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Now I know why Pakistan-Usurped-Kashmir (PUK) is never in the news- there aren't any reporters!!! That must be some can of worms they have there. Looking forward to hearing more about the 'Liberated' part of Kashmir lol
 
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^ Now we know why the world does not join in when Pakistan makes noises on the protests in Jammu & Kashmir ;)
 
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China's Discreet Hold on Pakistan's Northern Borderlands
By SELIG S. HARRISON
Published: August 26, 2010

While the world focuses on the flood-ravaged Indus River valley, a quiet geopolitical crisis is unfolding in the Himalayan borderlands of northern Pakistan, where Islamabad is handing over de facto control of the strategic Gilgit-Baltistan region in the northwest corner of disputed Kashmir to China.

The entire Pakistan occupied western portion of Kashmir stretching from Gilgit in the north to Azad (Free) Kashmir in the south is closed to the world, in contrast to the media access that India permits in the eastern part, where it is combating a Pakistan-backed insurgency. But reports from a variety of foreign intelligence sources, Pakistani journalists and Pakistani human rights workers reveal two important new developments in Gilgit-Baltistan: a simmering rebellion against Pakistani rule and the influx of an estimated 7,000 to 11,000 soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army.

China wants a grip on the region to assure unfettered road and rail access to the Gulf through Pakistan. It takes 16 to 25 days for Chinese oil tankers to reach the Gulf. When high-speed rail and road links through Gilgit and Baltistan are completed, China will be able to transport cargo from Eastern China to the new Chinese-built Pakistani naval bases at Gwadar, Pasni and Ormara, just east of the Gulf, within 48 hours.

Many of the P.L.A. soldiers entering Gilgit-Baltistan are expected to work on the railroad. Some are extending the Karakoram Highway, built to link China’s Sinkiang Province with Pakistan. Others are working on dams, expressways and other projects.

Mystery surrounds the construction of 22 tunnels in secret locations where Pakistanis are barred. Tunnels would be necessary for a projected gas pipeline from Iran to China that would cross the Himalayas through Gilgit. But they could also be used for missile storage sites.

Until recently, the P.L.A. construction crews lived in temporary encampments and went home after completing their assignments. Now they are building big residential enclaves clearly designed for a long-term presence.

What is happening in the region matters to Washington for two reasons. Coupled with its support for the Taliban, Islamabad’s collusion in facilitating China’s access to the Gulf makes clear that Pakistan is not a U.S. “ally.” Equally important, the nascent revolt in the Gilgit-Baltistan region is a reminder that Kashmiri demands for autonomy on both sides of the cease-fire line would have to be addressed in a settlement.

Media attention has exposed the repression of the insurgency in the Indian-ruled Kashmir Valley. But if reporters could get into the Gilgit-Baltistan region and Azad Kashmir, they would find widespread, brutally-suppressed local movements for democratic rights and regional autonomy.

When the British partitioned South Asia in 1947, the maharajah who ruled Kashmir, including Gilgit and Baltistan, acceded to India. This set off intermittent conflict that ended with Indian control of the Kashmir Valley, the establishment of Pakistan-sponsored Free Kashmir in western Kashmir, and Pakistan’s occupation of Gilgit and Baltistan, where Sunni jihadi groups allied with the Pakistan Army have systematically terrorized the local Shiite Muslims.

Gilgit and Baltistan are in effect under military rule. Democratic activists there want a legislature and other institutions without restrictions like the ones imposed on Free Kashmir, where the elected legislature controls only 4 out of 56 subjects covered in the state constitution. The rest are under the jurisdiction of a “Kashmir Council” appointed by the president of Pakistan.

India gives more power to the state government in Srinagar; elections there are widely regarded as fair, and open discussion of demands for autonomy is permitted. But the Pakistan-abetted insurgency in the Kashmir Valley has added to tensions between Indian occupation forces and an assertive population seeking greater of local autonomy.

The United States is uniquely situated to play a moderating role in Kashmir, given its growing economic and military ties with India and Pakistan’s aid dependence on Washington. Such a role should be limited to quiet diplomacy. Washington should press New Delhi to resume autonomy negotiations with Kashmiri separatists. Success would put pressure on Islamabad for comparable concessions in Free Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan. In Pakistan, Washington should focus on getting Islamabad to stop aiding the insurgency in the Kashmir Valley and to give New Delhi a formal commitment that it will not annex Gilgit and Baltistan.

