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Not just by us sir......according to the above article.

well sir,

your leader have actively supported terrorism as a tool of war against a sovereign country, caused more than 100,000 civilian deaths, by the same yard stick isn't each and every leader of pakistan in power from 1988 a terrorist, apart from that, your previous presidents have caused mass murders and genocides, can they be called terrorist,

As far as US congressmen's allegations are concerned, let me know if you have the same exact commitment to their belief;


Congressman Ted Poe said, "I have introduced H R 6391 to strip Pakistan of its major non- NATO ally status. We don't need to pay Pakistan to betray us. They will do it for free. Time for a divorce with Pakistan."

"And that's just the way it is," he said.


Representative Dana Rohrabacher, Republican of California, which stated that the people of Baluchistan, a sprawling western province racked by a seven-year-old separatist insurgency, should “have the right to self-determination and to their own sovereign country.”

"It is becoming increasingly clear to Members of the US Congress that Pakistan is a failed
state and no amount of US aid money will ever change that," Mr Rohrabacher

U.S. senators scandalized by Pakistan's jailing of a doctor for helping the CIA track down Osama bin Laden voted on Thursday to cut aid to Islamabad by $33 million -- one million for each year in the doctor's sentence.

"It's arbitrary, but the hope is that Pakistan will realize we are serious," said Senator Richard Durbin after the unanimous 30-0 vote by the Senate Appropriations Committee

Now how bout those view of your dear "US congressmen"????
 
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That's lame. Pakistan leaders are/ were responsible for more deaths in past/ present. Please call them murderer.

well sir,

your leader have actively supported terrorism as a tool of war against a sovereign country, caused more than 100,000 civilian deaths, by the same yard stick isn't each and every leader of pakistan in power from 1988 a terrorist, apart from that, your previous presidents have caused mass murders and genocides, can they be called terrorist,


Now how bout those view of your dear "US congressmen"????

Awesome. !! The US Congressmen have initiated the obstacle, while the news was carried by an Indian newspaper, but you guys couldn't contain your Pakistan obsession....which only proves the point, "when it's hard to digest, the easy escape is to digress."!!
 
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Awesome. !! The US Congressmen have initiated the obstacle, while the news was carried by an Indian newspaper, but you guys couldn't contain your Pakistan obsession....which only proves the point, "when it's hard to digest, the easy escape is to digress."!!

I dont need to cast any aspersions on what i believe.... the question is the credibility of US congressmen, If you fully subscribe to it, or as always cherry pick anti india rhetoric, and vehemently oppose anything remotely against pakistan.... grow up, we all know how many lobbies work in congress....
 
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I dont need to cast any aspersions on what i believe.... the question is the credibility of US congressmen, If you fully subscribe to it, or as always cherry pick anti india rhetoric, and vehemently oppose anything remotely against pakistan.... grow up, we all know how many lobbies work in congress....

Is that why you ended up quoting them in their anti-Pakistan banter..... Sir, one should practice what one preaches.

BTW, lobbies in this case, are not exactly working against India....rather an individual. !!
 
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Is that why you ended up quoting them in their anti-Pakistan banter..... Sir, one should practice what one preaches.

BTW, lobbies in this case, are not exactly working against India....rather an individual. !!

Of course, when you share certain rhetoric of US/Western school of thought with zeal and vigor and present it to malign a political leader of a nation, you need to reminded of the other rhetoric that you vehemently disown....

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the lobbies working here against the individual is the chief Minister of State of Gujrat, (The State that ranks 15th in a list of 142 nations worldwide and actually ranks higher than several developed nations) and is one of the contenders to be future prime minister of India.
 
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I think it is telling that the US and UK and Canada still castigate and shun Modi, while China openly supports him and wishes him well.

It should be an eye opener to us as Indians.

It would be poetic justice if NaMo become PM and threw out the Nehruvian ideal of sucking up to the west and made an aliance with Russia and China. Now that would be something I would support.
 
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It would be poetic justice if NaMo become PM and threw out the Nehruvian ideal of sucking up to the west and made an aliance with Russia and China. Now that would be something I would support.

I have nothing against the West per se, nor am I a fanboy. We should deal with everyone based on what suits us best. We have reached a critical mass where we need not be allied or pigeon holed into any one camp - and as a nation we managed the same in much bleaker times, so that is never going to be a worry.

I do not believe that India and China will ever go to war with each other. There will be pushing and shoving and tugging involved, but eventually China and India will both have to make space for each other.

As far as Russia and the US are concerned, we cannot and should not lean either way. In our own interest.
 
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It would be poetic justice if NaMo become PM and threw out the Nehruvian ideal of sucking up to the west and made an aliance with Russia and China. Now that would be something I would support.

China has actively armed a state against India, i dont see that changing!
 
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China has actively armed a state against India, i dont see that changing!

