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i was talking about the official Government stand
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Arundhati Roy, Indian novelist and human rights activist, speaks in a Pakistani show and says international community needs to intervene in Kashmir (She speaks in the 3rd video Dunya TV-POLICY MATTERS-15-09-2010-3).
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Revoke Disturbed Areas in Kashmir towns: CPI-M
New Delhi, Sep 16 (IANS) Pointing to excesses by security forces, Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) leader Prakash Karat has sought the revocation of Disturbed Areas in Srinagar and other urban centres in the Kashmir Valley.
“Given the sharp decrease in the levels of militant violence, there should be a reduction in the deployment of the army and the security forces proportionately,” Karat said at an all-party meeting on Kashmir convened here Wednesday by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
“Here the question of the continuance of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) arises,” he said, referring to a legislation that gives sweeping powers to security forces and which many in the Kashmir Valley say should go.
“The army is not deployed or in use in Srinagar and other cities. Pending the question of amending AFSPA or the future of this act, what we suggest is that the Disturbed Areas proclamation be revoked from Srinagar and other urban centres.
“This will make the AFSPA redundant in these areas… The armed forces are conducting an arduous and difficult task and their work has to be concentrated on checking infiltration (militants) from across the border,” he said.
“The real issue is about the accountability of the security forces” Karat added. “There have been excesses and violations of human rights… Without firm action, we cannot instil any faith in the (Kashmiri) people.”
The CPI-M released the text of Karat’s speech Thursday.
The Marxist pointed out that many of the 90 people killed in firing by security forces in the Kashmir Valley since June 11 were aged between nine and 25 years.
“Repeated police firings and every death has further aggravated the situation,” he said. “There was no justification for this brutal policing methods.”
He said that there had to be a political approach to the Kashmir problem. “There can be no solution by just deploying the security forces to suppress such protests.”
Karat demanded that many of the young boys in jail should be released if they were not facing serious charges. “Juveniles should not be kept in prisons.”
He said many had been permanently incapacitated in firing. “The government should announce a specific package for relief for these people and also for the sustenance and livelihood of their families.”
Karat said when he went to Srinagar in August, many asked him why the Indian parliament showed no great concern over the killing of such a large number of people in the Kashmir Valley.
“In parliament, there was an uproar when three people died in police firing near Aligarh. They asked, why is parliament quiet about the happenings in the valley?”
New Delhi, Sep 16 (IANS) Pointing to excesses by security forces, Communist Party of India-Marxist (CPI-M) leader Prakash Karat has sought the revocation of Disturbed Areas in Srinagar and other urban centres in the Kashmir Valley.
“Given the sharp decrease in the levels of militant violence, there should be a reduction in the deployment of the army and the security forces proportionately,” Karat said at an all-party meeting on Kashmir convened here Wednesday by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
“Here the question of the continuance of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) arises,” he said, referring to a legislation that gives sweeping powers to security forces and which many in the Kashmir Valley say should go.
“The army is not deployed or in use in Srinagar and other cities. Pending the question of amending AFSPA or the future of this act, what we suggest is that the Disturbed Areas proclamation be revoked from Srinagar and other urban centres.
“This will make the AFSPA redundant in these areas… The armed forces are conducting an arduous and difficult task and their work has to be concentrated on checking infiltration (militants) from across the border,” he said.
“The real issue is about the accountability of the security forces” Karat added. “There have been excesses and violations of human rights… Without firm action, we cannot instil any faith in the (Kashmiri) people.”
The CPI-M released the text of Karat’s speech Thursday.
The Marxist pointed out that many of the 90 people killed in firing by security forces in the Kashmir Valley since June 11 were aged between nine and 25 years.
“Repeated police firings and every death has further aggravated the situation,” he said. “There was no justification for this brutal policing methods.”
He said that there had to be a political approach to the Kashmir problem. “There can be no solution by just deploying the security forces to suppress such protests.”
Karat demanded that many of the young boys in jail should be released if they were not facing serious charges. “Juveniles should not be kept in prisons.”
He said many had been permanently incapacitated in firing. “The government should announce a specific package for relief for these people and also for the sustenance and livelihood of their families.”
Karat said when he went to Srinagar in August, many asked him why the Indian parliament showed no great concern over the killing of such a large number of people in the Kashmir Valley.
“In parliament, there was an uproar when three people died in police firing near Aligarh. They asked, why is parliament quiet about the happenings in the valley?”