Precisely because the Gilgit-Baltistan region is so important to China, the United States, India and Pakistan should work together to make sure that it is not overwhelmed, like Tibet, by the Chinese behemoth.

Selig S. Harrison is director of the Asia Program at the Center for International Policy and a former South Asia bureau chief of The Washington Post.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/opinion/27iht-edharrison.html?_r=1

The crap article already posted somewhere else and discussed.

Useless. :frown:
 
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The crap article already posted somewhere else and discussed.

Useless. :frown:

:P SG always look for some American Conspiracy theory

Its all fault of China and all these 750000000 oppsss did i cross the number, bullets have been fired to keep Chinese hold there :rofl:
 
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The crap article already posted somewhere else and discussed.

Useless. :frown:

Of course it's crap. It doesn't agree with your world-view, that's why it's crap. It makes you think, that's why it's crap. It's makes you uncomfortable, that's why it's crap.

Unless kids like you grow a pair and learn to face reality, there is no hope for your nation. Stop your posturing and false pride, and grow out of your victimized mindset.
 
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Of course it's crap. It doesn't agree with your world-view, that's why it's crap. It makes you think, that's why it's crap. It's makes you uncomfortable, that's why it's crap.

Unless kids like you grow a pair and learn to face reality, there is no hope for your nation. Stop your posturing and false pride, and grow out of your victimized mindset.

Your signature suits your personality perfectly, take a cue from it. Bash your head against the keyboard and repeat until unconscious.

Back on topic:
It doesn't agree with your world-view
Same can be said for articles mentioning India in a negative spotlight.

It makes you think, that's why it's crap. It's makes you uncomfortable, that's why it's crap.
No, it's crap because it's crap... 75,000 rounds of ammo... Spare me, please!

Unless kids like you grow a pair and learn to face reality
:disagree: and by posting that statement your exhibiting the epitome of maturity, right? Listen to yourself!

there is no hope for your nation.
So now your Judge, Jury and Executioner?

Stop your posturing

That's funny ever since i have been visiting these forums all i see here is Indian trolls trying to undermine Pakistan and strut around in a shameless display of self glorification.

and grow out of your victimized mindset.

Same can be said to you regarding IOK... Now take a chill pill and do consider what i said about the keyboard meeting your face, a few hard blows to your cranium may get those synapses sparking again.
 
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The discomfort Kashmiris feel is about which laws self-rule must be under, and Hurriyat rejects a secular constitution

What ails Kashmir? The Sunni idea of ?azadi? - Columns - livemint.com


We know what Hurriyat Conference wants: azadi, freedom. But freedom from what? Freedom from Indian rule. Doesn’t an elected Kashmiri, Omar Abdullah, rule from Srinagar?

Yes, but Hurriyat rejects elections. Why? Because ballots have no azadi option.But why can’t the azadi demand be made by democratically elected leaders? Because elections are rigged through the Indian Army. Why is the Indian Army out in Srinagar and not in Surat? Because Kashmiris want azadi.

Let’s try that again.


What do Kashmiris want freedom from? India’s Constitution.

What is offensive about India’s Constitution? It is not Islamic. This is the issue, let us be clear.

The violence in Srinagar isn’t for democratic self-rule because Kashmiris have that. The discomfort Kashmiris feel is about which laws self-rule must be under, and Hurriyat rejects a secular constitution.

Hurriyat deceives the world by using a universal word, azadi, to push a narrow, religious demand. Kashmiris have no confusion about what azadi means: It means Shariah. Friday holidays, amputating thieves’ hands, abolishing interest, prohibiting alcohol (and kite-flying), stoning adulterers, lynching apostates and all the rest of it that comprises the ideal Sunni state.

Also Read Aakar’s previous Lounge columns

Not one Shia gang terrorizes India; terrorism on the subcontinent is a Sunni monopoly.

There is a token Shia among the Hurriyat’s bearded warriors, but it is essentially a Sunni group pursuing Sunni Shariah. Its most important figure is Umar Farooq. He’s called mirwaiz, meaning head of preachers (waiz), but he inherited his title at 17 and actually is no Islamic scholar. He is English-educated, but his base is Srinagar’s sullen neighbourhood of Maisuma, at the front of the stone-pelting. His following is conservative and, since he has little scholarship, he is unable to bend his constituents to his view.

