Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[SnIPeR Xr]

How old are you exactly???

Well,when you will be a little more matured and have a little more idea about Economics and the financial situation of a country,then you will realize that the state of Pakistan is in a much worse condition politically ,socially and economically.It does not feature in the top 10 list of Most Failed Countries without a reason.

I can also very well understand the paradox of talking to somebody about India while he knows almost nothing about India.

In relation to the issues in India's north East,are you even aware of India's joint operations with Bhutan,and co-operations with Myanmar and Bangladesh???The militants were all flushed out long time back,with most of their leaders either killed or captured.

We don't even hear about militant attacks in Kashmir that much anymore,which was a daily norm even sometime ago.

Regarding Tamilnadu,well well well,do you have an iota of idea regarding what you are talking about???
That state is one of the top GDP contributors of India,The 2007 estimate of Tamilnadu's GDP puts the figure at US $ 70billion.Now that is almost half of the GDP of entire Pakistan alone even if we calculate Pakistan's GDP by 2010's estimate.


Let us just say that the general concern among people have led to the development of India.And our concern seems to be about everything that concerns India.

My suggestion to you.it will be better for you to get a bit concerned too.We had a Mumbai like attack some time ago.But you people experience attacks like that on daily basis.Sometimes Lahore,sometimes Karachi,sometimes Quetta....

.Also your economy looks like a shattered piece of glass to me.The government even had to take loan just to pay the salary of the employees.Your country has a forex reserve of US $ 16.7 billion while the external debt is well about US $ 53 billion

There has been a recent flood,probably the biggest ever for Pakistan.That flood has destroyed agricultural lands and left million without food.You please donate your pocket money to those people,we will take care of our army and our people.


Also,do something about corruption in your country.From what I here,it seems Zardari recently bought a 140 million pound worth apartment recently even while a part of his country has just experienced floods.

Lol i was just kidding & you jumped into no matter what conclusions
Sorry if my humor has increased the fire inside you .
Well I know each & every thing about Economy & Finance But according to you we are very poor & our economic condition is very bad But here in in Azad Kashmir employment is not an issue.But according to you indian economy is very good But still employment is an issue in Indian occupied kashmir.

Isn't it strange

I didn't got any thing from your employment point.
But now i have drawn three conclusions.You have to select one option because this is the only way to remove confusion from your employment point(& this time its not funny).

Here are the three options:
1.India is so poor that it cannot give employment to kashmiris.Because its been 60 years & employment is an issue in IOK.

2.Accept that employment is not an issue in kashmir,But IDEOLOGY is an issue.(by accepting that option you will prove that india is very rich)

3.Third & last option is accept that you dont want to give employment to kashmiris because you consider those kashmiris LOW LIFE & LOW CAST people just as you consider Dalits & Shoder Low life & low cast.

These are the 3 conclusions that anyone can draw from your employment point.
Now by accepting one of them you will remove the confusion & then we will proceed the debate.

And about your failed nation point.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/63980-60-most-failed-countries-world-postcards-hell.html

This is your thread on PDF about failed nations and in this thread many indian members including you didn't agree with Pakistan being in top 10 failed nations
& now you are saying something else.

Watch Out you are turning away from your stance

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Kashmir clashes lead to deaths​

Last Modified: 13 Sep 2010 12:59 GMT

At least 13 protesters and a policeman dead in worst day of violence since protests against Indian rule began in June.

Monday's death toll was the highest since separatist protests broke out in June against Indian rule [AFP]

At least 13 protesters and a policeman have been killed in Kashmir in the most deadly day of violence since mass demonstrations against Indian rule began three months ago, Indian police say.

A police officer and three protesters were killed during fierce clashes in central Budgam district on Monday, while another three died in western Tangmarg village after a mob torched a church-run school, local police officials told AFP news agency.

Security forces shot live ammunition at some of the crowds, killing people in at least five different villages, according to a police officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to speak with media.

The death toll was the highest since separatist protests broke out in June against Indian rule in the northern state.

Tens of thousands of violent anti-Indian demonstrators have ignored an indefinite curfew and flooded the streets, burning government buildings and throwing rocks at police stations.

Kashmir clashes lead to deaths - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English

 

[muse]

Pressure seems to be building on the Indian - it's interesting to note the comments of US dept of state on the issue, as indeed is the coverage and in particular the titles of the articles that may appear in the US press about the issue. Will US duplicity create a positive effect for Indian policy?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

it's interesting to note the comments of US dept of state on the issue, as indeed is the coverage and in particular the titles of the articles that may appear in the US press about the issue. Will US duplicity create a positive effect for Indian policy?

