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[gogbot]

i think you all dont know the full map of kashmir

and u need kashmir back only with india

I am inclined to agree.

Map of Kashmir from Pak supportive rupee news

Indian Occupied Kashmiris want Dogra state for Jammu Hindus Rupee News



Map of Pakistan



Supposed map of future Pakistan , from on-line warrior

What ever you want to say , India lost control of Aksai Chin in a Battle against China.

So Kashmir as it was can never be formed for a Muslims , as Part of it now belongs to China.

You simply have to accept the fact that Kashmir is a political squabble and as such there have to to be compromises , such as giving nearly 1/4 of Kashmir to China.

 

[UnitedPak]

What about the Marris and Mengals?

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precisely it was US vs USSR. Pakistan rode it's luck with somebody else. Opportunist.

I wont entertain your trolling attempts and derail the topic, but consider reading a book or two about the cold war.

 

[Aslan]

man grow up its not about sari duniya...its about owr neighbour on which u claim as your best friend ...
it touches our border
i think u cant accept truth

 

[JonAsad]

what is the situation of people of your own pakistan occupied kashmires have
what they want .

now mate for this issue you wana go back and forth .. but for aksai chin you have your mouth glued on only one conclusion... Hypocracy at its best

 

[truefriend]

now mate for this issue you wana go back and forth .. but for aksai chin you have your mouth glued on only one conclusion... Hypocracy at its best

u say a lot for muslims situation
tell me situation of muslime in china .... or your mouth glued????

 

[Materialistic]

Its all a troll, you guys are just bringing up reasons to keep twisting the things. Let others be out of situtation and we better talk about the things of concern. Indian members don't ask Pakistan about our stance on what is happening to muslims in China or any other place. You better take care of what is happening to them in India.

Even the Pakistani members here talk only about Muslims of Kashmir and not the Muslims belonging to India, their conditions only come into discussion as a counter fact when and where relevant and required. So this makes no sense that Pakistan is having any double standards or Pakistan needs to raise voice over China's internal affairs regarding Muslims.

Pakistan talks about kashmir because kashmiri people want to be part of Pakistan and India is sitting in their lands forcefully. If India was welcomed in any way then India had not sent 700,000 troops for 60+ years.

And even if as per Indian claims Pakistan was fueling freedom fighters in Kashmir and there was no such intent from kashmiris themselves then 60 years is a lot of time to put down such strategies. And Even if Pakistan did so then what ??? India DID THE SAME IN CASE OF BANGLADESH AND PROUDLY CLAIMS IT TOO.

Askai Chin!!!!! By the name, culture and heritage one can say that this was part of China and Is and should be Part of China, We are not running after others just to grab their lands.

How can Pakistan claim Tibetan people to be part of Pakistan, unlike India. We talk sense.

Regarding Trolls of Double Standard of Pakistan

This is not double standard this is something far higher then the mental approach of you people. Because all you know is to make excuses no matter how senseless and fight over things.

But this is our Honest and Rational approach towards the matter.

Every body in Asia knows that British messed up with our borders to keep us aimed at each other. They added Chinese bit to India and they din't let Kashmiris (the bit that was to go In Pakistan) an opportunity to show their opinion and kept them under Indian control.

Same they did with Askai Chin region and when we know that this region belonged to China then why cry over it !!!!!

Is there any cry in regions of Askai Chin or Azad Kashmir for freedom or any one ever asked for freedom even in a Whisper or any hint of people's wish to merge with India ????

In 1947 it was about where people want to live rather than where they belong to now. So even if they belonged to India on its self calims it makes no sense.
This is enough as a proof that WHO is claiming lands of its neighbours.

 

[FreekiN]

Aksai Chin is mainly uninhabitated. The population [if any] is dominated by Buddhists.

The region is almost uninhabited, has no permanent settlements, and receives little precipitation as the Himalayan and other mountains block the rains from the Indian monsoon.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

As pointed out, Aksai Chen is largely barren and unpopulated land, and Pakistan came to an agreement with China on the issue given that at the time Pakistan was in control of the land.

That agreement does state that in case of the implementation of the UNSC resolutions and a decision by the people of J&K to accede to India, China would open negotiations with India on the status of the land.

 

[third eye]

Reproduced below is article 6 of the treaty..

Article 6


The two parties have agreed that after the settlement of the Kashmir dispute between Pakistan and India, the sovereign authority concerned will reopen negotiations with the Government of the People’s Republic of China on the boundary as described in Article. Two of the present agreement, so as to sign a formal boundary treaty to replace the present agreement, provided that in the event of the sovereign authority being Pakistan, the provisions of the present agreement and of the aforesaid protocol shall be maintained in the formal boundary treaty to be signed between the People’s Republic of China and Pakistan.

