still growing. At the same time, Singapore is China's largest investment destination in Asia.

I Cheer for China, too bad you cannot sleep over it.
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[Verve]

And here we have ppl saying, "We don't care, you can't stop us". What is one supposed to call this?

You have vetoed every single UN resolution against Israel for the atrocities. And here you are quoting some court. Hypocrisy!

These are Islands, not humans ... China is not killing people as you, your partners and master (Israel) are.

 

[rott]

If you helped China gained political and military supremacy in Asia, your submission will be enforced upon you. By then it will be too late.


Then why are you cheering for China if even the father of your country admitted the futility of that ethnic tie?


Wrong. There is no 'family' tie here. Viet Nam have at least as much, if not more, genetic, ethnic, and cultural ties to China as Singapore does. But did you see China gave VN any breaks on that? Cue the border war. It was a pretty bloody family spat, son.

You can cheer for China on this forum all you want but it will do you no good. China Chinese will never see you as any more than a useful tool (fool).

If a Chinese-American is not Chinese, then neither is a Singaporean-Chinese no matter how much you beg for that recognition. The sad part for you, and other Singaporean on this forum who cheers for China, is that I am more American than you will ever be Chinese. It is YOU who are the real 'wannabe'.

You sounded like you were crying when you typed this post.
I just felt it to be funny.

 

[Mista]

That big mouthed anti-China Malay, Minister Bilahari Kausikan, largely responsible for friction between Singapore and China has been kicked out.

Nope. He was an ex-diplomat, never a minister before.

The one who got kicked out was another ex-diplomat, Kishore Mahbubani, who advocated for a submissive foreign policy and got rebutted by a current minister.

In July 2017, Kausikan publicly criticised an opinion-editorial by Dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy Kishore Mahbubani for advocating "subordination as a norm of Singapore foreign policy". His criticism was echoed by Minister of Law and Home Affairs K Shanmugam and fellow Ambassador-at-Large Ong Keng Yong.

On 6 November 2017, Mahbubani announced that he would retire from the position as Dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School at the end of 2017.

And why the heck would China care about the opinion of an ex-diplomat, someone who does not hold any real power, and sour the relationship between 2 countries? Have you even read the Chinese nationalistic paper, the Global Times? China decided to 'punish' Singapore because it was the PM, Lee Hsien Loong who advocated for the international rule of law, which China thinks it's against their interest on the SCS issue.

But in the end, he stood firm and continued to talk about and explain Singapore's position and the international rule of law in the national day rally. We did not change our position.

40:57

Must I have to emphasis that LHL is an ethnic Chinese?
It's convenient for you to put the blame on your fellow countrymen of another race for the tensions between Singapore and China. The reason why you emphasis that Kausikan is of another race is to show that Singaporean Chinese sides with China on the SCS issue, and have different positions from other races. But it really isn't. The PM who is an ethnic Chinese have different position from China on the SCS issue because he's representing Singapore, not ethnic Chinese.

 

[sinait]

Nope. He was an ex-diplomat, never a minister before.

The one who got kicked out was another ex-diplomat, Kishore Mahbubani, who advocated for a submissive foreign policy and got rebutted by a current minister.

And why the heck would China care about the opinion of an ex-diplomat, someone who does not hold any real power, and sour the relationship between 2 countries? Have you even read the Chinese nationalistic paper, the Global Times? China decided to 'punish' Singapore because it was the PM, Lee Hsien Loong who advocated for the international rule of law, which China thinks it's against their interest on the SCS issue.

But in the end, he stood firm and continued to talk about and explain Singapore's position and the international rule of law in the national day rally. We did not change our position.

40:57

Must I have to emphasis that LHL is an ethnic Chinese?
It's convenient for you to put the blame on your fellow countrymen of another race for the tensions between Singapore and China. The reason why you emphasis that Kausikan is of another race is to show that Singaporean Chinese sides with China on the SCS issue, and have different positions from other races. But it isn't really. The PM who is an ethnic Chinese have different position from China on the SCS issue because he's representing Singapore, not ethnic Chinese.

Don't ascribe what you think to become what I said AGAIN.
Where did I ever say International rule of law is NOT IMPORTANT.
So according to you, China did not follow USA's international rule of law.
You go and tell China that and go suck more of your daddy USA dick.
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[Mista]

Don't ascribe what you think to become what I said AGAIN.
Where did I ever say International rule of law is NOT IMPORTANT.
So according to you, China did not follow USA's international rule of law.
You go and tell China that and go suck more of your daddy USA dick.
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No?

ASEAN were very lucky ancient China came to live in peace with them and only claimed uninhabited islands on the way to these lands instead of enslaving them and annexed their lands.

China's claims are legitimate

Yes, China is claiming all the islands because it was bigger, stronger

What International rules are you talking about?

Why did you have emphasis that Kausikan is a non-Chinese when it's irrelevant in this context?

 

[sinait]

No?

Why did you have emphasis that Kausikan is a non-Chinese when it's irrelevant in this context?

It is relevant as far as I am concerned.
You are taking my quotes out of context.
Anyway I am not here to debate with fellow Singaporeans.
I never rebut your STUPID VIEWS here even though I disagreed.
Maybe our younger generation don't know what it is to be united despite differences when facing foreign adversaries.
You should have gone to Indonesia during the racial riots, and reasoned with them.
Fortunately you are not born during our racial riots, they need you to teach them international rule of law.

