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[faisal4pro]

Close on the heels of US revelation about the deaths of American sponsored terrorists in Iraq , India has also come out with its shabby account of genocide in Kashmir under Indian continued occupation and destructive operations.
The killing of Kashmiri patriots, the so-called “terrorists” for India, by the security forces has gone up this year, while those of civilians has come down by over 50 per cent in Jammu and Kashmir bettering the overall security situation in the state.

Without explicitly revealing the total amount of Indian genocide in Kashmir, a latest report on the security situation in the state released by the police says as compared to 31 civilian deaths caused by the militants between January 1 to March 25, 2007, only 14 people were killed during the same period this year. This shows a fall in the civilian killing by over 50 per cent, the report said. It said there was an increase in the number of Kashmiri patriots killed this year as 60 of them were eliminated in 2008 as compared to 58 last year during the same period.

Civilian killings by security forces have registered a decline with only nine people being killed in counter state-sponsored terrorist and insurgency operations this year when compared to the last year's figure of 28, the report said. Besides these, only 14 security personnel were injured in 2008 as compared to 42 last year, while 83 Kashmiri patriots were arrested in 2008 as compared to 47 in 2007, it said.

As many as 12 Kashmiris patriots have been forced to lay down their weapons and surrendered before the police between January and March 15 this year as compared to last year. "There is also fall in the overall militancy graph of the state as against 177 militancy-related incidents last year, only 119 such incidents took place this year," the report said.

"This is the reflection of better coordination between security forces, round the clock vigilance, better sharing of intelligence inputs and cooperation of the general public in the state," Director General of Police said. He also lauded the role of the police in basic policing in the state by giving importance to other law and order problems apart for the state-sponosred terrorist counter insurgency operations.

The government has also instituted awards and would provide monetary benefits to the outstanding and deserving policemen who mercilessly kill the Kashmiris, whether they are civilians or patriots struggling for their sovereignty form terrorist India . The number of civilians injured in militancy-related incidents has fallen by over 55 per cent, as only 29 civilians were injured last year, the report said.


As is seen above, the account is not only confusing, but even misleading for the public. India is beating about the bush very skillfully without telling the whole truth about its nefarious activities in the heavily militarized Kashmir dealing the Kashmiris virtually under siege and many of them are under their custody.

One wonders what would happen to India if the authorities straight-forwardly announce the total number of murders of Kashmiris by the Indian state-sponsored terrorist activities. When they can mass-murder the innocent Kashmiri patriots, they could as well reveal the truth about the details operations so that public also has a view about the ghastly policy of the India and the nefarious activities of its forces occupying Kashmir shamelessly. India media would some-how mange the public opinion in favor of India and the pro-India Kashmiris would not let India suffer its image and prestige.

The timing of India disclosure of some facts about the genocide in Kashmir when USA also did almost same stating only the American causalities in Iraq gives rise to fresh hopes among the Kashmiri patriots about a possible vacation of India from Kashmir when USA pulls out itself from Iraq letting the Iraqis have their sovereignty back. Hopefully so! Meanwhile India should reveal its own account of about how many Kashmiris it managed to kill and displace physically in Kashmir alone since its annexation of Kashmir in 1947.

Abdul Ruff is an Indian analyst, researcher & commentator.
http://www.globalpolitician.com/24337-india-kashmir

 

[Mirage2000]

Good article but put the link from where you have taken it,Otherwise Indians will come denouncing,trolling,ranting and ridiculing,they would also say that Abdul Rauf is not Indian(well I dont know that either).However if link is posted the article will have more weight.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Where is the link or are you adding your own credentials to Abdul Ruff. No link and all you are doing is trolling

 

[criminal.justice]

Manipur which is known as ‘Jewel in the Crown’ or the “Land of Jewels” is burning. Curfew, bundhs, protests, hartal, blockades are common words and deeds too. Ever since a Delhi-based news portal `Tehlka’ published incriminating photographs showing a former militant being roughed up before he was shot by Manipur commandos in Imphal followed by the death of a pregnant woman Rubina in the crossfire, the State has not stopped making news. Despite the present situation and unrest in the state, I have no option but to stay here due to job compulsion. All my near and dear ones who are away from the state of Manipur and working in different cities have been worried and continuously inquiring about my well being. To calm their fears and anxiety, I tell them that `I am okay, but the condition is bad’.



