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Actually these all are home made flags with hands stiching. ofcourse you cannot go and just buy Pakistan's flag in any bazar in IOK like we get in pakistan. So ignore the flag's condition just feel the emotions of the flag carriers.:pakistan:

Yeah I know bro. Was just countering some dumb answers by some Indians.

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Any solution to the current problems will be along these lines, especially if MMS backs it vocally - that's from an Indian POV. But a realistic solution nonetheless.

The indecision and mess within Congress on how to handle the situation is allowing this to spiral out of control. I don't see the need to announce 'packages' on symbolic days like Eid, just speak to the separatists and get things moving!

Yes, i think its high time we split Indian Controlled Kashmir into 2 separate states:
1) Jammu and Ladakh
2) Kashmir

Jammu and Ladakh have shown that they want to be part of India, and seprating these two regions from the valley will further consolidate our position there. And it will enable easier administration and development of these areas.

As for the Kashmir valley, it should be process of winning the hearts and minds. More economic development and schools are needed. also, the security forces should be better trained and disciplined. if the people have a genuine problem with the forces stationed there, its our duty to alleviate those concerns as much as possible.

Right now, Kashmir is not feeling the economic bloom that the rest of India is. We have to bring that bloom into Kashmir. SHOW them that they can benefit with India. SHOW the youth what they stand to gain by integration. That should be our long term Kashmir policy.
 
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India Mulls Diluting Army Powers in Kashmir

NEW DELHI, Sept 13, 2010 (AFP) - The Indian government was set Monday to decide whether to partially lift a 20-year-old emergency law in the restive region of Kashmir in an attempt to break an escalating cycle of violence.

Security forces again enforced a strict curfew in Kashmir's main town of Srinagar during the day and another protester was shot dead in Bandipora district, in the north of the Muslim-majority region.

A total of 72 protesters and bystanders have been killed by security forces since June 11 when large street protests against Indian rule began, with each new death sparking a new cycle of violence.

Officials said Prime Minister Manmohan Singh would meet with senior ministers in New Delhi on Monday evening to decide whether to lift the Armed Forces Special Powers Act in four districts of the region.

The act was passed in 1990 soon after an insurgency against New Delhi rule erupted in the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley.

It gives Indian army and paramilitary troops sweeping powers to open fire, search houses, detain suspects and confiscate property, as well as protecting soldiers from prosecution.

Human rights groups have long campaigned against the legislation, which they say encourages abuses by the security forces and fails to meet international standards.

Kashmir chief minister Omar Abdullah has urged the government to withdraw the act, but has met with strong resistance from the Indian military.

Monday's curfew in Srinagar was called to prevent a planned separatist march to a small UN office that houses staff monitoring ceasefire violations along the Line of Control dividing Indian- and Pakistani-controlled Kashmir.

Barbed wire and iron barriers were erected to seal off the office in Srinagar, the summer capital of Indian Kashmir.

"A strict curfew is in force and action will be taken against violators," police announced in loud-speakers fitted to vehicles.
 
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regardless of the intentions of the GOI ....this move will convince the separatists that the Indian government is weak kneed and can be easily manipulated by organizing protests at will .....an absolutely fallacious move based on an ineffectual strategy.....UPA government has no concrete vision for kashmir....
 
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Srinagar, Sep 13: Protests in Kashmir suddenly took a new turn Monday with people in some areas taking to streets shouting anti-US slogans against reported desecration of holy Qur’an there. A mob also set ablaze a missionary school building during the protests.

Police has opened fire at least at two places on the protesters leaving scores injured.

Protesters shifting their anger from India to US staged demonstrations at Shalimar and Humhama in the city and in Budgam, Magam and Tangmarg areas.

Protests began after Iran based Press TV Sunday night relayed the news that a copy of the Holy Quran had been burned in the US.
Unusually, the processions today did not see any anti-India or pro-freedom slogans.

