kashmir : the definitive solution

[jamahir]

my thread is lost behind the ugly smoke of nationalism and religion.

 

[Kabira]

my thread is lost behind the ugly smoke of nationalism and religion.

Your thread does not make any sense. Let Kashmiris decide what they want and i promise you that if they decide to become Indians then Pakistanis unki taraf tukhe ghe bhi nai.

 

[The_Showstopper]

what do you think of my above post??

Good points but as some one already pointed it out, it is an Utopian idea. Ground realities are quite different and the things mentioned in OP are quite difficult to implement.... But then again I would end up saying that it is upto the Kashmiris to decide what they are exactly looking out for.

my thread is lost behind the ugly smoke of nationalism and religion.

As I said earlier, the OP is quite Utopian, the reason you can see right now on this thread where there are many "educated" trolls of both sides who don't come here to discuss and debate but rather spew their venom....

 

[raja hindustani]

Your thread does not make any sense. Let Kashmiris decide what they want and i promise you that if they decide to become Indians then Pakistanis unki taraf tukhe ghe bhi nai.

There isn't going to be a referendum. It will be a political suicide for any ruling party which decides to do so. The time for referendum was before '65 not any more. Also its a slippery slope if Kashmir gets a referendum then why not Punjab? or South asia. These referendums are a threat to the country's wholeness.

 

[jamahir]

As I said earlier, the OP is quite Utopian, the reason you can see right now on this thread where there are many "educated" trolls of both sides who don't come here to discuss and debate but rather spew their venom....

absolutely.

Good points but as some one already pointed it out, it is an Utopian idea. Ground realities are quite different and the things mentioned in OP are quite difficult to implement.... But then again I would end up saying that it is upto the Kashmiris to decide what they are exactly looking out for.

sorry, but those ground realities are because kashmir is being held ransom to the childish peoples and governments in india and pakistan... that is the actual ground reality.

there is no human reason for anyone to reject the op solution... is it not true that the million+ soldiers on both sides of the border are essentially occupation forces?? india and pakistan have only one reason to keep kashmir in status quo... as buffer states against each other.

Your thread does not make any sense. Let Kashmiris decide what they want and i promise you that if they decide to become Indians then Pakistanis unki taraf tukhe ghe bhi nai.

this ( kashmir : the definitive solution | Page 3 ) is what some or many kashmiris want in indian kashmir.

for pakistani kashmir, you should read fatima bhutto's book "the shadow of the crescent moon"... it is the same sentiment.

 

[Kabira]

There isn't going to be a referendum. It will be a political suicide for any ruling party which decides to do so. The time for referendum was before '65 not any more. Also its a slippery slope if Kashmir gets a referendum then why not Punjab? or South asia. These referendums are a threat to the country's wholeness.

Nope, Punjab already had referendum. Only IoK is left because India occupied it. We don't have problem with Pak kashmir referendum, if they want to join India they are free to do so.

 

[Kabira]

no referendum was held in Punjab. Lahore should belong to the Sikhs and capital of khalistan. this will happen soon.

West punjab was muslim majority area, sikhs were migrants from central and east punjab which is current day Indian punjab and Haryana. 90% of sikhs have nothing to do with Pakistan punjab. They are native to Indian punjab a part from few. Otherwise most migrated from Indian punjab to west punjab in time of Ranjeet Singh.

 

[The_Showstopper]

sorry, but those ground realities are because kashmir is being held ransom to the childish peoples and governments in india and pakistan... that is the actual ground reality.

there is no human reason for anyone to reject the op solution... is it not true that the million+ soldiers on both sides of the border are essentially occupation forces?? india and pakistan have only one reason to keep kashmir in status quo... as buffer states against each other.

Whatever the reasons are but these won't let the OP's idea of Kashmir to be implemented....

 

[jamahir]

Whatever the reasons are but these won't let the OP's idea of Kashmir to be implemented....

true, and hence my thought of inclusion of sco/alba grouping and of uno... india and pakistan should state why they won't accept external parties if they are really being sincere towards bring peace to all kashmiri peoples... reasonable, yes??

presently, there are two transnationally influential leaders who have the authority to speak... fidel castro and vladimir putin... they should take up kashmir, korea, israel/palestine, kurdistan.

 

[The_Showstopper]

true, and hence my thought of inclusion of sco/alba grouping and of uno... india and pakistan should state why they won't accept external parties if they are really being sincere towards bring peace to all kashmiri peoples... reasonable, yes??

presently, there are two transnationally influential leaders who have the authority to speak... fidel castro and vladimir putin... they should take up kashmir, korea, israel/palestine, kurdistan.

But why would you want foreign groups who have no understanding of local issues to get into this....

 

[SarthakGanguly]

But why would you want foreign groups who have no understanding of local issues to get into this....

Because he is jamahir.

 

[jamahir]

But why would you want foreign groups who have no understanding of local issues to get into this....

Because he is jamahir.

which ministry in either nation have offered a solution in the last 67 years?? which prime minister and which president??

the foreign groups will have a cleaner view of the issue.

 

[haviZsultan]

@jamahir, your solution invites the intervention of Putin and Castro but what about the Kashmiri people. Why not simply let them decide where they want to go. The ultimate choice should be with the Kashmiri people which unfortunately Indians are unwilling to provide.

Also there is a severe difference between views from Pakistan administered Kashmir and Indian occupied Kashmir. On our side most people want merger with Pakistan. On the occupied side people want independence while the people of jammu (I am not sure if this is a majority) wanting merger with Indiaa and these people are mostly hindus.

@waz you are a Kashmiri, what do you think? @Kashmiri Nationalist you? I believe the ultimate decision should be in kashmiri hands.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@jamahir

Who are YOU to propose any solution for Kashmir
Why dont you tell your Real Name / Religion and show your Photograph to us

What is your STATUS in Indian Political circles
Are you an MP / MLA

Why should your proposals be NOT thrown out summarily
BECAUSE of they being PRO PAKISTANI

@jamahir, your solution invites the intervention of Putin and Castro but what about the Kashmiri people. Why not simply let them decide where they want to go. The ultimate choice should be with the Kashmiri people which unfortunately Indians are unwilling to provide.

Also there is a severe difference between views from Pakistan administered Kashmir and Indian occupied Kashmir. On our side most people want merger with Pakistan. On the occupied side people want independence while the people of jammu (I am not sure if this is a majority) wanting merger with Indiaa and these people are mostly hindus.

@waz you are a Kashmiri, what do you think? @Kashmiri Nationalist you? I believe the ultimate decision should be in kashmiri hands.

The future of Indian Administered Kashmir is NOT open for any negotiation

HINDUS alone will decide its future and we have already decided
that it is an integral part of India

 

[Lux de Veritas]

So much of PDF Hindu who keep trolling Tibet and Xinjiang.