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[kingdurgaking]

Its sad to see they are resorting to violence to students who are willing to learn and go to school instead of picking up stones from street and throwing around.

Yeah .. the terrorist group know that if they go to school then there wont be any future for them and no one will part away from india. As the kids will understand that India is better in all aspect

 

[Undivided Kashmir]

what more can be expected from this pak puppet but to serve his masters. He should be kicked out of India.

 

[Undivided Kashmir]

This idiot Gilani is ruining the life of the young kids, He want s to keep them uneducated so that he could use them as cannon fodder.

Uneducated youth will become his tools for his nefarious designs.

 

[brahmastra]

Actually, its good that gilaani said it. JKLF and other sister separatist organisations condemn him and said that they will never join pakistan and wants freedom from both India and pakistan.
People who want separation from India are getting confused what they are fighting for. And those separatist need to be clear to the people that what they are fighting for- Joining pak or complete freedom. Poll suggest that joining pak is the least favored option.

 

[civfanatic]

@civfanatic

What do you think about protestors, pelting stones and school buses? ISn't it a way of forcing people to join the protest rather than allowing them to choose freely? What would be your reaction if some school kid gets injured in this incident?

The concern of government to wards students is politically motivated otherwise they won't have killed more than 100 people mostly students , put thousands of students behind bars under draconian PSA (which allows govt to jail upto two years without trial ).The student community of Kashmir understood machinations of Govt and comprehended that this belated concern for their education is a ploy to disparage and marginalize Geelani sahib . The students in Kashmir realize that most of those who died have been students and infarct students have faced the worst repression by state .
It was crafty move by Govt to use the kids of bureaucrats ho study in elite schools of Kashmir and then use their media to propagate that people are defying Hurriyat . If some school kid got injured I would be sad but I would blame Govt for using a section of students to play its dirty politics

 

[EjazR]

@civfanatic

You didnt' answer my question. I completely understand that you have made up your mind that the government will always be wrong. The deaths were wrong and there are indications that atleast in some cases like the Anantnag cases investigations and conivtions may happen. The stone pelters arrested have also mostly been released on bail and according to media reports are under 100 that are still in custody and most of the are allegedly organisers of stone pelting mobs.

But what do you think about the protestors who are forcing people to follow the protest program. I can post more news articles from local Kashmiri people where this has happened. Maybe not widspread but cases where shopkeepers have been pelted at. Even cases where guests from Pakistani Kashmiri side had stones pelted at their buses.

So leave the government aside for a second. What do you think of these protestors? And shouldn't Kashmiris have the right to choose wether they will follow the protest program without being socially boycotted? Recall that Geelani has acutally said that don't indulge in stone pelting as well. And some of them then burned effigies of Geelani for saying that this was unIslamic and agreeing with Sahih Hadiths were the prophet had disliked this. Another hadith was where a sahabi had even stopped talking with his relative because of this.

Its not like the government is losing anything when kids don't go to school,or guests/family come on a bus from Pakistani side of the LoC.

 

[EjazR]

A balnced view from a Kashmiri paper

War for education

Govt has wrongly linked education with normalcy but Geelani stretched it too far. At a time when life in Kashmir still hangs by separatist calendars and curfew-breaks, the idea of selling the school activity as normalcy is preposterous. Doubly so was the egotist reaction from Syed Ali Geelani who surprisingly asked parents not to send their children to school.

While the government is wrongly linking education to normalcy, which should be the outcome of effective administration, Geelani is trying to showcase his support base by calling a boycott of schooling. However there are genuine questions that need be asked to the government. Was it possible for parents to see off their wards when even most of the minister’s colleagues were not able to send children to school? Even more crucial question is who would stick his neck out when some boys are shown on television burning down their books and saying Azadi would set right what may go wrong by longer breaks in education. An employee who has been hardly attending his duties for past months, at times beaten by cops, cannot be expected to herd his children to school and wring his hands in anxiety till they return. Majority of Kashmiris doubtless want the education to be kept out of separatist campaigns but they surely don’t want to be sandwiched between the war of wits that is going on between the government and the separatists. When the government remains afraid of the same people that voted it to power, the situation needs more than a kneejerk response. The ongoing turmoil is not a superficial trouble; it represents a deep seated conflict that is largely about the aspirations not grievances. Had it not been so, people would have stoned separatists for locking down schools for whole summer. Moreover, the democratic code demands wise moves from the government. Strict curfew, promise of security and the suggestion that the parents could stay with kids in schools is a louder recognition of law-and-order breakdown; in fact the law and order had been in disarray for past nearly four months. The government, therefore, should not jump over sterile ideas in order to bypass the right path. And the right path is to start an internal outreach process that would see people getting maximum relief in the form of soft policing, withdrawal of cases against students and political interactions with the youth. At the same time, the separatist leadership particularly S A Geelani too should not allow the his detractors in Delhi to drum up his calls as Talibanization. It is a fact that he asked people not to send their wards to school. This fact got splashed across world media. None in the world is bothered to dig deep and see why Geelani said so. He should not have allowed himself into a trap. While Geelani must remain cautious as he charts out his future course, the authorities in Srinagar must understand that Education is a fundamental right and the state government is constitutionally bound to ensure it by creating right conditions. Curiously, the government wants to create right conditions through resumption of class work even as the people still defy such efforts by shutdown and sporadic protests. For every conflict situation, Education like other social activities can follow normalcy, it cannot precede it. In its eagerness to show the separatists in bad light the government should not put the cart before the horse.