Nancy (name changed), a friend from Manipur who is working in one of the IT companies in Delhi persistently rings me up enquiring about her aged parents and the sufferings at their `old age’ in the ‘new age’ problems of protests and bundhs. I remember, post 23 July incident, one night she gave me frantic calls and many a missed calls to find out about her parents I promised her that, I will visit her parents during the relaxed curfew hours (5-9 AM). Although she has two brothers, they are married and working outside Manipur due to lack of employment opportunities and corruption/bribery for any job. They had left their home town in 2004, in a similar situation as today. On completion of her studies, Nancy like her brothers, was also forced to move out of Imphal as she could not get any government job despite having the requisite qualification. She didn’t have enough money to bribe the higher-ups. She moved to Delhi and joined an IT software company as Front Office Girl. But within three years she became `Front Office & Lobby Manager’ through her hard work and commitment and not by bribing the higher -ups as prevalent in Manipur.


Women Are Only Visible Street Protestor


While Nancy is in Delhi, Manipur continues to burn. As in the past, the Manipuri women are the only visible street protestors. They are using every possible (known) strategy to oust Chief Minister, Mr. Ibobi Singh and repealing of the draconian law-Armed Forces Special Power Act. But nothing seems to be working. Women have used every imaginative symbols to capture the attention of the national and world audience. I recollect the ugly situation in 2004, when 13 naked women protested against Assam Rifles infront of Kanglafort at Imphal. This time too, women have again used the similar strategy but as a symbolic protest of making a sort of protective fence out of their phaneks (a sort of sarong worn by Meitei women). In other words it is an expression of outrage, a cry of desperation and their only way of showing; how naked and helpless they feel in the absence of a rule of law where justice doesn’t prevails.


A State, which has produced world famous Rajeev Gandhi Khel Ratna Award winner; Mary Kom, renowned dramatists like Ratan Thiyam and many sportspersons, with famous personalities and outstanding intellectuals could be a number one State amongst the other North Eastern states. Unfortunately, Manipur has become the top state in India, nay, the NE in terrorism and related activities. As per latest report, 36 insurgent groups are active in the state. Remorsefully, the State has become anarchic and unsafe. Those who can afford have moved out of the State, living in better conditions but (un) happy; unhappy thinking of their folks living in hell like condition.


Although Nancy is in Delhi, she too faces many problems there. In Manipur it is due to terrorist related problems. But in Delhi, it is identity crisis and survival. Most North easterners are referred to as `Chinkies’ and sarcastically as Hakka Noodles and girls from the region have to ward off from preying eyes. Whether it is Manipur or Delhi, safety & security is a major concern.


On one occasion I had the opportunity to interact with the young generations from Manipur and asked them a volley of questions. “Why they are not trying for jobs in Manipur? What are the compulsions for leaving their home and home town leaving behind their helpless parents? Are they happy being away?” They all looked at me as if I am an alien! Instantly and in unison they all said; “Don’t you know the situation created by various militant groups and police commandos? Don’t you know the corruption level in the State? Where is the job opportunity? Is there any multi-national company in the State? Don’t you know, out of 365 days in the year 200 days are bundhs and hartals? Do you think that we are happy being away from our own homes?”


Will Violence And Protests Bring Peace?


Having heard these replies in form of questions, I didn’t have any answer. I was left speechless. Many a proding questions came to my mind. Will continued killings, bombs blasts, bundhs, hartals, curfews, protest by women, JACs bring peace in Manipur ? No. If not, then what?


Even the Prime Minister of India has expressed his disdain at the CM’s utterances in the State Assembly that `Manipur has become ungovernable and to bring back a semblance of governance, some amount of ‘killing’ of the underground forces is inevitable’. He may be right up to some extent as PLA, Prepak & KCP (MC) are committing atrocities on the general public by carrying out grenade attacks, bombs, extortion and abduction for ransom. But wanton “killings of innocent people or surrendered militants by the state police commando cannot be any justification and is condemnable.