This is my last reply to you, it hurts me much that you waste time here against your own people.
I am here for leisure, nothing serious, not to hear your naive logic.
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[gambit]

You call yourself American, but I cannot be Singaporean, what an idiotic logic.

Never said you cannot be Singaporean. I said you can never be Chinese.

"If a Chinese-American is not Chinese, then neither is a Singaporean-Chinese no matter how much you beg for that recognition. "

I will rephrase that for you since you have a reading comprehension problem.

If a Chinese-American is not Chinese, then neither can a Singaporean-Chinese be a Chinese no matter how much you beg for that recognition.

Clear?

On the contrary, we thrive on our ethnic ties with China,...

Why? Especially when the Chinese on this forum already revealed many times over the yrs that I have been here that only mainland Chinese are 'real' Chinese. In essence, your celebration of your Chinese ethnic ties is meaningless to mainland Chinese. You 'thrive' for nothing. Do you really think that China will weep if Singaporeans do not care of that ethnic tie? No, mainland Chinese will just shrug their shoulders and go on with their lives. Whatever ethnic ties Singaporeans have with historical China is -- meaningless.

What is wrong with creating a distinct and unique Singaporean cultural identity? Many people have done it throughout history. Why are Singaporeans so psychologically weak that they have to emotionally rely on China for their identity?

We will wait and see if China will forget these close and beneficial ties.
Can you get that simple message into your thick head.

How is it 'beneficial' to Singapore? Does China cut SG better trade deals just because so many Singaporeans are ethnic Chinese? I highly doubt that.

Spam Musubi at ABC, don't knock it till you try it!

I grew up on SPAM. I can remember McDonald's have saimin and chili over rice, a couple items mainland MD do not have. Then there is Patti's Chinese Kitchen in Ala Moana Shopping Center. That place was always packed. I heard that location is closed now.

 

[Mista]

Maybe our younger generation don't know what it is to be united despite differences when facing foreign adversaries.

And emphasizing and categorizing your fellow countrymen based on race and therefore blaming tensions on non-Chinese Singaporeans, whether it's factual or not, is called 'united despite differences when facing foreign adversaries'? Which 'foreign adversary' are you pointing to?

You should have gone to Indonesia during the racial riots, and reasoned with them.
Fortunately you are not born during our racial riots, they need you to teach them international rule of law.

Developing countries often do not follow the international rule of law because even domestically they have problems on the rule of law, whether it's on setting up a business, court procedure, corruption, currying favors, rules and regulations on safety etc. It's the rule of man which developing countries often practice; whoever's more powerful can ignore or override the rules of the system they are in. Like the Chinese in the bottom half of the society often lament, 弱肉强食丛林法则的社会.

They simply do not have the tradition for respecting the spirit of the rule of law. And the spirit of the rule of law is total for a mature society. You can't respect the domestic of rule of law while flouting international rule of law without pushbacks from the thinking part of the society.

And it will take some time for developing countries to cultivate a spirit for the rule of law even if they have achieved material abundance, because societal progress will always lag behind economic progress. For China, they have only enjoyed economic prosperity in recent times and it will take time for their society to mature. Those above the age of 50 like top CPC officials grew up in a turmoil China after all, and 丛林法则 is the basic mindset in those times.

I'm not so naive to think that tiny Singapore can change China or Indonesia. Change can only come from within their own society.

Nevertheless we should still strive for the rule of law because it matters to our domestic governance as well. That's why we caned a US citizen when he committed a crime even though Bill Clinton wrote a letter to us. The spirit for the rule of law is total. There can't be double standards without pushbacks from the society.

I never rebut your STUPID VIEWS here even though I disagreed.
I am here for leisure, nothing serious, not to hear your naive logic.

Maybe you should tell LHL on Facebook that his views on international rule of law is naive and stupid as well.

 

[Vapnope]

They issued us 3warning everyday for almost 50 days in doklam

My god! Such delusions. You guys are not in Doklam while Chinese military has increased their infrastructure in that area.

 

[AlohanAkua]

You have vetoed every single UN resolution against Israel for the atrocities. And here you are quoting some court. Hypocrisy!

These are Islands, not humans ... China is not killing people as you, your partners and master (Israel) are.

Here's something that may surprise you: I agree with you. Every country should stick w/ their allies, but also be able to call them out when they're doing something wrong. Neither Hamas nor Israel has been a bunch of angels. I try to call a spade a spade.

The US has toed the line in the face of reason, and now so does China. China is engaging in the same unreasonable behavior of Imperialists, but puts on an innocent face, there's the hypocrisy. They've become a bully, defying reason & fairness.

I'm not anti-China, I'm anti-stupid, and this is stupid:

 

[Verve]

Here's something that may surprise you: I agree with you. Every country should stick w/ their allies, but also be able to call them out when they're doing something wrong. Neither Hamas nor Israel has been a bunch of angels. I try to call a spade a spade.

The US has toed the line in the face of reason, and now so does China. China is engaging in the same unreasonable behavior of Imperialists, but puts on an innocent face, there's the hypocrisy. They've become a bully, defying reason & fairness.

I'm not anti-China, I'm anti-stupid, and this is stupid:

It's about securing trade routes, since you want to talk reasonable.

This highlighted area is the lifeline of China and a rising superpower will do all it can to stop an already superpower blocking its lifeline.

China is not focusing on the east is it now? The focus is securing trade and energy route.

Although once CPEC becomes fully functional, the risk of impact on the highlighted route will be less.

Hence the American proxy war in Pakistan to bury CPEC.