Hurriyat’s modernists are led by Sopore’s 80-year-old Ali Geelani of Jamaat-e-Islami. Jamaat was founded in 1941 by a brilliant man from Maharashtra called Maududi, who invented the structure of the modern Islamic state along the lines of a Communist one. Maududi opposed Jinnah’s tribal raid in Kashmir, which led to the Line of Control, saying jihad could only be prosecuted formally by a Muslim state, and not informally by militias. This wisdom was discarded later, and Hizb al-Mujahideen, starring Syed Salahuddin of cap and beard fame, is a Jamaat unit. Maududi was ecumenical, meaning that he unified the four Sunni groups of thought. He always excluded Shias, as heretics.

The Kashmiri separatist movement is actually inseparable from Sunni fundamentalism. Those on the Hurriyat’s fringes who say they are Gandhians, like Yasin Malik, are carried along by the others in the group so long as the immediate task of resisting India is in common. But the Hurriyat and its aims are ultimately poisonous, even for Muslims.

The Hurriyat Conference’s idea of freedom unfolds from a religious instinct, not a secular sentiment. This instinct is sectarian, and all the pro-azadi groups are Shia-killers. In promoting their hatred, the groups plead for the support of other Muslims by leaning on the name of the Prophet Muhammad.

Hafiz is a title and means memorizer of the Quran. Mohammed Saeed’s Lashkar Tayyaba means army of Tyeb (“the good”), one of the Prophet’s names. This is incorrectly spelled and pronounced by our journalists as “Taiba” or “Toiba”, but Muslims can place the name. Lashkar rejects all law from sources other than the recorded sayings and actions of Muhammad. This is called being Wahhabi, and Wahhabis detest the Shia.

Jaish Muhammad (Muhammad’s army) was founded in a Karachi mosque, and it is linked to the Shia-killing Sipah Sahaba (Army of Muhammad’s First Followers) in Pakistan’s Seraiki-speaking southern Punjab. The group follows a narrow, anti-Shia doctrine developed in Deoband.

Decades of non-interference by the Pakistani state in the business of Kashmiri separatism has led to a loss of internal sovereignty in Pakistan. The state is no longer able to convince its citizens that it should act against these groups. Though their own Shia are regularly butchered, a poll shows that a quarter of Pakistanis think Lashkar Tayyaba does good work. We think Indian Muslims are different from Pakistanis and less susceptible to fanaticism. It is interesting that within Pakistan, the only group openly and violently opposed to Taliban and terrorism are UP and Bihar migrants who form Karachi’s secular Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) party.

So what do the separatist groups want? It is wrong to see them as being only terrorist groups. They operate in an intellectual framework, and there is a higher idea that drives the violence. This is a perfect state with an executive who is pious, male and Sunni. Such a state, where all is done according to the book, will get God to shower his blessings on the citizens, who will all be Sunnis.

There are three types of Sunnis in Kashmir. Unionists, separatists, and neutrals. Unionists, like Omar Abdullah, are secular and likely to be repelled by separatism because they have seen the damage caused by political Islam in Pakistan. They might not be in love with Indians, but they see the beauty of the Indian Constitution. Neutrals, like Mehbooba Mufti, are pragmatic and will accept the Indian Constitution when in power, though they show defiance when out of it. This is fine, because they respond to a Muslim constituency that is uncertain, but isn’t totally alienated. The longer these two groups participate in democracy in Kashmir, the weaker the separatists become. The current violence is a result of this. Given their boycott of politics, the Hurriyat must rally its base by urging them to violence and most of it happens in Maisuma and Sopore. The violence should also clarify the problem in the minds of neutrals: If Kashmiri rule does not solve the azadi problem, what will?

India’s liberals are defensive when debating Kashmir because of our unfulfilled promise on plebiscite. But they shouldn’t be. There is really no option to secular democracy, whether one chooses it through a plebiscite or whether it is imposed. It is a universal idea and there is no second form of government in any culture or religion that works. The Islamic state is utopian and it never arrives. Since it is driven by belief, however, the search becomes quite desperate.

India has a constitution; Pakistan has editions. These are the various Pakistani constitutions: 1935 (secular), 1956 (federal), 1962 (dictatorial), 1973 (parliamentary), 1979 (Islamic), 1999 (presidential), 2008 (parliamentary). Why do they keep changing and searching? Muslims keep trying to hammer in Islamic bits into a set of laws that is actually quite complete. This is the Government of India Act of 1935, gifted to us by the British.

