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Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina weighs upsetting her army against upsetting Delhi

By Subir Bhaumik

SCMP - 1 Mar 2017

After several postponements, the prime minister of Bangladesh, Sheikh Hasina Wajed, has finally agreed to visit India in April but her government is reluctant to sign an agreement on defence that India is pushing for.

While New Delhi has called for a comprehensive, 25-year agreement on defence cooperation, Dhaka is thought to favour agreeing a looser, and less formal, Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) that would have no time frame.

India pitched the idea of greater defence cooperation with Bangladesh when its defence minister, Manohar Parikkar, visited Dhaka in December.

“India wants a long term comprehensive defence cooperation agreement. We want to take a more calibrated, phased approach. An MOU may be a good way to begin,” said a top Bangladesh diplomat who was privy to the negotiations. He said the issue surfaced during Indian Foreign Secretary Subrahmanyam Jaishankar’s recent visit to Dhaka in late February.

“We are for greater defence cooperation with India, the relations between our defence forces are improving and we want to tackle the threat of terrorism together, but I think it is not yet time for a long-term agreement,” the diplomat said.

The agreement India proposed would cover greater military-to-military cooperation, sale and supply of military hardware from India to Bangladesh and coordinated operations against mutually perceived threats.

Bangladesh sources much of its military hardware from China – something India is wary off. Its recent purchase of two Chinese submarines raised hackles in Delhi with some Indian defence analysts even asking why Bangladesh needed submarines at all.

Bangladesh military officials are not keen on purchasing defence hardware from India, believing that India’s own reliance on military imports suggests it has few quality products of its own to offer.

They point to the poor quality of equipment India supplied to Nepal and Myanmar, while admiring Chinese equipment for being cheap and easy to use.

But India is now willing to offer a US$500 million line of credit to Bangladesh for the purchase of military hardware. Bangladesh might welcome that and could use the funds for purchasing fast patrol craft for its coastguards and radar for its air defence.

Hasina is unwilling to push the military in this regard. “On issues of defence, she would like to go by the military’s advice,” said one of Hasina’s top advisers who did not want to be identified.

Bangladesh has a history of military coups, beginning with the assassination of Hasina’s father Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and most of her family in 1975. Civil-military relations have matured in recent years but Hasina still does not like to cross the line and prefers to go by the military’s advice on defence issues.

She is also keen to strike a balance between her country’s relations with China and India. While India has been a traditional ally for Awami League governments in Dhaka, China has emerged as a key source of development funds and defence hardware.

China and Bangladesh signed development financing deals worth US$25 billion during President Xi Jinping’s visit to Dhaka in November.

Hasina’s proposed visit to Delhi has twice been postponed – in December and February. While both foreign offices cited prior commitments of the two prime ministers, deadlock over several issues including a deal over the sharing of river water is widely considered the real problem.

“Bangladesh is still predominantly an agricultural country. For us, river water is a crucial issue,” said Shamsul Arefin, the head of Dhaka-based think tank Bangladesh Peace Research Institute.

“Hasina needs to show some positive takeaways from her Delhi visit such as [an agreement on] water sharing. She has addressed the entire range of India’s security and connectivity concerns, like pushing out Indian rebels and allowing the transit of goods to India’s troubled northeastern region. It is payback time for India.”

Bangladesh’s parliamentary election is due in January 2019. But with a booming economy, a trade surplus and a recent clean chit to her party leaders from the World Bank over an infrastructure project, Hasina might want to advance the election by a year or more. The only problem is the elusive water sharing deal.

“The failure to find a solution to the river waters issue will surely impact the rural electorate,” said Arefin.

While Hasina might not want to upset the army by going for a defence agreement with India, she also does not want to upset Delhi before an election. Agreeing to an MOU rather than a long-term agreement on defence cooperation would strike the right balance – upsetting neither India nor China, and not being seen as too close to either.

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopo...s-china-bangladesh-dithers-defence-pact-india
 
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The only country that we should have a defence pact with (if ever) is China. End of story.

raised hackles in Delhi with some Indian defence analysts even asking why Bangladesh needed submarines at all.

They should be asking themselves, why should a country with open-defecation rates higher than almost any country need,
  1. An aircraft carrier.
  2. Or a Nuclear Sub.
  3. Or a Mars mission.
I mean who's gonna friggin' invade this dump and take on the massive hassle?

What is there worth friggin' defending??
 
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In BD we are already being bomberded with a lot of MASALLA news on this defense pact. Some claim we already signed the deal serectly and so on so on.....! This one was rather better.
 
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Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina weighs upsetting her army against upsetting Delhi

By Subir Bhaumik

SCMP - 1 Mar 2017

After several postponements, the prime minister of Bangladesh, Sheikh Hasina Wajed, has finally agreed to visit India in April but her government is reluctant to sign an agreement on defence that India is pushing for.

While New Delhi has called for a comprehensive, 25-year agreement on defence cooperation, Dhaka is thought to favour agreeing a looser, and less formal, Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) that would have no time frame.

India pitched the idea of greater defence cooperation with Bangladesh when its defence minister, Manohar Parikkar, visited Dhaka in December.

“India wants a long term comprehensive defence cooperation agreement. We want to take a more calibrated, phased approach. An MOU may be a good way to begin,” said a top Bangladesh diplomat who was privy to the negotiations. He said the issue surfaced during Indian Foreign Secretary Subrahmanyam Jaishankar’s recent visit to Dhaka in late February.

“We are for greater defence cooperation with India, the relations between our defence forces are improving and we want to tackle the threat of terrorism together, but I think it is not yet time for a long-term agreement,” the diplomat said.

The agreement India proposed would cover greater military-to-military cooperation, sale and supply of military hardware from India to Bangladesh and coordinated operations against mutually perceived threats.