Chanting anti-US and pro-Islam slogans people marched in defiance of curfew and later clashed with paramilitary forces.

Central forces fired at protesters in Shalimar and Humhama resulting in injuries to at least 20 people. Two of the injured have reportedly received serious injuries.

Police used tear smoke shells to disperse a mob outside Police station Parimpora. Three persons Zahoor Ahmad, Muzaffar Ahmad and Bilal Ahmad Tantray were injured in the police action.

In Tangmarg mobs set ablaze branches of prestigious Tyndale Biscoe and Malinson Schools. The school founded in 1880 is the oldest educational institutions in Kashmir. The school was originally started by Christian missionaries to Kashmir and Tangmarg branch was opened only a few years back.

Qura'an Protests Spill Over To Valley, Biscoe Branch Set Ablaze
 
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@ejaz really did they condemn the killings?
While ur media says they r paid 500 rs each by ISI
They are addicts high on cocaine or heroine ISI sends.
They need holidays etc. etc..
When people like arundhati roy says give them FREEDOM u guys start abusing... calling her crackhead b,,,,, or s...

U guys truely have 2 faces.

HAve you been following the Indian media or just making your opinions based on forum comments.

People from all over India have condemened HR violations. Chidambaram himself said that there are atleast 18 deaths that are undergoing investigations that were uncalled for.
And it is almost unanimous that Pakistan is now irrerelavant in the dispute. Unless you have not follwed the Indian media you woudlnt know that.

I think in this forum itself there are links to various talks shows that had the locals youths participating and expressing their opinions and you will see what I mean.

I can't beheld accountable if Pakistani media is not showing the true picture of what the Indian media is showing.
 
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Yes, i think its high time we split Indian Controlled Kashmir into 2 separate states:
1) Jammu and Ladakh
2) Kashmir

Jammu and Ladakh have shown that they want to be part of India, and seprating these two regions from the valley will further consolidate our position there. And it will enable easier administration and development of these areas.

As for the Kashmir valley, it should be process of winning the hearts and minds. More economic development and schools are needed. also, the security forces should be better trained and disciplined. if the people have a genuine problem with the forces stationed there, its our duty to alleviate those concerns as much as possible.

Right now, Kashmir is not feeling the economic bloom that the rest of India is. We have to bring that bloom into Kashmir. SHOW them that they can benefit with India. SHOW the youth what they stand to gain by integration. That should be our long term Kashmir policy.
I more or less follow your take on this buddy, but MMS has just mentioned 'the need for talks for those that abjure violence', and no repeal of AFSPA in certain areas (which had been expected). In short, that's no change and a continuation of the previous line. Can the separatists and others look at that and expect progress?

So the question is: Is GoI doing enough to 'win the hearts and minds?'. They're treading so slowly (difficult with the Army against any climbdown on AFSPA), but can a breakthrough be achieved with what is effectively a stalemate?

The worrying angle from an GoI perspective is that pre-Eid, there was a noticeable lull in protests for around 2 weeks. Things had died down, and the talk of many here that 'protests will all fall away after a month or so' seemed to be true. I mean, that's what we've witnessed through previous summers. But then the fire, the anger, the protests realight, as we saw on Eid.

Was it the slow response of the GoI during that pre-Eid lull that is to blame? Are the separatists so confident that they see no reason to take their foot of the gas?

There does seem to be a different dynamic this summer to the protests, one where a solution just doesn't seem to be in sight to quell the huge unrest.

So coming back to the survey, if we're going to treat the Valley as we say, then something needs to happen to get us there. Both the GoI and the separatists are detatched as ever.
 
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Two thirds in Indian Kashmir want independence: poll
Two thirds in Indian Kashmir want independence: poll - Yahoo! News



NEW DELHI, India (AFP) – About two thirds of residents in India-administered Kashmir want independence for their region, with less than one in ten seeking a merger with Pakistan, a survey showed Sunday.