Kashmir delegation
Notwithstanding the unimpressive outcome of the prime minister’s all party meeting on Wednesday, the proposed visit to Valley by an all-party delegation should not be allowed to go waste. From Delhi end, those organizing the tour will have to move beyond the worn-out model of visiting a troubled state.
The visit will have to focus on people rather than the political elite of Kashmir. In past, the model of such assessment tours has been all about coming here, enjoying the luxurious state hospitality and talking to the government functionaries on the sidelines. This has to change if the delegation really wants to gain a brighter understanding of the ground realities. Meeting local mainstream players or reopening the channels of communication with the separatist forces in Valley is crucial to any goodwill visit, but it is also imperative that the visiting delegation also listens to the people. That is possible only if the upcoming tour is conducted as per a dynamic prescription rather than a beaten track. Going back with a firsthand account is what should be the primary agenda of the visitors. To achieve the desired results, they should bypass the secondhand sources and directly reach out to the people. They should meet representatives of small and big trades; they should get to know how the educated professionals feel; they should interact with victims, doctors and video journalists who are eyewitness to what has been happening on ground. Before they embark on this challenging task of reading the Kashmiri mind, the participants of the all party delegation must remember that a dozen or so careerists who want to worm their way into the corridors of power does not constitute Kashmir’s civil society. Every right thinking person, every concerned citizen who has a bit of articulation represents the civil society. In order to achieve maximum out of this effort, the visitors will have to invest all the resources at their disposal to reach out to the right people. On the other hand, Kashmir’s civil society should not shy away from talking to whoever comes from Delhi to assess the situation. If the right people stay away, the wrong people will talk, and give them a tailor-made version. Whether sending an all party delegation is really a well thought out, sincere step, or yet again a time-buying tactic, is a question that needs answer. And the correct answer to this crucial question could be found out only if those coming are briefed correctly. Kashmir situation, it must be noted, is no longer a puzzle. People on streets want Azadi. Similarly, people are no longer unaware of Indian position; India won’t give Azadi. The real challenge is to find out how much can calm down those who brave bullets for Azadi. If the delegation wants to discover an acceptable solution, it needs to set out for the blood-soaked Valley, not just prepared but with open mind.
Notwithstanding the unimpressive outcome of the prime minister’s all party meeting on Wednesday, the proposed visit to Valley by an all-party delegation should not be allowed to go waste. From Delhi end, those organizing the tour will have to move beyond the worn-out model of visiting a troubled state.
The visit will have to focus on people rather than the political elite of Kashmir. In past, the model of such assessment tours has been all about coming here, enjoying the luxurious state hospitality and talking to the government functionaries on the sidelines. This has to change if the delegation really wants to gain a brighter understanding of the ground realities. Meeting local mainstream players or reopening the channels of communication with the separatist forces in Valley is crucial to any goodwill visit, but it is also imperative that the visiting delegation also listens to the people. That is possible only if the upcoming tour is conducted as per a dynamic prescription rather than a beaten track. Going back with a firsthand account is what should be the primary agenda of the visitors. To achieve the desired results, they should bypass the secondhand sources and directly reach out to the people. They should meet representatives of small and big trades; they should get to know how the educated professionals feel; they should interact with victims, doctors and video journalists who are eyewitness to what has been happening on ground. Before they embark on this challenging task of reading the Kashmiri mind, the participants of the all party delegation must remember that a dozen or so careerists who want to worm their way into the corridors of power does not constitute Kashmir’s civil society. Every right thinking person, every concerned citizen who has a bit of articulation represents the civil society. In order to achieve maximum out of this effort, the visitors will have to invest all the resources at their disposal to reach out to the right people. On the other hand, Kashmir’s civil society should not shy away from talking to whoever comes from Delhi to assess the situation. If the right people stay away, the wrong people will talk, and give them a tailor-made version. Whether sending an all party delegation is really a well thought out, sincere step, or yet again a time-buying tactic, is a question that needs answer. And the correct answer to this crucial question could be found out only if those coming are briefed correctly. Kashmir situation, it must be noted, is no longer a puzzle. People on streets want Azadi. Similarly, people are no longer unaware of Indian position; India won’t give Azadi. The real challenge is to find out how much can calm down those who brave bullets for Azadi. If the delegation wants to discover an acceptable solution, it needs to set out for the blood-soaked Valley, not just prepared but with open mind.