Those of us who watch the situation from a distance can only sympathise and agonise the sufferings and pain by our near and dear ones in Manipur. We cannot pretend to be `happy’ being away from Manipur. It is time to bring sanity in Manipur and other violence-impaired areas of the region through a network of peace builders who are not looking for personal and political gains but by those who will work for humanitarian reasons only. There is no happiness for the people of Manipur either in Manipur or else where in India (Un) happy : being away ?? Being away, is no solution.

 

[faisal4pro]

Link added!...........

 

[EjazR]

www.outlookindia.com | The Bogey Of UN Resolutions

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is on his Kashmir visit. This follows the peace initiative of home minister Chidambaram. Recently the home minister announced his intention to initiate a quiet dialogue for a Kashmir solution with all shades of opinion in that state. His suggestion was widely welcomed by various Kashmir leaders. Only the Hurriyat’s hard-line proponent Syed Ali Shah Geelani debunked the offer. "The statement of Chidambaram is meaningless unless India publicly admits the disputed nature of Kashmir and agrees on the tripartite talks aimed at giving right of self-determination to the people of Jammu and Kashmir," he said. He added that all the three parties - - India, Pakistan and Kashmiris -- should participate in the talks. They should, he said, aim to finalize implementation of the UN resolutions guaranteeing the right of self-determination to the people of Jammu and Kashmir.

Earlier on July 26th Geelani had said that if not UN resolutions the government should come forward with an "alternate solution" to the dispute that reflects the aspirations of the Kashmiri people. “The bottom line for a solution to the Kashmir solution is the United Nations resolutions but if New Delhi suggests an alternate solution that goes as per the wishes of the people, Kashmiris may consider it.” He urged Pakistan to stick to its stand regarding implementation of the UN resolutions as these were "the pillars of our case."

Geelani’s views deserve attention. Not only is he the most candid separatist leader who puts his cards on the table, he is also the biggest hurdle to achieving consensus among the separatist leaders.

What Geelani has said makes sense. One is not sure though if he realizes why what he has said makes sense. His criticism of the Indian government for periodically parroting the statement that there existed no Kashmir dispute is unexceptionable. It is rather ridiculous to claim that there is no Kashmir dispute when half the territory claimed by the Indian government is occupied by another nation which also claims the entire territory to be its own.

However it is the government’s stand on the UN resolutions on the Kashmir plebiscite that is most mystifying. The UN resolutions are the lynchpin of Geelani’s approach.

For over half a century the Indian government has adopted a negative and defensive posture on UN resolutions on the Kashmir plebiscite. Why? Nothing could be more favourable to India than these UN resolutions.

There have been 14 UN resolutions on Kashmir. The first was on 17 January, 1948 and the last on 21 December, 1971. Despite the periodic updating the core provisions of the original resolution remained intact. These were that all Pakistani troops and personnel must vacate the entire territory of Jammu and Kashmir; the state must revert to its original status before hostilities started; Indian troops may operate in the entire state until a state of normalcy is restored; after which Indian troops must also withdraw leaving only a token Indian force sufficient to maintain law and order; then, and only then, would a free and fair plebiscite be held under the aegis of the UN Commission appointed for the purpose; and in that said plebiscite the people of the state might vote for either joining India or Pakistan. In August 2006 Kofi Annan, then UN Secretary General, clarified while visiting Pakistan that UN resolutions on Kashmir were not under Chapter 7 of the UN charter and therefore not self-enforcing as they were on East Timor and Iraq. The UN Kashmir resolutions required the cooperation of both India and Pakistan for implementation.

Thus if in the future UN resolutions were to be implemented and a plebiscite was to be held according to its terms the following events would have to take place.

* First, all Pakistani troops would have to vacate Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.
* Second, Indian troops would have to occupy the whole of Kashmir until terrorism ends.
* Third, China would have to vacate the territory illegally ceded to it by Pakistan in order for Kashmir to revert to its original status before hostilities started in 1948.
* Fourth, if all these conditions get fulfilled the bulk of Indian troops would withdraw except for a token force to maintain law and order.
* Fifth, the plebiscite organized by the UN Commission would allow Kashmiris to choose joining either India or Pakistan . The option to choose independence would be denied to them.