It doesn't seem to have done so in the case of Israel, if by positive you mean to imply policy changes resulting in a resolution of the dispute.

 

[muse]

It doesn't seem to have done so in the case of Israel, if by positive you mean to imply policy changes resulting in a resolution of the dispute.

The US and Israel and the US and India have a strategic relationship - the US is also trapped in Afghanistan - so, we should look at statements by US department of state and we should look at what action the US may initiate in the UN.


An example of the duplicity of US policy is that it will not initiate any UN action - be 100% sure of this -- UN action for the US is to club so called Muslim majority regimes/states and India happily does not qualify.

 

[EjazR]

These protests were about the rumours of Quran burning and burning missonary schools and churches is condemnable since they have nothing to do with the act itself. These acts are unIslamic and are tantamount of punishing someone for the crime of someone else. The slogans were anti-US not anti-Indian in this bout of violence.

Hence the US condemning the rioters for burning churches or schools is natural. Similar senseless violence was seen in a town in Punjab as well.

US slams rioters in Kashmir, Punjab

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

These protests were about the rumours of Quran burning and burning missonary schools and churches is condemnable since they have nothing to do with the act itself. These acts are unIslamic and are tantamount of punishing someone for the crime of someone else. The slogans were anti-US not anti-Indian in this bout of violence.

Hence the US condemning the rioters for burning churches or schools is natural. Similar senseless violence was seen in a town in Punjab as well.

US slams rioters in Kashmir, Punjab

The one involving the burning of a Church might have been related to the Quran burning issue, but the article does not make clear the case behind the others.

The protests against Indian occupation and the Quran burning are going on simultaneously, so it can be hard to distinguish, and arguably the two might feed off each other.

 

[muse]

The slogans were anti-US not anti-Indian in this bout of violence.

What? Anti-US again? and yet the Indian killed 13 captive Kashmiri.

While the US slams the captive Kashmiri, what words of wisdom does it have for the Indian occupation forces?

 

[notsuperstitious]

The one involving the burning of a Church might have been related to the Quran burning issue, but the article does not make clear the case behind the others.

The protests against Indian occupation and the Quran burning are going on simultaneously, so it can be hard to distinguish, and arguably the two might feed off each other.

I agree, the religious angle is strongly mixed in the anti India protests. Its no coincidence these protests erupt every year when its time for the Amarnath yatra.

 

[muse]

Maybe the Indian will move this Yatra thing, given the sensitivity of the people. Perhaps move it to south India or something.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Maybe the Indian will move this Yatra thing, given the sensitivity of the people. Perhaps move it to south India or something.

How long will we keep giving in to these intolerant bunch? The Kashmiri Pundits have already been destroyed, its time to move these intolerant protesters somewhere else.

 

[muse]

Easy Fateh, no reason to lose your cool.

So where are you guys move this Yatra thing?

 

[EjazR]

This bout of violence were 12 protesteors were shot to prevent further targeting of Christian minorities was specifically around Quran desecration that was shown by an Iranian TV channel. Otherwise just a day back government buildings were burnt and security forces exercised maximum restraint during much larger anti-Indian protests after Eid prayers. Not a single casualty was reported even though crores of property and local power dept. buildings were destroyed.

Kashmirsi are captive if they want to go around burning government property, schools and churches. If they want to peacefully protest against HR violations then rest of India will support them.

And of the 13th Kashmiris who died one was a local J&K policeman. Pakistanis seem to refuse to acknowledge the fact that the policemen firing are locals themselves.

The protesters chanted "Down with Quran desecrators," and protest leaders denounced the alleged desecration in speeches to the crowds.

There were also shouts of "Down with America" and "Down with Israel" — rarely heard in Kashmir, where anger is normally only directed at India.

As the protests worsened, the station was removed from local cable networks at the insistence of Kashmiri authorities.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Police said these demonstrations, attended by thousands in western Kashmir, quickly turned into separatist protests against the Indian central government — a day after authorities slapped a curfew on much of the restive Himalayan region.

Thirteen killed in India Kashmir, Koran protests | Reuters

 

[EjazR]

Easy Fateh, no reason to lose your cool.

So where are you guys move this Yatra thing?

Why sould it be moved when the local Kashmiris are against moving it?
Even Geelani says that he is not against the Yatra.

It has a history of thousands of years. You do know that Kashmiris were all hindus before they coverted to Islam and hence a lot of their sacred places still exist there.