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What credibility?
This is the same government that continues to blame Pakistani institutions for planning and executing the Mumbai attacks without a lick of evidence, and in the past repeatedly blamed Pakistani institutions for almost every single attack that occurred in India.
The IA is the same IA that made false claims of the PA torturing captured Indian soldiers during Kargil, and was exposed by some journalists in the Indian media itself.
The only 'credibility' you have is with people wishing to make a buck off you and will say 'ji ji' so long as they can keep making that buck, and even there its more of a 'looking the other way' than actual 'credibility'.
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AM, I can show several threads where you have supported JuD for its "work" and now the GoP has banned it. So lack of evidence is not holding you govt. back when Pak is under fire...
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Ideally saying GoI or people of India those elects them don't believe in conspiracy theories. These are always 180 degree away from truth and doesn't match with realities.
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We all would like to see the source to that claim, please. IIRC the torture claims were proven to be true.
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Protests in Indian Kashmir
Stony ground
A new round of anti-government unrest
Jul 8th 2010 | Srinagar
Street life in Srinagar
FOR the first time in more than a decade, the Indian army was called out this week on the streets of Srinagar, in the Indian-administered Kashmir valley, where 15 people have been killed during the past month. In earlier years people have died in the struggle between the security forces and a local insurgency backed by Pakistan-assisted militants. Now it is the local police and Indian paramilitary forces causing the deaths by firing guns and tear-gas shells at stone-throwing mobs. The protesters are young. The youngest to die was just nine.
This cycle of protests began on June 11th, when a 17-year-old youth was killed by a tear-gas shell near Srinagar’s main mosque, a focal point for protests. Police at first wrongly claimed the youth had been murdered to foment trouble, and Palaniappan Chidambaram, India’s home minister, blamed Pakistan for allowing militants to cross the “line of control” that divides Pakistani-controlled Kashmir and the Indian state of Jammu & Kashmir.
Anger at these claims helped spread protests across the Kashmir valley, leading to 11 deaths and several days of curfews and bandhs (politically inspired strikes) that crippled business and closed schools. Buses were burned and police posts attacked. There was a brief lull as separatist leaders advised people to go shopping to stock up for a week of planned demonstrations against the killings, and in favour of greater political autonomy.
The lull ended when two people were killed on July 6th. One drowned fleeing the security forces. The other, a 25-year-old woman, was hit by a stray bullet at the window of her home. Two more deaths followed on July 7th and anger increased when security forces beat people in funeral processions. This led to the army being called in to stage order-restoring marches through the worst-hit areas.
Stone-throwing emerged as the main form of Kashmiri protest in 2008, when more than 50 people died in unrest over land allocated for an annual pilgrimage to Amarnath, a Hindu shrine in a mainly Muslim area of the state. This pilgrimage regularly stokes Muslim-Hindu tensions, partly because of its increasing size—over 50,000 pilgrims are taking part this year.
But the underlying cause of the latest violence is the disenchantment of mostly jobless young people after two decades of street battles, bandhs, and curfews. They have been disappointed in hopes for both economic development and some form of autonomy from the government in Delhi.
The authorities both there and at the state level have been treating the protests as a continuation of the secessionist insurgency that began in 1989, and has been backed by Pakistan, which claims Kashmir. Militants are still infiltrating from Pakistan, but the protests now are primarily acts of civil disobedience. The organisers say they would be fairly peaceful if they were handled sensitively. Police officers, however, say that neither India’s paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force nor the state police have had post-insurgency training in how to control civilian mobs without killing protesters and bystanders.
State politics are making things worse. Mehbooba Mufti Sayeed, leader of the People’s Democratic Party, the main opposition in the state legislature, is encouraging demonstrations against the government and the security forces to embarrass the government and its weak chief minister, Omar Abdullah, of the National Conference party. A scion of the state’s leading political dynasty, Mr Abdullah became its youngest-ever chief minister early last year. But the new approach he promised has not materialised. His calls for a gentler touch have fallen on deaf ears.
Protests in Indian Kashmir: Stony ground | The Economist
Stony ground
A new round of anti-government unrest
Jul 8th 2010 | Srinagar
Street life in Srinagar
FOR the first time in more than a decade, the Indian army was called out this week on the streets of Srinagar, in the Indian-administered Kashmir valley, where 15 people have been killed during the past month. In earlier years people have died in the struggle between the security forces and a local insurgency backed by Pakistan-assisted militants. Now it is the local police and Indian paramilitary forces causing the deaths by firing guns and tear-gas shells at stone-throwing mobs. The protesters are young. The youngest to die was just nine.
