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yes they dont like but they neither like pakistan too and kashmiri pandits want their own land too called panum kashmir.
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Kashmiris are unfortunately rather fickle.
Two years back also, there was tremendous enthusiasm in the protests - however when the leaders asked the people to boycott the election, most of the people did not listen.
We need to be more serious in enforcing election boycotts.
Two years back also, there was tremendous enthusiasm in the protests - however when the leaders asked the people to boycott the election, most of the people did not listen.
We need to be more serious in enforcing election boycotts.
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btw, last few years, there has been more rioting in Karachi than in J&K..
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So whats the point?
There was a lot of protest inside india about oil price hike, can we put it in the same context aswell?
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Thanks for not looking into yester-century.....BTW the issue of plebiscite also doesnt need to be looked at as it belongs to the yester-millenium.
Be content with wat u have...and dont loose another half of ur country.
They too will be sent...dont worry..we r a billion to their 3 million...numbers on our side.
And if the situation becomes utterly desperate..then definitely article 370 will go away and in the next few months valley will be having a Hindu majority...
So no worries.
BTW by integral i meant the Land.....its up to the Kasmiris to decide wether they r Indians or not...I give two hoots to them.
Please worry abt ur "misguided Baluchis" rather than worrying abt a few "misguided Kashmiris".
U see there are misguided ppl on both sides...
Any source..? If its Moin Ansari link as u have given below..then pls dont bother..
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washingtonpost.com
In Kashmir, stone throwers face off with Indian security forces
SRINAGAR, INDIAN-ADMINISTERED KASHMIR -- One minute, a shaggy-haired 21-year-old is on the Internet, mixing brooding rock music with video footage of young Kashmiris protesting Indian control of this disputed Himalayan region. The next, he's out on the streets wielding a more traditional weapon: the stone.
THIS STORY
A message in a hail of stones
Audio: Kashmir's 'stone war' fueled by dissent
The latest outbreak of dissent here, dubbed "Kashmir's stone war," marks a shift in the mostly Muslim region's long-running struggle for autonomy. In a post-9/11, globalized world, Pakistan-backed separatists no longer roam the streets of this summer capital with guns. Instead, the heirs to the conflict are styling their discontent after cellphone images of the Palestinian uprising and its stone-throwing youths.
"If we take up arms, the world will call us terrorists. Stone pelting is the only way to fight for our freedom," said Sajid Shah, a.k.a. Lion of Allah, who was editing his videos in hiding Wednesday. "It makes India think. It makes the world think: What's happening in Kashmir? We will get our freedom with the stone."
In the past few weeks, the protests have grown deadly, with at least 15 young people killed when Indian security forces fired into crowds of stone throwers. The new tactic -- which India's Central Reserve Police Force chief, N.K. Tripati, has described as "gunless terrorism" -- is testing India's ability to manage dissent in the region and to protect its image as an aspiring superpower that hopes for a seat on the U.N. Security Council. Many Indians have said that the security forces should find safer methods of controlling teenagers who pelt them with stones.
"Indian forces were caught with their pants down by these stone throwers," said Ajay Sahni, executive director of New Delhi's Institute for Conflict Management. "The killings were pure incompetence. We had all the intelligence that this was being planned. We heard the chatter over the Internet and phones. Despite this, there wasn't an effective response, only a lethal one."
Not all of the victims were demonstrators. Some, like shawl embroiderer Fancy Jan, 25, were caught in crossfire. A stray bullet killed Jan when she was hanging a curtain in her home to block the tear gas. In addition, hundreds of Indian paramilitary troops and Kashmiri police officers have been injured, some with bloody gashes to their foreheads.
Organizing by texts
The cycle of the hurled stone and the bullet fired back grew so deadly that Omar Abdullah, chief minister of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, called last week for the Indian army to be deployed for the first time in more than a decade to assist state police and paramilitary forces. Curfews were imposed. The state even blocked text messages, which were used to organize the stone-throwing.
