Kayani shot down coup call?

[Awesome]

Zardari is not his master, nor he is hand in glove with Zardari.

Issue, is the circumstances we are in, major military is deployed on war fronts in the north west and then to the east. There are certain number of people who will then start talking against the military and Kiyani with the help of the hundreds of martyrs and successful operations has made back the good image of the military, so he won't risk it destroying again. Plus, the call by many to give democracy breathing space is another factor.


But i would suggest that if they can't take over, they should bring or install a broad based govt with hand picked / good people with few popular / reasonable politicians with the agenda to steer the economy out of trouble. Atleast a 5 year mandate to this hand picked govt. Another elections and this time Nawaz may come, who will do the same what PPP has done.

But then again, this is not the permanent solution, a temporary one, we need a permanent solution and that will come from the politicians themselves and not the military.

We need reforms in the political parties structure and how they are run, we need reforms in the govt structure, meaning something based on the grass root level system which was introduced by Mushy uncle, people need to have more say and control.

I do not say so because he hasn't done a coup, I say so because like Zardari Kayani has not been able to ward off offences from Americans.

1. He does not take action against Haqqanis.
2. His general gives stupid statements that they will act when Haqqani becomes a problem for Pakistan - Abey he's occupying your territory, nikalo bahar unko.
3. Then as a consequence he causes Americans to bomb us with drones.
4. He doesn't stop the drones
5. His people were unable to find Osama Bin Laden
6. Under him Army couldn't stop Americans operation

All these issues allow Americans to be hostile to Pakistan and cause harm to it. I can only imagine he is doing this on purpose and wants to see Pakistan destroyed.

Its time that Corp Commanders tell Kayani - PLEASE LEAVE.

 

[Donatello]

He is more like BMW without gas in tank...he has power and status and value but can't use it ...

That's a strange analogy.....first of it's kind i have read.......Kayani can very well use his status....

 

[TaimiKhan]

Broad based, hand picked few god people with popular appeal -- hmm, why don't you just ask for the world?

Structural problems require structural solutions --- See, it's not as if the army has not tried all of these things before, in fact that's how we came to have these structural problems to begin with, if the army had any real idea of the problem and it's solutions, it would have acted by now.

What kinds of reform in the political party structure would you think may generate positive results? Are you suggesting we should make the local the venue for political agitation, awareness and action, and if yes, how would we secure the provincial and national from the ambitions of these politicians? It would require an amendment to the constitution or may be a new constitution, for a new organization of the state.

May I suggest something that in Pakistan would be radical? -- Free the economy, privatize it, utopia won't suddenly happen, but the worst of the worst of state directed policies would come to an end - no longer would business find the need to go on bended knee to some military commander and beg that he subvert his institution, and no longer would there be a need for armed politics, as the politicians can be assured that there are no public funds to rob there and the armed gangs of the political parties can be assured not just of a state with backbone but private funds to ensure political gangs and their sponsors can rethink the personal accountability private funding can deliver to them. And of course there is all the stuff about jobs, lives of dignity and a thriving economy.

Well that is what i am doing, asking for the world

Anyway, reforms in political parties structure means, no one stays the head after a certain period of time, there should be elections within the political parties and the political structure keep changes, no one stays for long period of time, something like the US Republican & Democratic party structure, they have elections within themselves and the best comes up and no one is the absolute leader of the party for decades. Reforms means, whether change in Constitution or whatever, but rules should be made so that the party is not the jagir of any one man or a group of people.

And freeing the economy is not the answer, govt will still have the power to generate funds through taxes and other indirect means. Political parties will still generate income through their own resources and by being in the govt.

In the end i agree, i may be asking for the world, as the above things seems to be impossible to be done by the political parties themselves, until someone a very unselfish politician comes into power and does the correct steps, which is not in the current lot.

 

[r3alist]

A coup in Pakistan could be a death knell.

Wretched as its current state is, the Pakistani people and "establishment" must strive to make democracy work for them, they need to be understand this battle is a long slow grind, rather than a lustful one off battle.