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It's quite obvious that Kashmiri's are angry and don't even want to be considered a part of india. They keep up these sort of violent protests and soon the Indian Govt. might start dumping them across the border to the land of honey and milk.
Cause it's a the valley that belongs to india, the people who don't want to live with india are free to go wherever they want, it's a matter of basic human right and choices, a person can live wherever he wants.
Cause it's a the valley that belongs to india, the people who don't want to live with india are free to go wherever they want, it's a matter of basic human right and choices, a person can live wherever he wants.
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These steps would definitely have more effect than yesterdays held all parties conference. On the other hand it is good he is showing concern for Kashmiris in IOK. He is also a Kashmiri.
When? When all the protesters have gone home after running out of steam?
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When? When all the protesters have gone home after running out of steam?
Nobody has gone home the death toll has reached 90. And the situation is still worst.
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JAMMU, Sep 15: Amid frenzied atmosphere across the state and elsewhere, the members of civil society of Jammu, cutting across party and religious affiliations, today took out a peace march to soothe the frayed nerves and also to spread a message of peace and communal harmony.
The peace march was aimed at snubbing the alleged act of a lunatic in United States of America (USA) to desecrate the holy Quran in a bid to create a wedge between the two communities.
Besides holding the peace march, the winter capital of the state also showed the way as how such outrageous acts should be treated with desired contempt and the ideal way is to present a united face.
As a part of two-pronged strategy, in the peace march the members of all communities participated unequivocally condemning the alleged act of desecration and thus not allowing the fanatics to dominate the saner voices at this crucial hour.
On the other hand, the representatives of Christian and Muslim communities also addressed a joint press conference wherein the Christians condemned the illogical and nasty threat made by Florida Pastor to burn holy Quran, which fortunately later he withdrew. In the same press Muslims of Jammu, while condemning the acts of violence in Kashmir and some parts of the state against Christians, assured full support and protection to them.
Commenting upon the incidents of violence in various parts of the state in reaction to alleged desecration act in USA, the leaders of Muslim and Christian communities on Wednesday urged the people to maintain communal harmony, amity and brotherhood.
From Muslims side came the assurance to Christians, There is no need to feel insecure.
The peace march, which started from Shaheedi Chowk after passing though different markets of the city, culminated outside Raj Bhawan.
The participants were raising slogans for maintaining communal harmony and brotherhood in the region.
Prominent among the others who participated in peace march included NC provincial president Rattan Lal Gupta, president Chamber of Commerce YV Sharma, S Peter, Feastus Sotra, SM Gill, Rev. Sohan Lal, Shokat Peter and President BAR Association Jammu Sunil Sethi.
Earlier Jammu and Kashmir Joint Churches Fellowship Jammu and Muslim organizations in a joint meeting resolved to maintain peace and communal harmony in the state. The members of both the communities agreed that they wont allow the miscreants to create any disturbance and appealed the people belonging to both the communities not to fall prey to the rumours. Ex MLC SM Gill, Rev Issac Bhatti, Pastor Robin Bhatti, Feastus Sotra besides other attended the meeting.
Following it, a joint press conference was organized wherein the vice-president, Jammu and Kashmir Joint Churches Fellowship, Rev Sohan Lal while condemning the threat made by Florida Pastor to burn holy Quran asserted that the Christians across the world disagreed with such unwise decision.
He maintained, To desecrate any religious book is totally unacceptable in a civilized society and Christians of state strongly condemn such type of acts. People should not pay any heed to the rumours as some anti-social elements are hell bent to disrupt the secular fabric in Jammu and Kashmir. He appealed both the communities to strengthen secularism and maintain communal harmony.
The Muslim Action Committee (MAC) president, Abdul Sharief Sartaj while condemning the alleged act of desecration of holy Quran asserted that Christians of Jammu and Kashmir had nothing to do with the announcement of Florida Pastor.
He also condemned the incidents in Kashmir Valley where Christian institutions were disrespected and appealed the Muslim community to maintain sanctity of age-old brotherhood and communal harmony in Jammu and Kashmir.
He stated, The protest to resent any disrespect to religion was the right of Muslims but it should be peaceful and not against any religion and community.
Sartaz however demanded stern action against Florida Pastor who had made such a despicable announcement which had serious repercussions in the entire world.
He also warned both the communities against rumour mongers.
The members of both the communities had held a meeting yesterday also to give a message of communal harmony and brotherhood.