Bangladesh sources much of its military hardware from China – something India is wary off. Its recent purchase of two Chinese submarines raised hackles in Delhi with some Indian defence analysts even asking why Bangladesh needed submarines at all.

Bangladesh military officials are not keen on purchasing defence hardware from India, believing that India’s own reliance on military imports suggests it has few quality products of its own to offer.

They point to the poor quality of equipment India supplied to Nepal and Myanmar, while admiring Chinese equipment for being cheap and easy to use.

But India is now willing to offer a US$500 million line of credit to Bangladesh for the purchase of military hardware. Bangladesh might welcome that and could use the funds for purchasing fast patrol craft for its coastguards and radar for its air defence.

Hasina is unwilling to push the military in this regard. “On issues of defence, she would like to go by the military’s advice,” said one of Hasina’s top advisers who did not want to be identified.

Bangladesh has a history of military coups, beginning with the assassination of Hasina’s father Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and most of her family in 1975. Civil-military relations have matured in recent years but Hasina still does not like to cross the line and prefers to go by the military’s advice on defence issues.

She is also keen to strike a balance between her country’s relations with China and India. While India has been a traditional ally for Awami League governments in Dhaka, China has emerged as a key source of development funds and defence hardware.

China and Bangladesh signed development financing deals worth US$25 billion during President Xi Jinping’s visit to Dhaka in November.

Hasina’s proposed visit to Delhi has twice been postponed – in December and February. While both foreign offices cited prior commitments of the two prime ministers, deadlock over several issues including a deal over the sharing of river water is widely considered the real problem.

“Bangladesh is still predominantly an agricultural country. For us, river water is a crucial issue,” said Shamsul Arefin, the head of Dhaka-based think tank Bangladesh Peace Research Institute.

“Hasina needs to show some positive takeaways from her Delhi visit such as [an agreement on] water sharing. She has addressed the entire range of India’s security and connectivity concerns, like pushing out Indian rebels and allowing the transit of goods to India’s troubled northeastern region. It is payback time for India.”

Bangladesh’s parliamentary election is due in January 2019. But with a booming economy, a trade surplus and a recent clean chit to her party leaders from the World Bank over an infrastructure project, Hasina might want to advance the election by a year or more. The only problem is the elusive water sharing deal.

“The failure to find a solution to the river waters issue will surely impact the rural electorate,” said Arefin.

While Hasina might not want to upset the army by going for a defence agreement with India, she also does not want to upset Delhi before an election. Agreeing to an MOU rather than a long-term agreement on defence cooperation would strike the right balance – upsetting neither India nor China, and not being seen as too close to either.

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopo...s-china-bangladesh-dithers-defence-pact-india
That's how it is.Stupid Indian thought,just because Sheikh Hasina has a positive engagement with India,they can cower her into signing an anti-Bangladesh treaty.She want co-operation with India,because she sees, it will benefit Bangladesh.Many of us also see things that way.Gullible Indian thought,SHW is sold out to them,she will prioritize Indian interest over that of BD. But they don't know,she and her family fought against Pakistan and risked their life not to embrace bharati ghulami, but for a strong, independent and prosperous BD.
 
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That's how it is.Stupid Indian thought,just because Sheikh Hasina has a positive engagement with India,they can cower her into signing an anti-Bangladesh treaty.She want co-operation with India,because she sees, it will benefit Bangladesh.Many of us also see things that way.Gullible Indian thought,SHW is sold out to them,she will prioritize Indian interest over that of BD. But they don't know,she and her family fought against Pakistan and risked their life not to embrace bharati ghulami, but for a strong, independent and prosperous BD.

Point well taken but just watch the bheekhari trolls that hang out in our Bangladesh section start to dance and make stupid comments. I say ignore the goddamn pests!

And look at how idiotic these morons are.....

Bangladesh might welcome that and could use the funds for purchasing fast patrol craft for its coastguards and radar for its air defence.

Fast patrol craft, really??

What are we, some banana Republic in some backwater?

I say we return the line of credit and propose to sell them some of our Coast Guard fast patrol designs, which are (I bet) faster, more modern, better made than any heap of junk they make.....
 
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The only country that we should have a defence pact with (if ever) is China. End of story.



They should be asking themselves, why should a country with open-defecation rates higher than almost any country need,
  1. An aircraft carrier.
  2. Or a Nuclear Sub.
  3. Or a Mars mission.
I mean who's gonna friggin' invade this dump and take on the massive hassle?

What is there worth friggin' defending??
LOL :lol:
 
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Bangladesh military officials are not keen on purchasing defence hardware from India, believing that India’s own reliance on military imports suggests it has few quality products of its own to offer.

They point to the poor quality of equipment India supplied to Nepal and Myanmar, while admiring Chinese equipment for being cheap and easy to use.
Of course Indian produce shoddy,poor quality arms,but main point is not that.Main point is,we,the whole nation including Sheikh Hasina don't trust India when it comes to defence and wish nothing to do with Indian defence equipment.But it is not very diplomatic to say bluntly on Indian face that we don't trust you.So our diplomats played this poor quality excuse.:lol:
 
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Come on people, no need for abuse here.

I mentioned this earlier and I mention this again - SHW will think twice before upsetting the military, who are one of the major stakeholders to her government.. especially after getting into power through last 'election'. With more Chinese ToTs and investments coming in, I highly doubt the military will agree to any of these defense pacts, let alone a 25 year one. I can say with almost full certainty this 25 year clause will change and will bog down to things such as petrol crafts for CG and other minor equipment.

If I was India, the only way I would play this game is to offer Bangladesh the Teesta deal it wants and in return, ask for the long term defense pact. Now that is going to be hell tricky for Hasina to decide on, because there are certain things you cannot measure with money!
 
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