This cycle of protests began on June 11th, when a 17-year-old youth was killed by a tear-gas shell near Srinagar’s main mosque, a focal point for protests. Police at first wrongly claimed the youth had been murdered to foment trouble, and Palaniappan Chidambaram, India’s home minister, blamed Pakistan for allowing militants to cross the “line of control” that divides Pakistani-controlled Kashmir and the Indian state of Jammu & Kashmir.
Anger at these claims helped spread protests across the Kashmir valley, leading to 11 deaths and several days of curfews and bandhs (politically inspired strikes) that crippled business and closed schools. Buses were burned and police posts attacked. There was a brief lull as separatist leaders advised people to go shopping to stock up for a week of planned demonstrations against the killings, and in favour of greater political autonomy.
The lull ended when two people were killed on July 6th. One drowned fleeing the security forces. The other, a 25-year-old woman, was hit by a stray bullet at the window of her home. Two more deaths followed on July 7th and anger increased when security forces beat people in funeral processions. This led to the army being called in to stage order-restoring marches through the worst-hit areas.
Stone-throwing emerged as the main form of Kashmiri protest in 2008, when more than 50 people died in unrest over land allocated for an annual pilgrimage to Amarnath, a Hindu shrine in a mainly Muslim area of the state. This pilgrimage regularly stokes Muslim-Hindu tensions, partly because of its increasing size—over 50,000 pilgrims are taking part this year.
But the underlying cause of the latest violence is the disenchantment of mostly jobless young people after two decades of street battles, bandhs, and curfews. They have been disappointed in hopes for both economic development and some form of autonomy from the government in Delhi.
The authorities both there and at the state level have been treating the protests as a continuation of the secessionist insurgency that began in 1989, and has been backed by Pakistan, which claims Kashmir. Militants are still infiltrating from Pakistan, but the protests now are primarily acts of civil disobedience. The organisers say they would be fairly peaceful if they were handled sensitively. Police officers, however, say that neither India’s paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force nor the state police have had post-insurgency training in how to control civilian mobs without killing protesters and bystanders.
State politics are making things worse. Mehbooba Mufti Sayeed, leader of the People’s Democratic Party, the main opposition in the state legislature, is encouraging demonstrations against the government and the security forces to embarrass the government and its weak chief minister, Omar Abdullah, of the National Conference party. A scion of the state’s leading political dynasty, Mr Abdullah became its youngest-ever chief minister early last year. But the new approach he promised has not materialised. His calls for a gentler touch have fallen on deaf ears.
Protests in Indian Kashmir: Stony ground | The Economist
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Kashmir streets under army lockdown to end protest
By AIJAZ HUSSAIN (AP) 6 hours ago
SRINAGAR, India Tens of thousands of soldiers patrolled the streets in Indian-controlled Kashmir on Thursday to enforce a rigid curfew aimed at ending weeks of violent anti-government protests.
Shops and schools were closed, streets ringed with barbed wire were deserted, the region's nearly 60 newspapers were unable to publish and even residents with special curfew passes were barred from going outside.
Despite the curfew, the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, an umbrella organization of separatist groups, issued a statement calling for more protests, saying, "Military measures will in no way be able to break the will of the people."
The tension in the Himalayan region divided between India and Pakistan was reminiscent of the late 1980s, when protests against Indian rule sparked an armed conflict that eventually killed more than 68,000 people, mostly civilians.
Residents say security forces have killed 15 people in the recent protests. The government's decision to send the army to quell the protests was intended to prevent them from spiraling out of control and igniting another insurgency.
"The army will be deployed as long as it is necessary, but I sincerely hope it will not be necessary for too long," Indian Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram said.
He appealed to residents to observe the curfew and to parents to keep their teenage sons who have been at the forefront of some of the violent protests indoors.
"It is important that people do not come into the street and start stone pelting," he said.
Indian army soldiers in armored vehicles and carrying assault rifles and machine guns drove Thursday through neighborhoods in Srinagar, the main city, in a show of force.
Col. Vineet Sood, an Indian army spokesman, said the soldiers were giving support to the local forces. "We are ready to move anywhere, anytime," he said.
However, there were risks that using the army instead of the police and paramilitary troops that usually deal with civil unrest could further inflame residents, who accuse the military of being a brutal occupying force.
"The army has always been India's first and last resort in handling Kashmir," Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, a key separatist leader, said in a statement. "Its ever-increasing presence in the state, whether in the barracks or on the streets, has been intended to consolidate its control over the territory and to intimidate people."
The Indian army is ubiquitous in Kashmir, but its operations are usually aimed at combating insurgents and it has not been used in crowd control since major street protests in 1990.