Kashmiris have it, and perhaps at some point they will learn to appreciate its beauty.
 
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First it was only muslim population. Now it is only Sunni population. Than it would be only bareilvi, only deobandi and only ahle hadees population.

Come one Bharatis how low you can go.

:):lol:
 
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Now that they cant blame protesters as terrorists they are running out of ideas hence coming with this crap.
 
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First it was only muslim population. Now it is only Sunni population. Than it would be only bareilvi, only deobandi and only ahle hadees population.

Come one Bharatis how low you can go.

:):lol:

I dont' agree with the article completely. But the reality is that only the Valley population wants indepedance.

There is muslim majority regions in Jammy like Poonch and Rajouri(mostly sunni Gujjars) that are find with being with India. Similarly Kargil which is 80% muslims (mostly shia) actually helped Indian Army fight off Pakistani invaders in 1999.

The valley which comprises a little less than 50% of the state and 30% of the population of the entire historical J&K state is what has a strong opinion on independance, but ofcourse they want the entire state to become independant, not just the valley as that would not be viable in any shape or form.
 
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I dont' agree with the article completely. But the reality is that only the Valley population wants indepedance.

There is muslim majority regions in Jammy like Poonch and Rajouri(mostly sunni Gujjars) that are find with being with India. Similarly Kargil which is 80% muslims (mostly shia) actually helped Indian Army fight off Pakistani invaders in 1999.

The valley which comprises a little less than 50% of the state and 30% of the population of the entire historical J&K state is what has a strong opinion on independance, but ofcourse they want the entire state to become independant, not just the valley as that would not be viable in any shape or form.

It is ridiculous to comment whether Sunni want independence or shia don't want independence. The fact is the muslim population in majority don't accept indian occupation of their land want freedom. Isn't Allama Abbas Ansari a shia and senior leader of Hurriat. It is very easy to make such claims that they support us or they don't support. The fact remains the same that Indian occupation of Kashmir is illegitimate.

:)
 
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I dont' agree with the article completely. But the reality is that only the Valley population wants indepedance.

There is muslim majority regions in Jammy like Poonch and Rajouri(mostly sunni Gujjars) that are find with being with India. Similarly Kargil which is 80% muslims (mostly shia) actually helped Indian Army fight off Pakistani invaders in 1999.

The valley which comprises a little less than 50% of the state and 30% of the population of the entire historical J&K state is what has a strong opinion on independance, but ofcourse they want the entire state to become independant, not just the valley as that would not be viable in any shape or form.

Well truth is india is not good in Divide and Rule game :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Muslims of Kashmir need freedom and thats what will happen soon.its on UNO table as disputed land.... stay tuned

:pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:
 
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The article is so much flawed logicaly that it does not deserve an logical critique . However there are some elementary facts that aauthor gets wrong which nbetray his lack of knowledge about kashmir . He says that Maisuma is stronghold of mirwaiz while it is the stronghold of Yasin Malik . Mirwaiz has bulk of his supporters from downtown srinagar . At another point he mentions most protests bieng limited to maisuma and sopore which is not correct .The protests are spread over whole length and breadth of Kashmir valley and are especialy strong in urban areas which include sopore and maisuma .
Infact when someone starts writing about sopore as if it is next Kandhar I began to suspect the motives or knowledge of author . Sopore definitely is pro-freedom stronghold but so are other urban areas of Kashhmir . Though I love when Indian writes began to rant on sopore bieng an islamist hub (My family comes from sopore ) but the fact is that in overall scheme of things sopore is not most important town either demographicaly or politicaly , It is fourth largest town in kashmir after Srinagar ,Barramula and Islamabad(Anantnag) . But I think known pro pakistan :pakistan: proclivities of sopore do cuase much takleef in India
 
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Read what I said: Valley muslims

I didnt say shia or sunnis. And that is as accurate as it is.

Ofcourse you have pro-India section in the valley, mainly in the rural areas. But the urban valley has predominant independance sentiment, not pro-Pakistan but independance.

All the news and protests that you have been hearing about are all in the valley. There are no shutdowns or curfews in Kargil orJammu regions where muslims are in majority. These are facts.

That is were the pro-independance movement has failed. It has not support even on the Pakistani side let alone in the Indian side. So it is high time to those who honestly want to solve the issue to think an independant valley will be aviable option. Particularly between Pakistan, China and India.
 
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