 

[civfanatic]

@civfanatic

You didnt' answer my question. I completely understand that you have made up your mind that the government will always be wrong. The deaths were wrong and there are indications that atleast in some cases like the Anantnag cases investigations and conivtions may happen.

But what do you think about the protestors who are forcing people to follow the protest program. I can post more news articles from local Kashmiri people where this has happened. Maybe not widspread but cases where shopkeepers have been pelted at. Even cases where guests from Pakistani Kashmiri side had stones pelted at their buses.

So leave the government aside for a second. What do you think of these protestors? And shouldn't Kashmiris have the right to choose wether they will follow the protest program without being socially boycotted? Recall that Geelani has acutally said that don't indulge in stone pelting as well. And some of them then burned effigies of Geelani for saying that this was unIslamic and agreeing with Sahih Hadiths were the prophet had disliked this. Another hadith was where a sahabi had even stopped talking with his relative because of this.

Its not like the government is losing anything when kids don't go to school,or guests/family come on a bus from Pakistani side of the LoC.

Yes Kashmiris should have right to follow protest programmes out of their own choice but the fact is that when Govt uses its power of disbursing patronage to create a minuscule minorties to thrawt the genuine protest of a whole population . Kashmiris have been protesting for four months for azzaadi during this time frame people have made tremendous sacrifices and now they won't allow a microscopic minority to disparage those sacrifices in grab of fake concern for education .

 

[civfanatic]

Geelani sahab on this Topic

 

[SpArK]

Pakistani militants 'hijacking' Kashmir cause
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By Zulfiqar Ali
BBC News, Islamabad

The JKLF is one of the oldest separatist groups in Indian-administered Kashmir



The Kashmiri separatist Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) has criticised Pakistani militants for "hijacking" its cause.

The JKLF - which wants Kashmir to be independent of Pakistan and India - said that they were "subverting the indigenous movement".

Its strongest criticism was for the Jamaat-ud Dawa (JD) charity.

Experts say that the JKLF's latest criticism of Pakistani-based militant groups is more strident than usual.

The row comes at a sensitive time in Indian-administered Kashmir, where more than 100 people have died in street protests since June.

Nationalist struggle

The JD charity is believed to be the parent organisation of the Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group.

Lashkar has been at the forefront of the armed insurgency in Indian-administered Kashmir in recent years and wants the territory to become part of Pakistan.


The JKLF statement was made as the JD launches a three-day mass contact drive across Pakistan-administered Kashmir to "raise awareness about the latest agitation in Indian-administered Kashmir".

The JKLF leadership is concerned that its cause is hijacked



The JKLF started the insurgency in Indian-administered Kashmir in the late 1980s.

Its leaders have since admitted they were then supported by the Pakistani government which trained their militant wing.


But the JKLF says that the Pakistanis changed their mind and introduced pro-Pakistan groups, such as Jamaat-e-Islami's affiliate, Hizbul Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Harkatul Mujahideen and other groups.

It says these groups not only fought Indians but also persecuted JKLF activists.

A JD spokesman, Yahya Mujahid, told the BBC on Monday that about 3,500 people have joined a JD caravan that will travel from Mirpur to Muzaffarabad in Pakistan-administered Kashmir and then hold a rally in Islamabad on Wednesday.

Witnesses and officials say local Kashmiri participants in the march are few - most are non-locals from different areas of Pakistan.

The JKLF has often accused pro-Pakistan groups of turning a legitimate nationalist struggle of the Kashmiri people into an Islamic terrorist movement, thereby undermining the movement's credibility.

A JKLF statement says that the JD campaign "will sabotage the Kashmiris' spontaneous movement once again, and provide propaganda material to the Indian government to defame and suppress the Kashmiri people's movement for national liberation".


BBC News - Pakistani militants 'hijacking' Kashmir cause

 

[EjazR]

So what I understand is that you think those protestors who are pelting stones or preventing kids from going to school are wrong, but it may happen because these protestors feel that these who go to school or whose parents send their kids to school are not appreciative of the "azadi struggle"?

I think that is foolhardy if you think that. And I would be surprised if the govt. actually belives that just by having kids going to school and colleges the problem will be solved.

Why fall into the "trap" of being shown as trying to keep Kashmiris illietrate so as to have easy control over them by opposing education in the first place? How can Geelani or the protestors be afraid that the same youth who took part in protests will now "betray" them by going to school? Its not going to reduce the sentiment just because they are going to school.

They can still have the regular protest calendars on weekends or school holidays or inother forms.

 

[muse]

The Indian response in captive Kashmir is nothing shorty of absolutely fascinating and instructive - they have tried so many things, malign the movement by conflating it with radical Islamism, de-legitimize the movement by attacking the leadership, attacking the protesters, attacking the organizers, mobilize media internationally

And yet it isn't taking - what gives?

 

[EjazR]

Its JKLF that is making these statements on BBC. Where is India coming from?

 

[SpArK]

Demonstration in Srinagar against Pakistan’s Gilgit-Baltistan Package

 

[EjazR]

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