JAMMU, Sep 15: Amid frenzied atmosphere across the state and elsewhere, the members of civil society of Jammu, cutting across party and religious affiliations, today took out a peace march to soothe the frayed nerves and also to spread a message of peace and communal harmony.
The peace march was aimed at snubbing the alleged act of a lunatic in United States of America (USA) to desecrate the holy Quran in a bid to create a wedge between the two communities.
Besides holding the peace march, the winter capital of the state also showed the way as how such outrageous acts should be treated with desired contempt and the ideal way is to present a united face.
As a part of two-pronged strategy, in the peace march the members of all communities participated unequivocally condemning the alleged act of desecration and thus not allowing the fanatics to dominate the saner voices at this crucial hour.
On the other hand, the representatives of Christian and Muslim communities also addressed a joint press conference wherein the Christians condemned the illogical and nasty threat made by Florida Pastor to burn holy Quran, which fortunately later he withdrew. In the same press Muslims of Jammu, while condemning the acts of violence in Kashmir and some parts of the state against Christians, assured full support and protection to them.
Commenting upon the incidents of violence in various parts of the state in reaction to alleged desecration act in USA, the leaders of Muslim and Christian communities on Wednesday urged the people to maintain communal harmony, amity and brotherhood.
From Muslims side came the assurance to Christians, There is no need to feel insecure.
The peace march, which started from Shaheedi Chowk after passing though different markets of the city, culminated outside Raj Bhawan.
The participants were raising slogans for maintaining communal harmony and brotherhood in the region.
Prominent among the others who participated in peace march included NC provincial president Rattan Lal Gupta, president Chamber of Commerce YV Sharma, S Peter, Feastus Sotra, SM Gill, Rev. Sohan Lal, Shokat Peter and President BAR Association Jammu Sunil Sethi.
Earlier Jammu and Kashmir Joint Churches Fellowship Jammu and Muslim organizations in a joint meeting resolved to maintain peace and communal harmony in the state. The members of both the communities agreed that they wont allow the miscreants to create any disturbance and appealed the people belonging to both the communities not to fall prey to the rumours. Ex MLC SM Gill, Rev Issac Bhatti, Pastor Robin Bhatti, Feastus Sotra besides other attended the meeting.
Following it, a joint press conference was organized wherein the vice-president, Jammu and Kashmir Joint Churches Fellowship, Rev Sohan Lal while condemning the threat made by Florida Pastor to burn holy Quran asserted that the Christians across the world disagreed with such unwise decision.
He maintained, To desecrate any religious book is totally unacceptable in a civilized society and Christians of state strongly condemn such type of acts. People should not pay any heed to the rumours as some anti-social elements are hell bent to disrupt the secular fabric in Jammu and Kashmir. He appealed both the communities to strengthen secularism and maintain communal harmony.
The Muslim Action Committee (MAC) president, Abdul Sharief Sartaj while condemning the alleged act of desecration of holy Quran asserted that Christians of Jammu and Kashmir had nothing to do with the announcement of Florida Pastor.
He also condemned the incidents in Kashmir Valley where Christian institutions were disrespected and appealed the Muslim community to maintain sanctity of age-old brotherhood and communal harmony in Jammu and Kashmir.
He stated, The protest to resent any disrespect to religion was the right of Muslims but it should be peaceful and not against any religion and community.
Sartaz however demanded stern action against Florida Pastor who had made such a despicable announcement which had serious repercussions in the entire world.
He also warned both the communities against rumour mongers.
The members of both the communities had held a meeting yesterday also to give a message of communal harmony and brotherhood.
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That's a contradiction. See, the people of Kashmir see Kashmir as their own land. They want to live there- however, they don't want to be with India (they have their own reasons). So the only answer is to break off Kashmir. Why would they want to move out if they want to live in Kashmir? No, they will fight for independence. Also, note that "Dumping them across the border to the land of honey and milk" is actually not okay. You are showing that you just want a piece of land that the Kashmiris see as their own- after all, it has a Muslim majority (i.e. wasn't supposed to go to India).