The Kashmiri region is administered separately by India and Pakistan, with the Indian part subject to an insurgency and violent separatist movement for the last 20 years that has claimed an estimated 47,000 lives.

The poll, conducted for the Sunday Hindustan Times newspaper, showed that 66 percent of respondents in the Kashmir valley wanted "complete freedom to entire Jammu and Kashmir as a new country".

Jammu and Kashmir is the far northwestern state of India that includes the violence-wracked Muslim-majority Kashmir valley, the Hindu-majority region of Jammu and the mostly Buddhist Ladakh area.

Only six percent in Kashmir, where street violence flared again on Sunday, wanted a "complete merger of the entire Jammu and Kashmir in Pakistan."

The desire for independence for the state is not shared in the Jammu and Ladakh parts however, where 76 percent and 70 percent wanted a "complete merger" of the state into India.

Kashmir has a special status under the Indian constitution and was initially autonomous after partition of the subcontinent in 1947, though much of its autonomy has slowly been eroded.

The poll was conducted by Team CVoter and canvassed 2,369 people.

Respondents were also asked who was to blame for a current wave of unrest in the Kashmir area where young stone-throwers have clashed with security forces for the last three months.

Seventy protesters and bystanders -- some children -- have been killed, mostly by security forces who have fired on demonstrations.

In Kashmir, 56 percent blamed India for the unrest, while 44 percent of those asked in the "rest of India" thought neighbour and implacable foe Pakistan was responsible for stirring up trouble.

Majorities in all areas agreed that Indian forces should not use bullets against protesters, with 96 percent saying it was wrong in Kashmir, and 85 percent in the rest of India.

Two thirds thought it was wrong in Jammu, while 31 percent said it was acceptable.

On Sunday, Indian police fired shots and used teargas to control young Kashmiris who defied a strict curfew and separately attacked the residence of a senior local minister, police said.

The guards of Kashmir Education Minister Peerzada Mohammad Sayeed, who was unhurt, opened fire and lobbed teargas in southern Kokernag village to repulse an attack by stone-throwing protesters, a police spokesman said.

In the summer capital of Srinagar, scores of young men defied a curfew and held noisy demonstraions at two places, prompting security forces to fire teargas canisters and warning shots.

"One person has been brought here with head injuries," a doctor at Srinagar's main hospital said, asking not to be named.

Meanwhile, police filed a case against moderate separatist leader Mirwaiz Umar Farooq over the burning of a government building allegedly by a mob during a protest rally on Saturday that he was leading.

He denied involvement. Other separatists blamed "anti-movement elements" for setting fire to the building and called for a probe into the arson.

Police said they had imposed a curfew on Sunday to prevent further violence.

The Muslim-majority Kashmir region has been fought over by India and Pakistan since the partition of British-ruled India in 1947, with the region now cut in two along a UN-monitored line of control.

If India is a democracy (Like she claims) then she should let Kasmir choose her own faith (fate).
 
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SRINAGAR, India, Sept 13, 2010 (AFP) - Seven protesters and a policeman were killed Monday in Indian Kashmir in the most deadly day of violence since mass demonstrations against Indian rule began three months ago, police said.

A policeman and three protesters were killed during fierce clashes in central Budgam district, while another three died in western Tangmarg village after a mob torched a church-run school, local police officials told AFP.

An eighth man died in northern Bandipora district after security forces opened fire at stone-hurling protesters who were chanting slogans in support of Kashmiri independence.

SRINAGAR, India, Sept 13, 2010 (AFP) -

Twelve protesters and a policeman were killed Monday in Indian Kashmir in the most deadly day of violence since mass demonstrations against Indian rule began three months ago, police said.

Recent separatist protests were further fuelled by rage about the desecration of the Koran in Washington on Saturday when a small group of Christians were filmed tearing pages from the holy book, police said.