"For over 20 years, the security forces were conditioned to believe the biggest challenge was militancy," Abdullah said Wednesday. "Now it's youngsters hurling stones that whiz at them at 40 miles an hour. Obviously, the response has to be different."
Many Kashmiris say that Abdullah, India's youngest chief minister, forfeited popular support when he called in the Indian army to quell the protests.
Abdullah said he had no choice. "I sleep well at night," he said. "I would have rather called in the army than lost one more child."
Abdullah said his office is auditing the security forces' equipment and training them to deal with stone-pelting teenagers using more-advanced crowd-control techniques, such as sonic waves or stink bombs. Critics say he made similar promises last year but did not follow through.
"Just having pepper spray or protective gear for forces could have saved lives," said Praveen Swami, an expert on Kashmir who writes a column for the Hindu, a newspaper. "The real issue is the weakness of India's capabilities to handle law-and-order situations."
the most important aspect here is that WASHIGNTON POST NOW CALLED IT INDIAN ADMINISTERED KASHMIR NOT JAMMU-KASHMIR!!
In Kashmir, stone throwers face off with Indian security forces
SRINAGAR, INDIAN-ADMINISTERED KASHMIR -- One minute, a shaggy-haired 21-year-old is on the Internet, mixing brooding rock music with video footage of young Kashmiris protesting Indian control of this disputed Himalayan region. The next, he's out on the streets wielding a more traditional weapon: the stone.
THIS STORY
A message in a hail of stones
Audio: Kashmir's 'stone war' fueled by dissent
The latest outbreak of dissent here, dubbed "Kashmir's stone war," marks a shift in the mostly Muslim region's long-running struggle for autonomy. In a post-9/11, globalized world, Pakistan-backed separatists no longer roam the streets of this summer capital with guns. Instead, the heirs to the conflict are styling their discontent after cellphone images of the Palestinian uprising and its stone-throwing youths.
"If we take up arms, the world will call us terrorists. Stone pelting is the only way to fight for our freedom," said Sajid Shah, a.k.a. Lion of Allah, who was editing his videos in hiding Wednesday. "It makes India think. It makes the world think: What's happening in Kashmir? We will get our freedom with the stone."
In the past few weeks, the protests have grown deadly, with at least 15 young people killed when Indian security forces fired into crowds of stone throwers. The new tactic -- which India's Central Reserve Police Force chief, N.K. Tripati, has described as "gunless terrorism" -- is testing India's ability to manage dissent in the region and to protect its image as an aspiring superpower that hopes for a seat on the U.N. Security Council. Many Indians have said that the security forces should find safer methods of controlling teenagers who pelt them with stones.
"Indian forces were caught with their pants down by these stone throwers," said Ajay Sahni, executive director of New Delhi's Institute for Conflict Management. "The killings were pure incompetence. We had all the intelligence that this was being planned. We heard the chatter over the Internet and phones. Despite this, there wasn't an effective response, only a lethal one."
Not all of the victims were demonstrators. Some, like shawl embroiderer Fancy Jan, 25, were caught in crossfire. A stray bullet killed Jan when she was hanging a curtain in her home to block the tear gas. In addition, hundreds of Indian paramilitary troops and Kashmiri police officers have been injured, some with bloody gashes to their foreheads.
Organizing by texts
The cycle of the hurled stone and the bullet fired back grew so deadly that Omar Abdullah, chief minister of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, called last week for the Indian army to be deployed for the first time in more than a decade to assist state police and paramilitary forces. Curfews were imposed. The state even blocked text messages, which were used to organize the stone-throwing.
"For over 20 years, the security forces were conditioned to believe the biggest challenge was militancy," Abdullah said Wednesday. "Now it's youngsters hurling stones that whiz at them at 40 miles an hour. Obviously, the response has to be different."
Many Kashmiris say that Abdullah, India's youngest chief minister, forfeited popular support when he called in the Indian army to quell the protests.
Abdullah said he had no choice. "I sleep well at night," he said. "I would have rather called in the army than lost one more child."