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please elaborate.....even human rights groups in hindustan are rallying against the occupational forces (the sissies) demanding an end to their iron fist tactics against Kashmiris
I would warn you not to make the mistake of thinking Pakistanis (govt. or civilians) view the protestors as terrorists
the issue here is more than just protestors exercising a democratic right; the issue is the more macro one --> india fails to adhere to the Kashmiri peoples right to self determination. It's a very artificial arrangement that can only be enforced using guns, teargas, laathi and rubber bullets.
the more Kashmiris the security forces and police (sissies) kill in cold blood, the more people will mobilize and engage in protest and civil disobedience
the youth are the future generation. They arent robots. They deplore hindustany occupation and are openly expressing their resentment.
what more can you do than what you are already doing? The sissies are already using live ammunition into large crowds.
SWAT is not disputed territory. The conflict was over masses (and Armed Forces) eradicating miscreants who had captured the valley and tried to impose their will. The problem is largely solved, and Swat is back to normalcy.
Kashmir is a disputed territory. There is no foreign meddling in ioK --as many residents there have proclaimed. Purely a local, Kashmiri phenomenon.
the Kashmiri locals are demanding an end to hindustany occupation
to them, the occupational forces (the sissies) are like the local taleban......using the AFSPA they can even enter peoples' homes without search warrant, they can detain youth, in fact they even are intimidating journalists and facebook users....
very democratic behaviour
it'll come back to bite you; the more you kill, the more enemies you will (are) creating
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oye! Singh saab!
first of all, it isnt wishful thinking. It's only ''wishful'' to the hindustanys who keep crying nonsense about the so-called ''pandits'' who ran away from the valley for economic reasons --next door to hindustan.
Based on status quo, hold a referendum. Quit making up non-issues over the militancy; it would be ended once the area is de-militarized and hindustans stops its state practice of aggression, suppression and **** of Kashmir (the land & people)
as for Pakistan and your ancestors, they were more than welcome to stay but on their own they fled. We have Sikhs living in Pakistan and they are doing just fine. Every year your khatris come to our land and they are received well, and enjoy our world famous hospitality.
Lahore is indeed a magical and wonderful city. You should plan to make the holy pilgrimage sometime. You'll NEVER want to go back
Azad J&K is not seeing the uprising that is being seen on hindustany side. But to answer your question, please first familiarize yourself with Pakistan's clearly stated policy on Kashmir.
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This itself shows how much well versed you are with Kashmir politics...Anyways not your fault...Hawks from both sides never let negative sentiments reach their side if they are responsible for it....
However if you are an intellect and understand geo-politics and how things work then i am sure you can find out that plebiscite is nothing but wishful thinking...I would like to bring your attention to the event when we were close to solving Kashmir i.e. 2003-2007, there was no mention of plebiscite in that formulae either....So your choice whether you want to close you eyes and keep thinking about plebisicte or get a reality check and focus on what is possible....
Sorry but your one sided and utterly biased option has been outright rejected many times....The solution is quit sponsoring terrorism and come to dialogue table with open mind.....
So you missed the whole bloody point, don't you??? Was plebiscite held to ask where they wanted to live(same is true for Muslims on this side)....My great grandfather was this close to shoot my grandmother and her 4 sisters had mobs turned towards them...So lets not indulge into nonsense comments...
The truth is many people on both sides did not want to leave but had to fled or else risk their lives....No refrendum was help to find out what people want and their representative's(politicians) took decision on their behalfs....Similarly decision was taken for Kashmir by the caretaker...Now the only reason referemdum is considered because our PM promised it btu on certain conditions...Those conditions were never fulfilled and i hold both sides responsible for it....In today's world that thing is not possible...This is ground reality and you or I cannot change it...So better we all get a reality check and see what else can be a viable solution...Otherwise we can keep fighting for eternity and the people for whom we are fighting will keep suffering....
Almost 2-3 months of unrest, 80 odd people dead and yet not a single international statement on this issue tells that Kashmir is an internal issue.....Arm struggle is not possible b/w Pak and India so not sure how else can India be forced to do what Pak wants...In short reality check is the need of hour....Rest your choice....
No doubt about it...Whatever i heard from my grandpa you are absolutely correct....Lahore is indeed a magical and wonderful city. You should plan to make the holy pilgrimage sometime. You'll NEVER want to go back
Don't want to derail further about affairs of P-O-K but we have to deal with some meddling from your side as well...Anyways if you are talking about official stand of Pakistan then let me share with you official stand of India - "J&K is integral part of India"....In other words if i want to be rigid, the message is the state is integral part of India, period....Now will there be anything left to talk???? So better come out of your official stand of Pakistan syndrome and talk, otherwise i am afraid there is not much to talk, no????
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