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How Azad is `Azad Kashmir'

By Sultan Shaheen


If you want to study the situation in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and cannot go to even the minuscule part of this region designated as `Azad Kashmir', the best place to go to is England. Bradford, Birmingham, Nottingham, Luton, Slough and Southall are perhaps even better sources of information about the *** than Muzaffarabad, Mirpur, Bagh Rawalakot and Kotli. For the Kashmiris living in Britain breathe free air that it not much available in the so-called Azad Kashmir. Even if you so much as apply for a job you have to sign an affidavit saying you believe in the ideology of "Kashmir banega Pakistan" (Kashmir will become Pakistan).

Aaahhhh, another Indian sourced Solid Evidence backed piece of art.

Strange this is, i have a new guy just recruited in my org and he is a Kashmiri and i got all his personal / official papers signed infront of me, i didn't saw any that kashmir related Affidavit in them.

Useless to even counter the numerous misconceptions / propagandist lies mentioned as this is Indian solid evidence which is irrefutable.

Indians really really do believe in whatever is written by their own.

Good for Indians.
 
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No intent of that sort at all. Its a pretty foregone conclusion that anything of this sort happening in India and Pakistan automatically gets blames on ISI and RAW respectively. Isnt it?

Sorry, but the intent was pretty much to derail it.

The news item is very clear about the cause of the violence, thus it was very idiotic of mentioning the RAW thing.

Anyway, i can sense the frustration, it happens, Indian members rarely get a chance to rejoice on news items such like that, compared to the ones we have to hear from IOK.
 
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How free is my Valley?

Saadia Gardezi (The Friday Times, Pakistan)

The “Azad” in AJK smacks of oxymoronic rhetoric. Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) is neither a free territory, nor a province of Pakistan. Muzaffarabad has always been under the control of Islamabad and the curtailment of the freedom of expression is constitutionally protected. Without meaning to refer to the new name just bestowed on an old province, let me ask, what’s in a name?

Here is what.

There are a number of reports that describe the human rights violations in Indian Occupied Kashmir but it is hard to come by reports of violations on Pakistan’s side. The Pakistani government often pretends that the only problems faced by Kashmiris are in India. The official position that there are no human rights violations in AJK is a naïve and disingenuous position that needs to be challenged. According to the Freedom House World Freedom Reports, in 2008 Pakistan-administered Kashmir was given the status “Not Free”. This index awards a score of 1 to a “free country” based on ratings of political rights and civil liberties. These ratings are averaged, ranging from 1 to 7, i.e. countries or disputed territories with scores from 1 to 2.5 are considered Free, 3 to 5 are Partly Free, and 5.5 to 7 are Not Free. In 2008, this index gave AJK a Political Rights Score of 7 and a Civil Liberties score of 5. The scores for AJK have improved to a 6 and a 5 respectively in 2010. In comparison, Indian Occupied Kashmir has better scores of 5 for political rights and a 4 for civil liberties, and a status of ‘partly free’, which ironically is exactly equivalent to Pakistan’s national score and status!

According to Brad Adams, Asia Director at Human Rights Watch , the “Pakistani authorities govern Azad Kashmir with strict controls on basic freedoms… The military shows no tolerance for dissent and practically runs the region as a fiefdom.” The presence of an elected local government is a mere formality. In 2006, Human Rights Watch (HRW) reported that the federal government in Islamabad, the army and the ISI control all aspects of political life in AJK. Torture is routinely used in Pakistan, and this practice is also common in AJK. HRW also documented incidents of torture by the intelligence services and other agencies and individuals acting at the behest of the security establishment but knows of no cases in which members of military and paramilitary security and intelligence agencies have been prosecuted or even disciplined for acts of torture or mistreatment.


The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) has also articulated tight controls on freedom of expression as a key pillar of government policy in AJK. While militant organizations promoting the incorporation of Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir State into Pakistan have had free reign to propagate their views, groups promoting an independent Kashmir find their speech curtailed. Publications and literature favouring independence are banned.

Pakistan has prevented the creation of an independent media in the territory through bureaucratic restrictions and coercion. Looking at the freedom of expression in AJK, before 2005, the only radio allowed to operate was the Azad Kashmir Radio, a subsidiary of Radio Pakistan. Similarly before the earthquake telephone landlines were limited and being strictly monitored and a very limited mobile telephone service was operational. HRW reports that all telecommunications stations were controlled by the Special Communications Organization (SCO), a functional unit of the Pakistani army. Only after the earthquake did the government allow private mobile phone companies to operate in Azad Kashmir when it was pointed out that the loss of life could have been lessened had people and rescue workers had this technology as they did in affected areas in NWFP (as it was then called).