Abdullah said his office is auditing the security forces' equipment and training them to deal with stone-pelting teenagers using more-advanced crowd-control techniques, such as sonic waves or stink bombs. Critics say he made similar promises last year but did not follow through.
"Just having pepper spray or protective gear for forces could have saved lives," said Praveen Swami, an expert on Kashmir who writes a column for the Hindu, a newspaper. "The real issue is the weakness of India's capabilities to handle law-and-order situations."
the most important aspect here is that WASHIGNTON POST NOW CALLED IT INDIAN ADMINISTERED KASHMIR NOT JAMMU-KASHMIR!!
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That's a strawman, trying to derail threads now are we?
Times of India, piece, you got to learn to filter out the obvious Indian bias about portraying the protesters as the villains here. But its obvious that the Indians are waking up to the futility of trying to control this revolt and will ultimately succumb the power of the people!
Youths enforce shutdown, streets deserted again in Kashmir - India - The Times of India
SRINAGAR: Streets wore a deserted look in Kashmir again with youths enforcing shutdown at many places as six people were injured in a clash between stone-pelters and police in the Valley on Saturday.
As the clock struck 2 pm, youths hit the roads forcing closure of businesses and shops and within minutes the markets wore a deserted look.
In some areas in Srinagar, shopkeepers who offered resistance were greeted with stones, official sources said. Earlier, schools and business establishments reopened in the morning as separatists asked people to resume their normal activities till 2 pm.
However, in Pulwama the markets opened for an hour with youths descending on the roads and hurling stones to enforce a shutdown, the sources said.
In Baramulla, 55-km from here, six people, including an assistant sub-inspector of police, were injured in a clash between stone-hurlers and police.
The clash ensued when police chased away some youths enforcing the strike, the sources said adding stones were also hurled at shops and passing vehicles in some areas in the city but no one was hurt.
The situation in the valley became tense on June 11 when a teenager was killed after he was allegedly hit by a teargas shell at Gani Stadium near Rajourikadal.
The situation worsened on June 26 and the authorities clamped curfew and promulgated prohibitory orders to foil a march, called by the separatists, to Sopore.
As the situation deteriorated further in the wake of killing of three persons in Batmaloo area in Srinagar, army was deployed.
On Friday, the authorities slapped curfew on several towns to thwart separatists' march to Batmaloo. People had also staged protests across the Valley.
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Colonel, two majors among 11 chargesheeted in Kupwara 'fake encounter' case - India - The Times of India
First sign of positivity from India, justice must be swift, this shouldn't be dragged on in the hopes that eventually people will forget about these 11.
More of the IA should be brought under the scrutiny of fake encounters. I propose that much like terrorism courts, India should set up Kashmir abuses courts and take responsibility for what it's soldiers have done to Kashmir.
Oh and Omar Abdullah must be charged as well. No justice in punishing the grunts, get rid of the boss.
First sign of positivity from India, justice must be swift, this shouldn't be dragged on in the hopes that eventually people will forget about these 11.
More of the IA should be brought under the scrutiny of fake encounters. I propose that much like terrorism courts, India should set up Kashmir abuses courts and take responsibility for what it's soldiers have done to Kashmir.
Oh and Omar Abdullah must be charged as well. No justice in punishing the grunts, get rid of the boss.
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It's a good step but more confidence building steps are necessary to help fill the trust deficit between GoI and the average Kashmiri, the sooner that is done, the sooner we can move towards a peaceful end to the Kashmir issue.
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Asim Bhai though Mirwaiz is One of biggest sepratist leaders in Kashmir It is the octogenarian Syed Ali shah Geelani who has worked hard to prepare people for this struggle . Just to add a lil bit of local prespective . I hope you wont mind
Its not the first time majors and other security officials have been punished or chargesheeted for HR violations. But thereis also no denying that many do go unpunished.
Infact, the reality is compared to some parts like Manipur andNagaland, the Kashmir HR situation is much better because there is always a spotlight on it.