A policeman and five locals were killed during fierce clashes in central Budgam district, while another five died in western Tangmarg village where a mob torched a church-run school, police officials told AFP.

Another man died in northern Bandipora district after security forces opened fire at stone-hurling protesters, while the twelfth victim was killed in southern Pampore town.
 
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If India is a democracy (Like she claims) then she should let Kasmir choose her own faith (fate).
Why do you make it sound so simple?

The notion that a plebiscite is going to be held WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Get over it and deal with the situation as it stands.

The issues lie predominantly in the Valley. It's not about Kashmir as a whole. A solution must be found there, but that means less foot-dragging by the GoI and a greater desire to talk and produce tangible actions on the ground.
 
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Well there are muslim majority districts in Jammu andcomprise almost 30% of the population. Similarly Ladakh is almost 45% mostly shia muslims.

The results of the survey are not new. It is the same results that we are seeing since the 2008 www.peacepolls.org or the Chatham house opinion survey.

Thankyou for the breakdown........but i think my opinion holds true that the muslims dont want india while the hindus do.
 
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India May Roll Back Security Laws In Bid to Ease Deadly Kashmir Protests

India may revoke from parts of Kashmir laws that empower security forces to use lethal force and arrest suspects without a warrant as it seeks to end the latest violent protests of a 21-year uprising.

Senior security officials and ministers are scheduled to meet in New Delhi today to consider repealing the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act from some regions of Kashmir in India’s northwest. An anti-India insurgency has killed at least 50,000 people in the Himalayan region since 1989. Demonstrations backing independence reignited in June when a police tear gas shell killed a young man.

Rolling back the Act “could be a good beginning to stem escalating violence,” said D. Suba Chandran, deputy director at the New Delhi-based Institute of Peace & Conflict Studies. Still, the Cabinet is “divided on what could be the starting point” for a sustained peace push, a process that would ultimately require giving Kashmiris greater autonomy, he said.

Pro-independence protesters in Kashmir, divided between India and Pakistan after independence from British rule in 1947, have defied curfews since the June killing. They have pelted police with stones, and burned offices and vehicles; police firing has killed at least 70 people.

Under the 1958 Act, army officers can order the use of firearms, detain suspects without a warrant and enter any building to carry out detentions in areas the government has declared “disturbed”. It was first applied to separatist-hit states in India’s northeast and extended to Kashmir in 1990.

‘Abusive Law’

Human Rights Watch in 2008 urged India to repeal the special laws, arguing they had violated fundamental freedoms for 50 years. “The Indian government’s responsibility to protect civilians from attacks by militants is no excuse for an abusive law,” Meenakshi Ganguly, its South Asia researcher, said in a report.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told police chiefs on Aug. 26 that security forces need to develop “non-lethal” measures to control violent crowds. Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram said Kashmir is caught in a “vicious cycle” of protest and police firing.

Singh today told army commanders that Kashmiri grievances had to be addressed and economic opportunities increased.

“Continuing tension in Kashmir is causing concern to all,” Press Trust of India quoted Defense Minister A.K. Antony as saying. “The Cabinet Committee on Security will discuss the situation in Kashmir seriously.”

The main federal opposition Bharatiya Janata Party said any dilution of powers given to the armed forces in Kashmir will allow separatists insurgents to step up their fight.

India has long accused Pakistan of supporting guerrillas targeting Kashmir. Pakistan says it offers only moral support to separatist groups.


India May Roll Back Security Laws In Bid to Ease Deadly Kashmir Protests - Bloomberg
 
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If India is a democracy (Like she claims) then she should let Kasmir choose her own faith (fate).

Democracy does not means compromising one's territorial integrity. Democracy means giving all the freedom to the citizens that is lawfully correct.

The only reason the valley people want separation from India is because of religion and that is totally an unacceptable cause. When the rest of the Muslim population can live peacefully, what issues do they have?

I am all for their cause, if it would have been just, but verily it is not.
 
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