It has been widely reported that refugees from Jammu and Kashmir are discriminated against and mistreated by the authorities. Kashmiri refugees and former militants from India, most of whom are secular nationalists and culturally and linguistically different from the people of AJK, are particularly harassed through continuous surveillance, arbitrary beating and arrests and restraints on political expression. Pakistani military bases in AJK are usually placed in close proximity to highly populated civilian areas supposedly because of a lack of space. But many Kashmiris told HRW that the Pakistani military uses the bases to keep a close watch on the population to ensure political compliance and control.

Freedoms of association and assembly are restricted and constitutionally repressed. Article 4(7)(2) of the Azad Jammu and Kashmir Interim Constitution Act of 1974, states: ‘No person or party in Azad Jammu and Kashmir shall be permitted to propagate against, or take part in activities prejudicial or detrimental to, the ideology of the States accession to Pakistan’. In recent years anti-government demonstrations have been violently suppressed and examples of these incidents are not hard to find. In 2005, at least ten people were killed when the police fired on a group of Shia students, after which curfews were imposed in Gilgit to prevent demonstrators from assembling. In 2006 police detained leaders of the Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front, including Amanullah Khan, after they attended a peaceful rally in Rawalpindi against the construction of the Bhasha Dam. Khan was detained for a week and was not permitted to receive visitors during that time, according to the U.S. State Department’s human rights report. In October 2008, police baton-charged dozens of people demonstrating against the proposal to move the capital of Azad Kashmir from Muzaffarabad. Three people were arrested but released the same day. In November 2008, the police blocked activists of the pro-independence APNA who were protesting in favor of truck services across the line-of-control from entering a town near the line-of-control.

In 2007, the European Union (EU) passed Emma Nicholson’s Kashmir report with an overwhelming majority and adopted it as an official EU document. This kind of report sits squarely in the grey area of the AJK problem. It has been touted in the media as being anti-Pakistan and there are Kashmiris who find it pro-Kashmiri rights and some call it dubious. The key problem with this report is that it fails to acknowledge Indian repression in Kashmir and portrays a benign image of a “pro-people” India.

The EU report titled ‘Present situation and future prospects’ was critical of the fact that the Pakistan side of Kashmir was governed through the Ministry of Kashmir Affairs in Islamabad, that Pakistan officials dominated the Kashmir Council. This report also highlighted the facts that at the time the Chief Secretary, the Inspector-General of Police, the Accountant-General and the Finance Secretary were all from Pakistan. Nicholson disapproved of the provision in the 1974 Interim Constitution, which forbids any political activity that is not in accordance with the doctrine of Jammu and Kashmir as articulated by Pakistan, and obliges any candidate for a parliamentary seat in AJK to sign a declaration of loyalty to that effect.

Looking at the rule of law, the whole system of law and order seemingly rests on the control by the army and Islamabad. A clear illustration was given at the time of the 2005 earthquake when the AJK governmental structure collapsed. Analysts noted how, in the aftermath of 2005 earthquake the local government system was exposed. To quote Akbar Zaidi, “the local government system and its elected bodies are part of the rubble along with the entire physical infra-structure of the area.”

Due to the limited mandate of the AJK Legislative Assembly, the elected political leaders of Azad Kashmir essentially remain ostensible heads of the territory while the real power resides in Islamabad with the Ministry of Kashmir and Northern Areas (KANA). Naturally this requires an obedient AJK administration. Since the early 1990s, the decision-making authority and management of the Kashmir issue has been under the Pakistan military, the ISI and ISI backed militant organizations.

In this unique case of “self-rule”, under the constitution, the elected representatives are acquiescent to the Kashmir Council controlled by Islamabad. The High Court and Supreme Court Judges can only be appointed by approval of the Ministry of Kashmir Affairs in Islamabad. The Minister of Kashmir Affairs can dismiss the Prime Minister, as can the Chief Secretary – another Islamabad appointee. Under Article 56, the President of Pakistan can dissolve the Legislative Assembly.

Adding to the already dismal situation of human rights in AJK is the instability of the Northern Areas and the migration of these people into AJK. It can be argued that the appropriation of land in the Northern Areas by non-Kashmiri migrants with the tacit encouragement of the federal government and army has diminished economic opportunities for the local population. An externality of this has been an increase in sectarian tension between the majority Shia Muslims and the growing numbers of Sunnis in AJK and 2009 and 2010 have seen increasing tension and sectarian violence.