The Machil encounter was a very clear case of criminal intent and conspiracy unlike say firings during riots. AFSPA only protects against civilians killed in crossfire for example when targeting militants, not this. But Defence ministry has to be 100% behind this for it to take the logical conclusion. Even then Justice is a slow process. It took one year to convict Kasab even though all the evidence was open to the public.
There is also another recent case in Anantnag where 3 youths were killed by the local police which also seems to be a cold blooded murder and mostlikely some serious charges will put on that as well.
Infact, the reality is compared to some parts like Manipur andNagaland, the Kashmir HR situation is much better because there is always a spotlight on it.
The Machil encounter was a very clear case of criminal intent and conspiracy unlike say firings during riots. AFSPA only protects against civilians killed in crossfire for example when targeting militants, not this. But Defence ministry has to be 100% behind this for it to take the logical conclusion. Even then Justice is a slow process. It took one year to convict Kasab even though all the evidence was open to the public.
There is also another recent case in Anantnag where 3 youths were killed by the local police which also seems to be a cold blooded murder and mostlikely some serious charges will put on that as well.
Stone pelting is last resort.
India will soon match stones with bullet and things will settle for ever. The time is nearing. If pakistan is concerned about kasmir people. Please extend open offer and take them. We don't need brainwashed and clueless people in India. It is lag in our development.
India will soon match stones with bullet and things will settle for ever. The time is nearing. If pakistan is concerned about kasmir people. Please extend open offer and take them. We don't need brainwashed and clueless people in India. It is lag in our development.
Life returns to normalcy in Valley but only for hours - Hindustan Times
Life in Kashmir Valley on Saturday returned to normal with schools and business establishments reopening and vehicles back on the roads for several hours after 21 days of strike but the relief was short-lived as separatists again enforced shutdown and clashed with police. Business markets, educational institutions and
private offices reopened and transport was plied on the roads across the Valley till 2pm. Traffic jams were witnessed on many roads in view of the heavy rush of people as curbs of curfew and prohibitory order were gone.
However, as the clock struck 2 in the afternoon, streets wore a deserted look again with youths enforcing shutdown at many places and clashing with police, leaving six persons injured.
Youths forced the closure of businesses and shops and within minutes the markets wore a deserted look. In some areas in Srinagar, shopkeepers, who offered resistance, were attacked with stones, official sources said.
In Baramulla, 55km from here, six people, including an Assistant Sub-Inspector of Police, were injured in a clash between stone-hurlers and police.
The clash erupted when police chased away some youths enforcing the strike, the sources said adding stones were also hurled at shops and vehicles in some areas in the city but no one was hurt.
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Enforcing strikes when the people don't want to is totally uncalled for. This is certainly to landyou in jail.
The situation in the valley became tense on June 11 when a teenager was killed after he was allegedly hit by a teargas shell at Gani Stadium near Rajourikadal.
Life in Kashmir Valley on Saturday returned to normal with schools and business establishments reopening and vehicles back on the roads for several hours after 21 days of strike but the relief was short-lived as separatists again enforced shutdown and clashed with police. Business markets, educational institutions and
private offices reopened and transport was plied on the roads across the Valley till 2pm. Traffic jams were witnessed on many roads in view of the heavy rush of people as curbs of curfew and prohibitory order were gone.
However, as the clock struck 2 in the afternoon, streets wore a deserted look again with youths enforcing shutdown at many places and clashing with police, leaving six persons injured.
Youths forced the closure of businesses and shops and within minutes the markets wore a deserted look. In some areas in Srinagar, shopkeepers, who offered resistance, were attacked with stones, official sources said.
In Baramulla, 55km from here, six people, including an Assistant Sub-Inspector of Police, were injured in a clash between stone-hurlers and police.
The clash erupted when police chased away some youths enforcing the strike, the sources said adding stones were also hurled at shops and vehicles in some areas in the city but no one was hurt.
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Enforcing strikes when the people don't want to is totally uncalled for. This is certainly to landyou in jail.
The situation in the valley became tense on June 11 when a teenager was killed after he was allegedly hit by a teargas shell at Gani Stadium near Rajourikadal.
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