Does anyone in his senses believe that Pakistan could fulfil even one precondition of the UN plebiscite without its government being overthrown by its own people? And yet, India through all these years has stoutly opposed these UN resolutions! Was this due to deliberate subversion or monumental stupidity?

However, Geelani has also welcomed any alternate solution by the government which reflects the aspirations of Kashmir people. What could that solution be except what I have been suggesting for decades? Let the different areas of Kashmir be allowed self- determination giving voters the right to choose India, Pakistan or independence. In order to avoid a repeat of aggression and war over Kashmir this would have to be accompanied by the precondition that India, Pakistan and Kashmir, whatever the status of Kashmir’s different parts, must be joined in a common community. Former President Musharraf had suggested something vaguely similar in spirit except for the all important provision that India and Pakistan must be members of a joint community. Minus this provision Musharraf’s plan became a non-starter. Today Pakistan grapples terrorism. It faces an identity crisis. It might be open to a more radical approach.

It is possible that Geelani and other Hurriyat leaders might also accept this plan. Geelani held a negative and rigid view when I suggested this plan to him in the company of Abdul Ghani Bhatt and Abbas Ansari over a decade ago in a Sundernagar guest house in New Delhi. Perhaps the implications of the UN resolutions had not dawned on him. Perhaps subsequent events after that meeting have led him to believe that the bulk of the people in the Valley would prefer independence to joining Pakistan.

The time for the Hurriyat leaders to come out of their closets and speak boldly and frankly has arrived. If they reflect they have little choice except this plan if they seek self determination. The Hurriyat leaders might recall that before he died Pandit Nehru with the help of Sheikh Abdullah attempted to make Kashmir the bridge between India and Pakistan. Nehru had realized his earlier mistakes. Will the Hurriyat?

 

[toxic_pus]

www.outlookindia.com | The Bogey Of UN Resolutions


Thus if in the future UN resolutions were to be implemented and a plebiscite was to be held according to its terms the following events would have to take place.

* First, all Pakistani troops would have to vacate Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.
* Second, Indian troops would have to occupy the whole of Kashmir until terrorism ends.
* Third, China would have to vacate the territory illegally ceded to it by Pakistan in order for Kashmir to revert to its original status before hostilities started in 1948.
* Fourth, if all these conditions get fulfilled the bulk of Indian troops would withdraw except for a token force to maintain law and order.
* Fifth, the plebiscite organized by the UN Commission would allow Kashmiris to choose joining either India or Pakistan . The option to choose independence would be denied to them.

Does anyone in his senses believe that Pakistan could fulfil even one precondition of the UN plebiscite without its government being overthrown by its own people?

I have always felt that the most damning part of UN resolutions, for Pakistan, was the unconditional withdrawal of tribals. It was strategically impossible for Pakistan to comply then, and logistically impossible now.

People who still think that UN resolutions and by implication, plebiscite, hold the solution to Kashmir quagmire, live in a world entirely detached from reality.

 

[logic]

Thus if in the future UN resolutions were to be implemented and a plebiscite was to be held according to its terms the following events would have to take place.

* First, all Pakistani troops would have to vacate Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.
* Second, Indian troops would have to occupy the whole of Kashmir until terrorism ends.
* Third, China would have to vacate the territory illegally ceded to it by Pakistan in order for Kashmir to revert to its original status before hostilities started in 1948.
* Fourth, if all these conditions get fulfilled the bulk of Indian troops would withdraw except for a token force to maintain law and order.
* Fifth, the plebiscite organized by the UN Commission would allow Kashmiris to choose joining either India or Pakistan . The option to choose independence would be denied to them.

Does anyone in his senses believe that Pakistan could fulfil even one precondition of the UN plebiscite without its government being overthrown by its own people? And yet, India through all these years has stoutly opposed these UN resolutions! Was this due to deliberate subversion or monumental stupidity?

De bunking the stupidity of Indian media.

Thus if in the future UN resolutions were to be implemented and a plebiscite was to be held according to its terms the following events would have to take place.

* First, all Indian troops would have to vacate Indian held Kashmir.

* Second, Pakistani troops would have to occupy the whole of Kashmir until Indian oppresion of Kashmir ends ends.