So is the human rights and law and order situation of AJK worse than that at the east of the line of control? Answers can range from “yes” to “maybe” to “no”. The truth is that this is a loaded question, and this sort of a comparison is hard to make. Reports and perspectives of AJK from the Indian side refer to AJK as Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. It is indeed true that there is a lack of consideration of human rights on both sides. Yet the facts are blurred by the political biases of both sides, and neutral reports become emotionally charged. External reporting by international watchdogs like Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch are a step behind. Research by organizations like the HRCP and reporting by local news channels is only just making headway.

The 2006 Human Rights Watch report on Kashmir quotes a Muzaffarabad resident, “Pakistan says they are our friends and India is our enemy. I agree India is our enemy, but with friends like these, who needs enemies?”

AJK is yet to operate as a ‘free’ territory given the way we control it. Yet, understandably, we are loathe to accept this reality and our mainstream media is usually silent about this. Our rhetoric on AJK remains inflated and questionable.


'How free is my valley' from TFT

 
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you fail to convince!

things will change for the better when occupational forces withdraw, and hindustan finally matures enough to the point where they will realize that granting occupied Kashmiris the existential right to self-determination is the only way forward --once hindustan did that, Pakistan would be compelled to do the same, even though we have no such protests on our side


iOK is a very artificial relationship....the people have no love or affection for hindustan, and it shows via the images and news reports coming out from there


and on that note, i commend the journalists who are covering and documenting the abuses being committed by the sissies

Absolute BS....there are NY Times articles and interviews with Kashmiris in the Pak part that clearly show their discontent with Pakistan. Their solution seems to have been to entirely migrate out of kashmir to other countries (asylum seekers in Britain is heavy among Pak kashmiris according to the NY Times article). Right now, POOR Kashmirs on both sides of the border are being exploited by Pak Army, ISI and the so-called separatist leaders. There are lots of forces at play here including feudal and religious forces. The solution is not simple. But I definitely feel a lot for the POOR Kashmiris, not the ones who emigrated or have their kids and money here in the US. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Parts of India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are victims of extreme manipulation by world and local powers and local moneyed, feudal folks. Absence of strong local systems have made these areas into lawless, ungoverned, exploited societies. The need of the hour is for South Asia to empower its people in different regions. If a solution needs to be extended to Kashmir, it must be extended to every other culturally, ethnically similar regions in all of South Asia. It is better to have a federation of largely independent states rather than for the current federations such as India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka to cry that the other federation is bad. Empower every section of South Asia. If Kashmir's independence does not help solve that problem, no one in the world will support it. There are enough problems to handle already without the presence of several more administrations in the UN stalling more efforts at global peace and progress. Religion, Nationalistic movements are ALL secondary to the progress and prosperity of humanity. My opinion is that the partition of India in 1947 was a grave error which has led to a deterioration of progress and prosperity for the peoples of South Asia. It is appalling that people have used religion as the raison d'etra for a federation to demerge instead of looking at building a constitution for the federation that promotes rule of law, equal opportunity for everyone and reward for innovation and entrepreneurship.
 
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Sorry, but the intent was pretty much to derail it.

The news item is very clear about the cause of the violence, thus it was very idiotic of mentioning the RAW thing.

Anyway, i can sense the frustration, it happens, Indian members rarely get a chance to rejoice on news items such like that, compared to the ones we have to hear from IOK.

Well, about intent, you are entitled to your opinion and free to act on it as you see fit. I can only state my intent. Its upto you to believe it or not.

About cause of violence, well, there are similar causes highlighted by multiple sources for other things that get blamed on RAW. How could this be different. If this mess lasts for some more time, both you and I will see the accusations that start flying.

About frustration, if I rejoiced innocent people getting killed in violent incidents in Pakistan, all i need to do is to go to the website of any Pakistani newspaper everyday to get my fill. There is enough of that happening in that part of the world. Fortunately, I dont get my kicks from such news.
 
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well! those seperatists arent outsiders, they are Kashmiri citizens....you arent.

therefore what you have to say about them, or for them is irrelevant at this point.

So are you by any chance a Kashmiri...?? ;)

Perhaps over a longer period of time the occupational forces will lose the will to keep their artificial hold over lands (and people) that are not indian, have no loyalty/affiliation to hindustan

it makes no sense to try to control people that genuinely hate the occupation

Time will tell.:cheers:

We stay in Kashmir - last man,last bullet,last rupee and neither of these three is coming anytime sooner or later.
 