 

[r3alist]

May I suggest something that in Pakistan would be radical? -- Free the economy, privatize it, utopia won't suddenly happen, but the worst of the worst of state directed policies would come to an end - no longer would business find the need to go on bended knee to some military commander and beg that he subvert his institution, and no longer would there be a need for armed politics, as the politicians can be assured that there are no public funds to rob there and the armed gangs of the political parties can be assured not just of a state with backbone but private funds to ensure political gangs and their sponsors can rethink the personal accountability private funding can deliver to them. And of course there is all the stuff about jobs, lives of dignity and a thriving economy.

Nonsense.

Without rigid corruption free institutions you will replace one set if looters with another set.

 

[hunter_hunted]

Kayani is doing a fine job its not the responsibility of Army to perform the role police, and further more its not the time that army should be involved in such matters. Army is not the answer for each n everything . And if only army has to do everything y not just accept the rule of army? after all our Donkey politicians has ruin Pakistan. Pakistan lacks the honest leadership.


Pakistan is hit by flood in 2 consecutive years same is the case for dingi , Pakistan is engaged in so called war on terror which is not our war, more than 60 billion is spent on this shi*

The total sum is WE R ******

 

[ice_man]

NO COUP will happen in the near future!!

army likes to walk in to people waving them in and dancing around!! not when army is hated! musharraf's era is still a vivid memory! give it another 5 or 6 years before the men in boots walk up the government buildings!

 

[muse]

May I suggest something that in Pakistan would be radical? -- Free the economy, privatize it, utopia won't suddenly happen, but the worst of the worst of state directed policies would come to an end - no longer would business find the need to go on bended knee to some military commander and beg that he subvert his institution, and no longer would there be a need for armed politics, as the politicians can be assured that there are no public funds to rob there and the armed gangs of the political parties can be assured not just of a state with backbone but private funds to ensure political gangs and their sponsors can rethink the personal accountability private funding can deliver to them. And of course there is all the stuff about jobs, lives of dignity and a thriving economy.

Nonsense.

Without rigid corruption free institutions you will replace one set if looters with another set.

So people in Pakistan are prone to stealing from themselves??? Make sense R3

 

[blackops]

A mil coup looks good at this point of time without wasting any time economic reforms must be taken before the economy runs in more trouble a proper institutional chain must be placed to solve problems

 

[lem34]

Kayani is hand in glove with Zardari - he will not betray his master.

or do you mean that zardari is a puppet and glove to kayanis hand. does anyone really think that zardari would dare to oppose kayani on anything. It suits kayani to say to the world that we have a veneer of democracy because if there is a coup america and here cronies will use it as another stick to beat up pakistan in propaganda and say we dont have democracy

 

[VCheng]

Kayani is hand in glove with Zardari - he will not betray his master.

Zardari is no master. Both Kayani and Zardari take their marching orders from somewhere else. The Corps commanders are in no position to deal with the aftermath if they push Kayani out, or engineer some other form of a coup.

 

[Solomon2]

...The Corps commanders are in no position to deal with the aftermath if they push Kayani out, or engineer some other form of a coup.

Why not? What aftermath? Isn't there always cheering in the streets after a coup in Pakistan?

 

[VCheng]

Why not? What aftermath? Isn't there always cheering in the streets after a coup in Pakistan?

Cheering is the streets will not solve any of the complex issues that will need to be resolved and managed if there is a coup.

 

[Solomon2]

"Complex issues" tend to get buried during military rule, only to come out later.

Readers here know that I thought a coup was in the making back in April and only the Abbottabad raid prevented it then. Now, with the ISI and Army on the line, with Pakistan compelled to choose between bedding with America or the Haqqanis by the U.S. Congress, I wonder not that the P.A. leadership is feeling the heat and making plans for a coup again. As the self-appointed supreme arbiter of the country, I don't see why the P.A. should not at all times assumed to be guilty until proven innocent.

 

[OrionHunter]

The question is: would anything have changed if Kayani had taken over? It would be more of the same. The TTP would not have melted away, India the enemy would still be there, ISI and RAW would still be up to their tricks and drones would have continued with their killing spree.