The entire treaty is here :

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&so...mPiPBw&usg=AFQjCNFSBpBwPRMIkc5kGB97V5n89_fRlA

Its so simple to sign away something you never owned nor ever will !

Its like Mush's suggestion of dividing J&K !!

 

[haawk]

we resolved this dispute back in 1962 and agreed that Akshai Chin is an integral part of China thus we no longer have any border disputes with China and that laid the key foundations of friendship of Pakistan and China. Before we had recognized china but our relationships were not as trust worthy as they became after this dispute was peacefully resolved.

In simple words we think its a part of China and we have not claimed to be a disputed area

so the kashmiris whose freedom your nation is supposedly fighting for are fools .....and you can just give away their land to any one just because you wanna be friends with some one .....


its like stealing some one else candy and giving it to a stronger guy to make friends with him.....so that he may come to help you when you want to fight with a guy stronger than you.......

 

[Hyde]

so the kashmiris whose freedom your nation is supposedly fighting for are fools .....and you can just give away their land to any one just because you wanna be friends with some one .....


its like stealing some one else candy and giving it to a stronger guy to make friends with him.....so that he may come to help you when you want to fight with a guy stronger than you.......

I don't understand why some indians creating a fuss like MY KASHMIR MY KASHMIR - Please do not forget its a disputed area. I was giving my opinion as a nuteral person otherwise i wouldn't even want to see 1 inch of Kashmir going away from Pakistan. But i do know this matter is never going to be resolved if both or either sides are not going relent on this issue.

Kashmir is still a dispute area and we have every right to decide about its fate as much Indians claims to be and what really is there in Aksai Chin? ever bothered to read about Aksai chin?

@ Your question

Read my previous posts on page 1 and page 2

 

[JonAsad]

AgNoStIc MuSliM if you want to delete my posts fine.. but atleast also delete the question i was answering too.. Cheers

 

[Marxist]

Former Pakistan Foreign Minister Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri has revealed that India and Pakistan, through back-channel diplomacy, had evolved an 'interim' agreement on the Kashmir issue, and that it was subject to review after 15 years.

Kasuri said that both New Delhi and Islamabad, while working out the agreement, had realised that in view of the long standing dispute over Kashmir, none of the solutions that they evolve would resolve the issue, so the 'interim' agreement was the best possible solution available under circumstances at that time.

"We were aware of the fact that there would be an overwhelming support for this agreement; but we also realised that there would be criticism from some sections in Kashmir, Pakistan and India," Kasuri told The News, on the sidelines of 'Aman Ki Asha' - a joint peace initiative by the Jang Group of Pakistan and The Times of India.

He said it was decided that after the implementation of the said agreement, it would be monitored by all concerned parties, so that improvements could be made.

Kasuri claimed that both countries had conducted secret negotiations with all stakeholders because they wanted to avoid any spins or leaks, which could damage the level of trust between the parties.

"They could not have signed an agreement without authorisation from their respective cabinets and parliaments. The whole idea was to produce a draft which the governments of Pakistan and India felt would be acceptable to the large majority of Kashmiris, Pakistanis and Indians," he added

Referring to allegations from religio-political parties from across the border, that the proposed agreement was an attempt to sell out Kashmir, Kasuri said the basis of the agreement was the assumption that India and Pakistan had tried everything in their power to enforce their own versions of settlement on Kashmir issue.

"They have fought five wars, including two minor ones in the Rann of Katch and Kargil. There have been various mobilisations of troops, including the largest one since First World War (Operation Parakram), in which one million soldiers remained eyeball-to-eyeball for almost a year," he added.

Kasuri also noted that since both the neighbouring countries have acquired nuclear power, a full-scale war between them is nearly impossible.

Backing Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's statement that efforts were being made through the back-channel diplomacy to resolve all outstanding issues with India, the former foreign minister said it was important that negotiations be resumed because Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh's government with which Islamabad negotiated the arrangement was still in power.

"And the BJP the other majority party had started the process during the tenure of former Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee," he added. (ANI)

http://sify.com/news/india-pak-inte...rs-kasuri-news-international-ke2luedhihf.html

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=28528

 

[third eye]

Any agreement on J&K made by GOI which either does not formalise the existing positions or more will cause an uncontrollable uproar and play into the hands of the opposition.

 

[Stumper]

Any agreement on J&K made by GOI which either does not formalise the existing positions or more will cause an uncontrollable uproar and play into the hands of the opposition.

Not just uproar ..... congress would have gifted opposition a victory on platter. How do you explain a compromise to your joe's & jane's!

None the less , GoI should take the composite dialog further. Not engaging with a democratic government NOW might be a folly considering that it also has the backing of Pak's army leadership .