* Third, China would keep territory that is rightfuly belong to china

* Fourth, if all these conditions get fulfilled the bulk of Indian troops would withdraw except for a token UN force to maintain law and order.

* Fifth, the plebiscite organized by the UN Commission would allow Kashmiris to choose joining either India or Pakistan as well as the option to choose independence.

 

[EjazR]

@logic

Its not Indian media, its the the UN resolution requirements. And China was given J&K territory by Pakistan, It didn't belong to China.

Moreover, there are even US built bases in Gilgit that were used against the USSR. So in actual fact we have to take into account US military prescence as well along with Chinese and Pakistani military prescence.

There is no option for Independance, it was on Pakistan's insistence that it was removed. The options are only India or Pakistan.

Please read the UN resolutions before commenting

 

[logic]

@EjazR

Before Being a mouth piece for trigger happy Indian media i would suggest that you should read the orignal draft of UN resolutions before commenting.

Azad Kashmir is a part of Pakistan
China has a rightful possesion of its territories some are still being in illegal indian occupation.
It is Indian Help Kashmir where people are on the streets demanding justice.

 

[EjazR]

@logic

you seem to be replying more on an emotional/rhetorical basis than factual

The UN resolution clearly considres J&K in the state as it existed pre-1947. So yes China is illegally occupying Kashmiri territory. India or Pakistan may end up getting J&K but China has nor ight on any J&K land.

Please go through this thread http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmir-war/7904-kashmir-resolutions-explanations.html

 

[Omar1984]

Obama should deliver on Kashmir promise: Nawaz


* PML-N chief tells Hillary Pak-US relationship should be based on trust
* Praises Clinton’s efforts for increased US investment in Pakistan

LAHORE: US President Barack Obama should deliver on his campaign promise of addressing the Kashmir issue, Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz chief Nawaz Sharif told US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Thursday.

Nawaz said Obama had vowed that he would work towards promoting normalisation of ties between Pakistan and India and facilitating the resolution of the Kashmir issue. He said Obama’s proposition had been a “positive concept” that now needed to be given official shape.

He said the people of Pakistan would welcome such an objective, which would make a meaningful contribution for establishing peace in the region.

Nawaz stressed the need for establishing Pak-US relationship based on mutual trust and interest.

The PML-N chief said Pakistan had been an important friend and ally of the US and the two countries had cooperated on many important global issues in the past.

Nawaz applauded President Obama's policy of dialogue and engagement, especially with regard to the Muslim world, which he said would help foster understanding, reduce tensions and facilitate the resolution of regional and global issues.

He also praised Clinton for her efforts in bringing greater US investment to Pakistan, especially in the energy sector, saying these measures would not only strengthen the country's economy, but also foster a closer relationship between the two countries.

Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif, leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Nisar Ali Khan, Ishaq Dar and Khawaja Asif accompanied Nawaz in the meeting.

Clinton was accompanied by special envoy Richard Holbrooke, US Ambassador Anne Patterson and Assistant Secretary of State PG Crowel.

Earlier, Shahbaz welcomed Clinton to Lahore. This was Shahbaz’s second meeting with Clinton, the first being in Washington. app

 

[EjazR]

Thanks for mentioning Abdul Ruff (so called Indian scholar working at JNU). That helps in proving that this article is completely untrue and loses credibility.

Interestingly he doesn't even respond to emails, and if you Phone JNU you will find that there is no Abdul Ruff in JNU or check out their website even

 

[Bhushan]

Abdul Ruff is a fake name. If he is such a self proclaimed Specialist on State Terrorism and Research Scholar (JNU) how come there is not a single picture on net. He is some Pakistani using this name to write articles. How do I know he is a Pakistani? Well just checkout his signature under his articles.

Dr. Abdul Ruff Colachal
Independent Researcher in International Affairs,
The only Indian to have gone through entire India, a fraud and terror nation in South Asia .

Whither Pakistan ?- By Dr. Abdul Ruff Colachal - Wikio

 

[Bhushan]

atlast found his photo.

http://www.zimbio.com/member/abdulruff

check out his address

Personal Info
Dr.Abdul Ruff Colachal (Male)
Born on 10-May-77
Lives in New Delhi , USA 10005
Interests
reading, writing