India and Pakistan have fought two wars over the region. India regularly accuses Pakistan of sending insurgents over the heavily militarized frontier to stir trouble and has blamed the recent protests on Pakistani-based militants bent on destabilizing India, a charge Pakistan denies.
Kashmiri separatists are demanding independence from Hindu-majority India or a merger with Muslim-majority Pakistan.
Even with the curfew in force, hundreds of doctors and other employees at the S.K. Institute of Medical Sciences, a government hospital in Srinagar, held a protest inside their compound, denouncing the restrictions and chanting anti-India slogans. Police and paramilitary troops later dispersed them, a police officer said on condition of anonymity, citing department policy.
On Wednesday night, thousands of protesters defied the restrictions and held street protests for several hours. Pro-independence songs rang out overnight from the public address systems of several mosques, as they had in the months before the insurgency broke out two decades ago. Troops did not intervene and no clashes broke out.
With authorities canceling curfew passes given to journalists, none of nearly 60 newspapers published from Srinagar hit the stands Thursday. Many reporters spent the night in their offices.
"Not allowing media persons to move and cover the situation is tantamount to banning the media," the Press Guild of Kashmir said, denouncing "curbs and the use of force against media persons."
The Associated Press: Kashmir streets under army lockdown to end protest
By AIJAZ HUSSAIN (AP) 6 hours ago
SRINAGAR, India Tens of thousands of soldiers patrolled the streets in Indian-controlled Kashmir on Thursday to enforce a rigid curfew aimed at ending weeks of violent anti-government protests.
Shops and schools were closed, streets ringed with barbed wire were deserted, the region's nearly 60 newspapers were unable to publish and even residents with special curfew passes were barred from going outside.
Despite the curfew, the All Parties Hurriyat Conference, an umbrella organization of separatist groups, issued a statement calling for more protests, saying, "Military measures will in no way be able to break the will of the people."
The tension in the Himalayan region divided between India and Pakistan was reminiscent of the late 1980s, when protests against Indian rule sparked an armed conflict that eventually killed more than 68,000 people, mostly civilians.
Residents say security forces have killed 15 people in the recent protests. The government's decision to send the army to quell the protests was intended to prevent them from spiraling out of control and igniting another insurgency.
"The army will be deployed as long as it is necessary, but I sincerely hope it will not be necessary for too long," Indian Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram said.
He appealed to residents to observe the curfew and to parents to keep their teenage sons who have been at the forefront of some of the violent protests indoors.
"It is important that people do not come into the street and start stone pelting," he said.
Indian army soldiers in armored vehicles and carrying assault rifles and machine guns drove Thursday through neighborhoods in Srinagar, the main city, in a show of force.
Col. Vineet Sood, an Indian army spokesman, said the soldiers were giving support to the local forces. "We are ready to move anywhere, anytime," he said.
However, there were risks that using the army instead of the police and paramilitary troops that usually deal with civil unrest could further inflame residents, who accuse the military of being a brutal occupying force.
"The army has always been India's first and last resort in handling Kashmir," Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, a key separatist leader, said in a statement. "Its ever-increasing presence in the state, whether in the barracks or on the streets, has been intended to consolidate its control over the territory and to intimidate people."
The Indian army is ubiquitous in Kashmir, but its operations are usually aimed at combating insurgents and it has not been used in crowd control since major street protests in 1990.
India and Pakistan have fought two wars over the region. India regularly accuses Pakistan of sending insurgents over the heavily militarized frontier to stir trouble and has blamed the recent protests on Pakistani-based militants bent on destabilizing India, a charge Pakistan denies.
Kashmiri separatists are demanding independence from Hindu-majority India or a merger with Muslim-majority Pakistan.
Even with the curfew in force, hundreds of doctors and other employees at the S.K. Institute of Medical Sciences, a government hospital in Srinagar, held a protest inside their compound, denouncing the restrictions and chanting anti-India slogans. Police and paramilitary troops later dispersed them, a police officer said on condition of anonymity, citing department policy.
On Wednesday night, thousands of protesters defied the restrictions and held street protests for several hours. Pro-independence songs rang out overnight from the public address systems of several mosques, as they had in the months before the insurgency broke out two decades ago. Troops did not intervene and no clashes broke out.
With authorities canceling curfew passes given to journalists, none of nearly 60 newspapers published from Srinagar hit the stands Thursday. Many reporters spent the night in their offices.
"Not allowing media persons to move and cover the situation is tantamount to banning the media," the Press Guild of Kashmir said, denouncing "curbs and the use of force against media persons."