So what?

Arm two states against China.

Bottom line is that China or India will only arm candidate proxies as counter-weights, when these show some internal potential and promise as a return on investment.

China will stop arming Pakistan the day India pushes Pakistan beyond the irritant point.
 
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Not just by us sir......according to the above article.

Lol before pointing to others without evidence, what about the genocide of the Bangladeshis by your purelanders? And the countless crimes against Shias/ Ahmadis/ non-muslims in Pakistan itself? Talk about hypocracy :no:
 
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Of course, when you share certain rhetoric of US/Western school of thought with zeal and vigor and present it to malign a political leader of a nation, you need to reminded of the other rhetoric that you vehemently disown....

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the lobbies working here against the individual is the chief Minister of State of Gujrat, (The State that ranks 15th in a list of 142 nations worldwide and actually ranks higher than several developed nations) and is one of the contenders to be future prime minister of India.
I am sure you will not hesitate to open a thread if a Pakistani politician was in the same lime light....lest we forget how you Indians were posting when Imran Khan was held up at some US airport.
He may be your next saviour but in the eyes of the world he is a criminal walking tall amongst his mindset.
As for his so called achievements.....we are told Hitler also made Germany industrial and powerful.
 
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In a setback to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, a group of 25 American lawmakers have urged the US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to continue denying visa to the BJP leader, stating that his government has not adequately pursued justice of the 2002 riot victims.

"As Mr Modi continues to pursue a potential run for higher office, we believe a change in policy to his request for a visa will only embolden Modi and his government's efforts to obstruct further investigations and the tandem prosecution that have still to be finished to bring the perpetrators to justice," as many as 25 members of the US House of Representatives wrote in a letter to Clinton.

Dated November 29, the letter addressed to Clinton was released to the press yesterday, by Republican Congressman Joe Pitts and Frank Wolf on the eve of their joint press conference at the Capitol Hill with family members of the victims of the 2002 Gujarat riots.

"India is a thriving democracy, and one that is aspiring to a high standard of leadership and progress. It is disturbing that certain parties in India are considering elevating Modi, despite his tie to these attacks. Allowing him to enter the United States will only serve to abdicate his responsibility for the 2002 human rights abuses," the Congressmen said.

Among other prominent lawmakers who signed the letter include John Conyers, Trent Franks, James Moran, Michael Honda, Bill Pascrell, Barbara Lee, Edward Markey, Jim Jordan, Dan Burton, Michael Capuano and Dough Lamborn.

Observing that the Bush Administration "rightly denied" Modi a visa to enter the United States, the lawmakers said as he is currently seeking support for a possible bid for prime ministership, including meetings with leaders of foreign nations, "we expect" that he may again request entry into the United States.

"We respectfully request that the US government deny Mr Modi entry due to numerous reports of his involvement in horrific human rights violations in India," the lawmakers said.

"As you may know, Mr Modi served as the Chief Minister of Gujarat during the 2002 riots that ultimately resulted in the rape of countless women and children, the destruction of homes and businesses and the loss of 2,000 lives," the Congressmen alleged.

"Non-governmental organizations have alleged that the state government in Gujarat, led by Chief Minister Modi, provided leadership and material support to the perpetrators of these horrific crimes. After their investigation of violence, Human Rights Watch stated that the 'attacks against Muslims (and other religious minorities) in Gujarat have been actively supported by state BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party) government officials and by the police'," the letter alleged.

Noting that in the past, the State Department has denied Modi a visa under the authority of the International Religious Freedom Act for his complicity in the riots, the lawmakers said the State Department has stated that the Gujarat government has not adequately pursued justice of the victims of the 2002 violence.

"As there has been no further resolution to these issues and justice has yet to be fully realized for the victims of the riots, we ask that you continue to deny Mr Modi a visa. As Mr Modi continues to pursue a potential run for higher office, we believe a change in policy to his request for a visa will only embolden Modi and his government's efforts to obstruct further investigations and the tandem prosecutions that have still to be finished to bring the perpetrators to justice," the Congressmen said.

Continue denying visa to Modi: 25 Congressmen urges Clinton

Did Modi ever apply for US visa??? ...NO... then let these Law makers go and FO.
 
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He may be your next saviour but in the eyes of the world he is a criminal walking tall amongst his mindset.
We dont have/need saviors... We elect our representatives...

as far as the world view about crimes is concerned... there is big room for discussion.

How fair and pertinent that world view is again is quite contentious ....
 
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Modi is at advantage in both situations:

If he is denied VISA he can say that representative of 6 crore people who has no charges against him is not able to go to US.

If he is given VISA than he can make this issue a victory of the people of Gujarat.

So it's win-win in both the cases for Mr. Modi.

But i m wondering what will these law makers & other Modi-haters will do when he will become the PM of India :azn: ;)
 
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