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Do I need to convince anybody.?:no:

absolutely not

but if you want outside people to respect your views or take any of what you said into consideration, then giving a cogent and convincing answer would be wise

me personally, i couldnt care less what you have to say since none of it is a mind-boggling breakthrough of any sort....just the usual hindstany rhetoric i've grown to get bored of

you say ''realities are changing''

for better, or for worse ;)

Why do you wait for evil Hindoostan to do it..? After all you are the land of the pure..Why dont you lead us,lesser mortals, by example and declare P0K as a sovereign nation.?

let there be a referendum first

AZAD Kashmir already is running its own affairs for the most part, with some Pakistani support obviously. They have their own independent govt and constitution

I dont see any mass protests there.......worlds away from the sad realities across the LoC


Frankly who cares about the separatists.?

of course you dont....but they exist, and they are large in numbers

We are there for safeguarding those who are proud to call themselves Indians

Look out for your own countrys interests. From a saffron perspective, it's the noble thing to do. I dont have any qualms about it.

Dont oppress Kashmiris and label them something they themselves say they are not. Dont expect to laathi-charge occupied peoples, then expect them to embrace you.


and ofcourse guard that strategic piece of real-estate.

replace 'guard' with suppress, oppress and/or humiliate then you would have your answer
 
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So are you by any chance a Kashmiri...?? ;)

from my mother's side, we have Kashmiri blood. Late grandfather hailed from district Neelum.

what about you my dravidian friend

Time will tell.:cheers:

it always does


We stay in Kashmir - last man,last bullet,last rupee and neither of these three is coming anytime sooner or later.

your 'men' bullets and wrinkled rupee notes arent changing any realities in occupied Kashmir --definitely not in your favour, i must say
 
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Indian gov should give financial incentive to kashmiri people who over planning to move to pakistan. They are making hell of the people who want to live in peaceful.
 
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This is not the first time when these leaders are arrested by India. What has that resulted the past 200 times you did that? If you kill a leader, you produce hundreds more. Mahatma Gandhi was killed, but has his followers diminished? A leader is more of an ideology than personality. Personalities come and go but Ideas exist survive and pass on generations after generations. Its the 3rd generation in Kashmir that is chanting slogans AZADI.
 
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Indian gov should give financial incentive to kashmiri people who over planning to move to pakistan. They are making hell of the people who want to live in peaceful.

Just organize a fund and i'll contribute.
Their can't be better use of money than helping a victim of terrorism.

Apparently Indian govt. cannot afford passport costs for such victims.
 
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from my mother's side, we have Kashmiri blood. Late grandfather hailed from district Neelum.

what about you my dravidian friend

I am fully an Indian..not "a part" in any way. ;)


your 'men' bullets and wrinkled rupee notes arent changing any realities in occupied Kashmir --definitely not in your favour, i must say

Our men are not firing any bullets mate..just tear gas shells with kid gloves.It just depends on these paid goons whether we have to take the kid gloves off or not.

BTW our "wrinkled" rupee note is worth more than twice as your "fresh-from-mint" Rupee. :smokin:
 
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This is not the first time when these leaders are arrested by India. What has that resulted the past 200 times you did that? If you kill a leader, you produce hundreds more. Mahatma Gandhi was killed, but has his followers diminished? A leader is more of an ideology than personality. Personalities come and go but Ideas exist survive and pass on generations after generations. Its the 3rd generation in Kashmir that is chanting slogans AZADI.

Ideology, I agree, does not get arrested or dies with the leader. But these arrests are not of ideological leaders. These guys getting arrested are the leaders of the band of thugs who were paralyzing the life in the valley. Here, you cut off the head of Medusa, the rest of the body follows..
 
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I am fully an Indian..not "a part" in any way. ;)

good, I'm happy for you.

Kashmiris aren't wholly-owned or 'part' hindustany.


Our men are not firing any bullets mate..

:rofl:

BULL-SHYTE


It just depends on these paid goons whether we have to take the kid gloves off or not.

i asked you for evidence to prove they are 'paid goons'

you still havent done it...

as for the ''gloves'' part, it would be wiser to do that on your naxalites and other rebel movements; Kashmir is a disputed territory and should be treated as thusly

BTW our "wrinkled" rupee note is worth more than twice as your "fresh-from-mint" Rupee. :smokin:

yet you'll never be able to buy the Kashmiris :smokin:
 
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India Deserves int'l pressure on Referendum in Kashmir[/Over fifty people were injured when CRPF troops and police burst teargas shells and opened fire upon protesters in Shopian. Hundreds of people after offering congregational Friday prayers at Jamai Masjid staged pro-freedom and anti-India demonstrations. They shouted, “We want freedom,” “Go India Go,” and other slogans.

ahhh yes, Shopian.

same place where those young girls were raped, and tossed in the river

incidents like that negate the need for ''ISI meddling''


yet the hindustanys prefer to use force and artificial strangle-hold over the existentialists
 
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