The Associated Press: Kashmir streets under army lockdown to end protest
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Separatist leaders behind Kashmir violence
Separatist leaders behind Kashmir violence - India News - IBNLive
New Delhi: Leaders of separatist organisation Hurriyat Conference are behind the sudden spurt in incidents of stone pelting on security forces.
Intercepts of conversation between hardline leaders of Syed Ali Shah Geelani's Hurriyat faction which is with the Intelligence Bureau and has been accessed by CNN-IBN show that separatist leaders instigating the mob to indulge in stone pelting.
Two office-bearers of Hurriyat - Ghulam Ahmed Dar and Shabir Ahmed Wani - are caught on tape discussing getting 15 people killed in a procession that took place in Srinagar on Wednesday.
According to the transcript Dar was heard telling Wani that a procession of nearly 20,000 people had started from Magam and was going towards Budgam.
The intercept reveals Shabir Ahmed Wani telling Dar, "You guys enjoy payments sitting at home and do nothing." Dar, in his response, says "it gets difficult to manage the mob later." Dar then adds, "At least 15 people should be martyred today."
But PDP chief Mehbooba Mufti blames the state and Central Government for the violence.
"The state government is branding the people anti-national instead of providing a healing touch. We have got used to such leaks. Whenever there is trouble there are people who fish in troubled waters," she says.
Security and intelligence agencies have been claiming that stone pelting incidents are not spontaneous and separatist leaders are instigating the mobs.
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Separatist leaders behind Kashmir violence
Separatist leaders behind Kashmir violence - India News - IBNLive
New Delhi: Leaders of separatist organisation Hurriyat Conference are behind the sudden spurt in incidents of stone pelting on security forces.
Intercepts of conversation between hardline leaders of Syed Ali Shah Geelani's Hurriyat faction which is with the Intelligence Bureau and has been accessed by CNN-IBN show that separatist leaders instigating the mob to indulge in stone pelting.
Two office-bearers of Hurriyat - Ghulam Ahmed Dar and Shabir Ahmed Wani - are caught on tape discussing getting 15 people killed in a procession that took place in Srinagar on Wednesday.
According to the transcript Dar was heard telling Wani that a procession of nearly 20,000 people had started from Magam and was going towards Budgam.
The intercept reveals Shabir Ahmed Wani telling Dar, "You guys enjoy payments sitting at home and do nothing." Dar, in his response, says "it gets difficult to manage the mob later." Dar then adds, "At least 15 people should be martyred today."
But PDP chief Mehbooba Mufti blames the state and Central Government for the violence.
"The state government is branding the people anti-national instead of providing a healing touch. We have got used to such leaks. Whenever there is trouble there are people who fish in troubled waters," she says.
Security and intelligence agencies have been claiming that stone pelting incidents are not spontaneous and separatist leaders are instigating the mobs.
Separatist leaders behind Kashmir violence - India News - IBNLive
New Delhi: Leaders of separatist organisation Hurriyat Conference are behind the sudden spurt in incidents of stone pelting on security forces.
Intercepts of conversation between hardline leaders of Syed Ali Shah Geelani's Hurriyat faction which is with the Intelligence Bureau and has been accessed by CNN-IBN show that separatist leaders instigating the mob to indulge in stone pelting.
Two office-bearers of Hurriyat - Ghulam Ahmed Dar and Shabir Ahmed Wani - are caught on tape discussing getting 15 people killed in a procession that took place in Srinagar on Wednesday.
According to the transcript Dar was heard telling Wani that a procession of nearly 20,000 people had started from Magam and was going towards Budgam.
The intercept reveals Shabir Ahmed Wani telling Dar, "You guys enjoy payments sitting at home and do nothing." Dar, in his response, says "it gets difficult to manage the mob later." Dar then adds, "At least 15 people should be martyred today."
But PDP chief Mehbooba Mufti blames the state and Central Government for the violence.
"The state government is branding the people anti-national instead of providing a healing touch. We have got used to such leaks. Whenever there is trouble there are people who fish in troubled waters," she says.
Security and intelligence agencies have been claiming that stone pelting incidents are not spontaneous and separatist leaders are instigating the mobs.
---------- Post added at 11:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:20 PM ----------
Separatist leaders behind Kashmir violence
Separatist leaders behind Kashmir violence - India News - IBNLive
New Delhi: Leaders of separatist organisation Hurriyat Conference are behind the sudden spurt in incidents of stone pelting on security forces.
Intercepts of conversation between hardline leaders of Syed Ali Shah Geelani's Hurriyat faction which is with the Intelligence Bureau and has been accessed by CNN-IBN show that separatist leaders instigating the mob to indulge in stone pelting.
Two office-bearers of Hurriyat - Ghulam Ahmed Dar and Shabir Ahmed Wani - are caught on tape discussing getting 15 people killed in a procession that took place in Srinagar on Wednesday.
According to the transcript Dar was heard telling Wani that a procession of nearly 20,000 people had started from Magam and was going towards Budgam.
The intercept reveals Shabir Ahmed Wani telling Dar, "You guys enjoy payments sitting at home and do nothing." Dar, in his response, says "it gets difficult to manage the mob later." Dar then adds, "At least 15 people should be martyred today."
But PDP chief Mehbooba Mufti blames the state and Central Government for the violence.
"The state government is branding the people anti-national instead of providing a healing touch. We have got used to such leaks. Whenever there is trouble there are people who fish in troubled waters," she says.
Security and intelligence agencies have been claiming that stone pelting incidents are not spontaneous and separatist leaders are instigating the mobs.
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Any Iota of proof about the above statement. Aren't you just trolling ??
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So much for the Indian fella's here who were arguing with me the other day that Indian occupied Kashmir wanted to stay part of India. All the talk of integrity and foreign intrusion is plain BS. The fact is Kashmiri's don't want to do anything with India. They want freedom and God willing one day they will get it. A slap on the face of the world's largest democracy which intentionally and blatantly ignores Kasmir's basic demands. A 'democracy' that wont shy to blame others for its own problems and try to fool the world by sitting comfortably behind veil of 'victimisation' when its clearly the other way round. Reminds me of Obama's statement: You can put lipstick on a pig but it will still remain a pig!
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I guess these protests, stone throwing etc is the new challenge thrown at the administration by the separatists and their supporters and I think it's about time instead of soft pedaling the issue, the government should handle the matter China style, I fail to understand why is the state/central government so soft with these anti-national people
For long these people (separatists and their supporters) have been given the kid glove treatment and I believe it's time that Omar Abdullah government and the center deal with them with a heavy hand, after every stone throwing incidence the government should round up, book and throw the people who indulge in vandalism behind bars and don't release them untill their respective families bail them out with say 5,000 bucks and an undertaking that the same wont be repeated, the same thing is done else where in the country
For long these people (separatists and their supporters) have been given the kid glove treatment and I believe it's time that Omar Abdullah government and the center deal with them with a heavy hand, after every stone throwing incidence the government should round up, book and throw the people who indulge in vandalism behind bars and don't release them untill their respective families bail them out with say 5,000 bucks and an undertaking that the same wont be repeated, the same thing is done else where in the country
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Kashmir is Surrounded by Indian Army - No News paper published today(BBC News)
In Indian Administrated Kashmir on Thursday the situation is very tense, because of restrictions on media activities no newspaper published, normal life is suspended and two days against the military siege of several parts of Kashmir protest march continues.
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Why india banned all the media activities ? it means india don't want to show the real face to world.
this will happen when you crush people by power .. Kashmir will free inshALLAH very Soon..
Zulm Jab had se Bahrta ha tu Mit jata ha ..
In Indian Administrated Kashmir on Thursday the situation is very tense, because of restrictions on media activities no newspaper published, normal life is suspended and two days against the military siege of several parts of Kashmir protest march continues.
BBC urdu News Link
Why india banned all the media activities ? it means india don't want to show the real face to world.
this will happen when you crush people by power .. Kashmir will free inshALLAH very Soon..
Zulm Jab had se Bahrta ha tu Mit jata ha ..
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Why did you get that Idea of media restrictions, This news is being widely reported on Indian aswell as international media.
Whole of J&K will become part of India and we will kickout pak occupiers from Kashmir - Inshallah.
Please google around before posting.
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The issue of local media restrictions is very simple. If there is a local journalist, it is very easy for vested interests to silence him/her because of local equations and vulnerability to threats of life and limb.
National media from outside the valley makes arrangements for security, and are not that susceptible - the national media is reporting without any restrictions from the valley.
If the Hurriyat and its stooges can pay 300/- per head for stone pelting, and mobilize a mob through systematic payments, why, even have 'targets of martyrdom', it can easily manage local press. That is the reason for the downfall of local press in Kashmir valley.
It is a very asymmetric war to fight, because only one side is under obligations to follow rules.
National media from outside the valley makes arrangements for security, and are not that susceptible - the national media is reporting without any restrictions from the valley.
If the Hurriyat and its stooges can pay 300/- per head for stone pelting, and mobilize a mob through systematic payments, why, even have 'targets of martyrdom', it can easily manage local press. That is the reason for the downfall of local press in Kashmir valley.
It is a very asymmetric war to fight, because only one side is under obligations to follow rules.
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